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Quote By Catpealer:
Saying they're fine manufacturers is far from saying they're top of the line. I know that my RIA is bottom of the barrel as far as 1911s go and I'm not trying to make them out to be more than they are. For just a plinker they can't be beat.
My statement:
I have never said anything different than this! They are bgreat out of the box shooters that I would put up against the likes of any top dollar manufacturer for an out of the box shooter!
No, they are not a top competition out of the box gun by any means!
But I carry a gun to defend myself and not to gaurentee an X ring shot everytime I pull the trigger![;)][;)][;)][;)][;)]
Saying they're fine manufacturers is far from saying they're top of the line. I know that my RIA is bottom of the barrel as far as 1911s go and I'm not trying to make them out to be more than they are. For just a plinker they can't be beat.
My statement:
I have never said anything different than this! They are bgreat out of the box shooters that I would put up against the likes of any top dollar manufacturer for an out of the box shooter!
No, they are not a top competition out of the box gun by any means!
But I carry a gun to defend myself and not to gaurentee an X ring shot everytime I pull the trigger![;)][;)][;)][;)][;)]
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lets just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. shall we, GENTLEMAN?
ive never understood the logic of starting a new thread after one gets locked, especially minutes later. it was locked because someone thought it was getting out of hand. the emotions churned up havent died down yet. so whats the point.
lets just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. shall we, GENTLEMAN?
That would make too much sense
I will not buy SA products now, or at any time in the future because I disapprove of the unethical way the owners do business. I know nothing about the quality of SA guns because I do not and never will own one.
The RIAs are OK for what they are. They are not finely finished but they seem to function just fine. I have one in 38 Super and it's OK.
A good friend has a Kimber and it's nice. But when you make Colt the cheaper one by comparison, you are really charging an arm and a leg.
I have had maybe a dozen genuine Colt 1911s over the years. I currently own three. Colt is the original 1911 and I think in a price versus quality comparison the Colts come out at or near the top as good values.
I don't want "colt like" or "just like a Colt" I want a Colt.
You are free to buy what pleases you.
What I don't understand is why we can't have a rational discussion on the merits of various 1911 models without resorting to insults and name-calling.
My first 1911 bought new 2/73.
A Gold Cup that I bought to replace the one stolen in 1986.
A Series '70 Super.
The RIA Super (left, pictured with the Colt Super). Not as nice as the Colts but for the $350 I paid for it, a helluva gun.
And my Dolt. A Daly lower with a Colt .22 upper. Works great. Only one of my 1911s with faux stocks. All the rest are genuine ivory.
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It appears that you and many others don't realize that the first Colt 1911s were "sloppy" rattle traps to assure 100% reliability in COMBAT. The 1911 was designed to be a SIDEARM for Officers who fought at arms length with a Sword in one hand and a Colt in the other. I have to believe that if your RIA has fired as many rounds without a single stoppage as you say, it has to be built loose.
The fact that your pistol goes "bang" when you pull the trigger has no bearing on the "quality" , nor the materials, heat treat, components, etc of said pistol.
I'm glad you are happy with your RIA and I'm sure RIA is happy you have spent more on your "collection" then the cost of a brace of genuine Colts, however, a RIA is a cheap, inexpensive substitute for 1911 built to original specs. Nothing more and nothing less.
GRD - I find your statement "But I carry a gun to defend myself and not to gaurentee an X ring shot everytime I pull the trigger!" to be a contradiction. If you can't hit "x ring" (center mass) from 7 yards or less (personal protection distance) you and/or your pistol leave a lot to be desired.
It appears that you and many others don't realize that the first Colt 1911s were "sloppy" rattle traps to assure 100% reliability in COMBAT. The 1911 was designed to be a SIDEARM for Officers who fought at arms length with a Sword in one hand and a Colt in the other. I have to believe that if your RIA has fired as many rounds without a single stoppage as you say, it has to be built loose.
The fact that your pistol goes "bang" when you pull the trigger has no bearing on the "quality" , nor the materials, heat treat, components, etc of said pistol.
I'm glad you are happy with your RIA and I'm sure RIA is happy you have spent more on your "collection" then the cost of a brace of genuine Colts, however, a RIA is a cheap, inexpensive substitute for 1911 built to original specs. Nothing more and nothing less.
My statement kinda came out wrong when I posted that (alcohol probly had a little to do with that).
All I was trying to say is that I was never looking to get a high end competition type 1911 when I bought mine. Yes I do want reasonable accuracy and I do get that with my RIA's. I can hit the X ring with pretty good consistancy out to 25 yards.
I also have redone one of my RIA's to be as accurate as most any of the high end competition 1911's on the market (I did this by rebuilding it useing all Wilson parts) and still have less money into that gun than an entry level Colt.
I can understand peoples thoughts as far as wanting to stay with the original (and I will not put them down for thier thinking that way) and such but I personally want the dependability for a good price and I have found that with the RIA brand.
On the other hand, I am sure than none of my carry guns will chew out the X at 50 yards and they don't need to. "Minute of felon" is all I need in a carry gun.
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7 yards isn't much of a test. I think any gun short of a total piece of junk will be accurate enough at 7 yards.
On the other hand, I am sure than none of my carry guns will chew out the X at 50 yards and they don't need to. "Minute of felon" is all I need in a carry gun.
Ahhh, you missed the point. "Saber" distance is closer then 7 yards. "We" need to remember what the original 1911 was designed for. JMB didn't design it for the National Matches!
Saxon - do you really think you will get in a "personal protection" gun battle at 25 yards? Doubtful.
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Years ago SA filed for bankruptcy and screwed investors out of money owed them. At the liquidation auction, SA bought its own equipment for a pittance, moved a couple miles down the road, and reopened free of debt after having cheated investors out of their money.
I did not know that, thanks for the info. However if you look at Chaoslodge's "Debtors" thread, seems some think there's nothing at all wrong with that type of behavior.
The 1911 was designed to be a SIDEARM for Officers who fought at arms length with a Sword in one hand and a Colt in the other.
coooooool!
Even a WW I issue 1911 will easily stay in the K zone at 7 years. With a good shooter 25 isn't much of a problem.
Beyond that and I want a rifle.
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I DO!!!!!
Gunshop has an indoor range and I got free time w/purchase. Shot at picture target of a terrorist at both middle and max range. (my 1st time on an indoor range).
Gun fuctioned flawlessly and was accurate.
OK, it's not a Colt. But it suits my needs. [:)]
quote:I also have redone one of my RIA's to be as accurate as most any of the high end competition 1911's on the market (I did this by rebuilding it useing all Wilson parts) and still have less money into that gun than an entry level Colt.
unless you changed the barrel, bushing, link, and had it properly fitted to 1/1000th of an inch, you've done nothing to improve it's accuracy by adding the parts you did add, if i remember correctly you changed the slide stop, grip and thumb safety, slide stop was a good move it is the most broken part, but why did you replace it with a wilson part and not a ria part if they are "just as good"
Kevin your a great guy, i try to respect your opinion, but sometimes it gets a little overbearing when it comes to this discussion, no one else is allowed to have an opinion, there is no such thing as "agree to dis agree" about ria, they are what they are nothing more nothing less
if this was not the case i think we would get along much better
Who cares what everyone says, Fatstrat bought a gun!
DAMN RIGHT. But it's far from my 1st gun purchase.
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