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The streak continues.

DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
Please note that I was fire-forming cases. When doing this sometimes the powder charge doesn't ignite. This was not a case of my forgetting to charge the case with powder as some have interpreted.

For some reason I have been having the worst string of bad luck on range trips for the past two years or so. Only once or twice have I not had something go wrong at the range during that time period. A gun breaks, or I forgot ammo, or I hurt myself some how.

Today was no different.

Took a rifle in a wildcat caliber to fire-form cases. Half way to the range I realize I forgot the steel rod I use to pound out stuck bullets from primer only firings. Happens maybe 1 in 40 times. I brought 20 to form so I thought maybe I'll get lucky and they will all fire.

HA!!!

First shot. First shot, mind you! POOOT! Bullet lodged.

OK, go to second rifle. Felt like shooting H&K 91 so I loaded up two mags and ripped away sort semi-rapid fire. While putting the rifle away I laid the ball of my finger on the barrel and burned it like you wouldn't believe. This must be what they mean by "searing pain" because nothing hurts worse than burn.

Was planning some handgun shooting but with ring finger on shooting hand in agony I couldn't get a proper grip and was too distracted by the pain, anyway.

The run of bad luck continues.
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    don't forget to unstick that bbl, or your luck won't change!
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  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    remind me to never buy a used gun from this man[:D]
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:I loaded up two mags and ripped away sort semi-rapid fire.quote:
    I laid the ball of my finger on the barrel and burned it like you wouldn't believe.



    Call it what you will, but I cant call it bad luck....[}:)]
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    2 1/2 percent of your loads contain NO powder. You need to be banned from ALL public ranges. I'm with BR on this, you're not unlucky---you're stupid.

    Clouder..
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  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    reset brain.
    somethings distracting you.
    it would appear guns are NOT a relaxing thing anymore![:D]
    its not fun when you pull dummy things like that.
    stop eating stupid soup before you go![:p]
    Retired Naval Aviation
    Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
    Former NSSA All American
    Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
    MO, CT, VA.
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  • fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    no powder? It could be worse.

    Ben
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WC- Please don't call me stupid. I am not and it's not only incorrect for you say it but it's also extremely rude. I don't call you names or fling personal insults at you and I expect the same courtesy in return. If you have a comment or observation to make I want to hear it but insulting names and personal attacks are not only unnecessary but are also unwanted and I do not understand what would make you want to throw such a comment out like that.

    I said, if you would open your eyes and read what I said, that I was fire-forming cases. This involves less than standard powder charges because the cases do not head-space properly and are only held against the bolt face by the extractor. Under these conditions it's not unusual, say, 1 in 40, for the primer to get a light strike or for the powder charge to fail to ignite. That's what happened today. The primer fired but the charge failed to ignite. Hence the bullet stuck in the bore. There was powder in the case. I know because I poured it out on the ground after removing the case from the chamber.

    I do not have 2.5% of my loads containing no powder as you erroneously state. In fact, in 30 years of reloading countless thousands of rounds I can tell you that I have had exactly one round loaded with no powder. That was about 20 years ago and it sucked. Nobody's perfect.

    Believe it or not I actually have a pretty good idea of what I am doing in most things I do. I have been doing most of them a long time. When I am in unfamiliar territory I ask for help.
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BR- I was trying to put the rifle in the case and it slipped from my grip somewhat and was in danger of falling. When I shifted my grip in order to keep the gun from dropping my finger got onto the hot barrel.

    OK, I guess to you this makes me an idiot? I suppose you've never accidentally touched something hot, or cut your finger, or dropped something? I never realized I was in the presence of perfection.
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  • PearywPearyw Member Posts: 3,699
    edited November -1
    It looks like everybody is on your case. I would like to thank you for being willing to help out as a moderator. This truly looks like a thankless job. I for one have made enough mistakes not to jump on anyone who is honest enough to point out their own errors. I have stuck my share of bullets in barrels in 45 years of reloading. I try to learn from my mistakes. I learned not to put out more than one kind of powder when reloading after I poured the wrong powder into a can. I later used it in my 6mm Remington and nearly blew the gun up. I have never done that again.
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  • bsallybsally Member Posts: 3,165
    edited November -1
    Sp - You gotta just let people of perfection be perfect.[}:)][;)]
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  • fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Pearyw
    It looks like everybody is on your case.

    seems like the informal initiation has gone okay. I still get annoyed at 2 things. Poofing is happening a whole lot faster, and it seems like crap has gotten more strict for no reason.

    oh well. it ain't my sandbox.

    Ben
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    AAAAHhhhhh Saxon...

    quote:OK, I guess to you this makes me an idiot?

    Now just where in MY post did I say that?...I said, I couldnt call it bad luck, I didnt say a freaking word about what I would call you, did I?.....

    And by the way, I am not perfect and I am the first one to admit it....
    Your post might have come off a bit better IF you had said you almost dropped the gun and grabbed it, but NO you left that part out in the original post...

    Some ppl..[:(][:(]
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  • The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:you're not unlucky---you're stupid

    Yup...
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only real flaw I see in your recent episode, was trying to put a hot gun in a case... why on earth would you ever want to do that[?] I was taught many many years ago, to never put a hot gun in any type of case or container. Hot guns must be allowed to cool before cleaning or storing them.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    The only real flaw I see in your recent episode, was trying to put a hot gun in a case... why on earth would you ever want to do that[?] I was taught many many years ago, to never put a hot gun in any type of case or container. Hot guns must be allowed to cool before cleaning or storing them.

    Speaking of hot guns...what happened in pull ya'll up
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Alright...
    I've had enuf of this crap....GO TO YOUR ROOM AND STAY THERE UNTIL DINNER.

    PS. Flash-over while fire-forming is not uncommon. Burning ones finger ona hot barrel also is part of the territory when shooting high performance semi-autos.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    The only real flaw I see in your recent episode, was trying to put a hot gun in a case... why on earth would you ever want to do that[?] I was taught many many years ago, to never put a hot gun in any type of case or container. Hot guns must be allowed to cool before cleaning or storing them.

    Speaking of hot guns...what happened in pull ya'll up


    That high-wall was sold Saturday afternoon, so I did not get to see it[:(]. There was one other interesting high-wall at a differet table though... a real early production (serial 6682) Plain Sporting Rifle chambered for 40-70 Sharps Straight, but the bore had been relined. My next show is the WACA in Cody next month, then I will be in Reno for the August show.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BR- Your original response left little to the imagination. Your follow up was equally transparent. I hurt myself and you suggested that it was due to my own stupidity. You just didn't come out and say like 'Clouder did.

    Law- What can I say, man? Your creativity and wit is positively underwhelming.
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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SaxonPig
    Law- What can I say, man? Your creativity and wit is positively underwhelming.


    I see you figured something out! Don
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  • One shotOne shot Member Posts: 1,027 ✭
    edited November -1
    There are probably a few other options in fire forming your cases where a bullet is not used.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon...

    Never assume....

    I was NOT suggesting the accident was due to stupidity....I was going along the lines of NOT THINKING........

    If I was going to call you stupid, I would come right out and do it...
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you don't want me to assume, then don't be so oblique. I have found it's best to say what you mean and mean what you say...

    in plain English.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Okie, dokie....

    My first thought was....


    ohhhhhh my gosh, the pompous arrogant as* actually made a mistake....
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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
    Okie, dokie....

    My first thought was....


    ohhhhhh my gosh, the pompous arrogant as* actually made a mistake....



    He said "in plain english". Don
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm sorry you see me as a pompous arrogant * and as far as making mistakes I believe I am in the top 10 worldwide.
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  • tazzertazzer Member Posts: 16,837
    edited November -1
    has any one noticed that saxon weres his feelings on his shoulders
    [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Case-forming loads are usually partial case affairs. To prevent the dangerous and annoying condition you are plagued with, stuff the case with Kapok or cornmeal after you've added the requisite amount of powder. No more squibs and no more stuck bullets.

    I'll admit I made the assumption that a man whom I was sure had loaded for years knew about holding the powder on top of the primer and simply neglected the put powder in 1 of 40 cases (the stupid part.) You've cleared that point up.

    Therefore, I'll withdraw the "stupid" title and settle for ignorant.

    Clouder..
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am aware of the practice of using filler but rightly or wrongly I am paranoid about foreign objects being left behind in the bore that may cause a bulged barrel so I eschew the use of filler materials. If the round goes squib on me under these circumstances I know it immediately and can clear it. Not so sure I would know if some filler material got left behind.

    Maybe this makes be ignorant. I prefer to think of it as cautious.
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  • CrittergitterCrittergitter Member Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So, you'd rather pound out a stuck bullet than simply check the bore with a bore-light or run a rod down it after every shot? Boy, you must be in a hurry!

    Haste makes mistakes.

    I'd have to add stubborn to ignorant.
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  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    Sorry to hear ya got burned Saxon. I've spent 20 years of my life welding and let me tell you accidents happen when man is around things that are hot.

    Aloe Vera plants are always at my home.

    As for the wildcat case forming, that's far beyond most firearm enthusiast realm and many may not understand putting a full charge into it could crack the case and thus defeat the purpose of forming the brass.

    I'd rather have a stuck bullet than a case splitting and sending gas (50,000psi+)back at the shooter.
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Crittergitter- The aquibs only occur every 40 rounds or so, and like I said I have a sturdy steel rod that I just drop down the bore and the bullet pops out the chamber. They are just barely into the rifling and the weight of the rod falling is enough to drive it right out. I don't have to "pound" anything. Takes 2 seconds.

    Yes, I'd rather do this than worry about bits of filler staying in the barrel just waiting to bulge it with the next round fired. If that makes me stubborn or ignorant then so be it.
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