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Is This Fair To The Welfare Recipients ?????
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They are banning the use of EBT in Nail salons too!!!
No more of this
there is a lot of people needing help , I agree however
If they really want to get serious then after two kids no matter man or woman you get "fixed" , Drug test before you get your money each month , and also if the government ( me ) is paying your way you loose the right to vote ,
center for your food. The food was surplus with government
markings like they have in mess halls at military bases. Bet
that would save money.
Before food stamps and debit cards you went to a distribution
center for your food. The food was surplus with government
markings like they have in mess halls at military bases. Bet
that would save money.
Problem is the government always messes it up. In the long run it would probably always cost more money to have the government run sites like this. In the end the current system is probably better as it keeps lower overhead on the government side. If your going to give away say x dollars its better for the economy to be spent in the stores vs just giving that x dollar away in government run distribution center.
The current system is a better way of doing it. Problem is legislation needs to be created to create fair and honest utilization.
Still can get the $ from an ATM with the card and make it to the party on time...............
a lot of states are finally looking at doing away with that option
quote:Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
Eligible Food Items
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Last Modified: 12/20/2013
Households CAN use SNAP benefits to buy:
#9726;Foods for the household to eat, such as:
#9726;breads and cereals;
#9726;fruits and vegetables;
#9726;meats, fish and poultry; and
#9726;dairy products.
#9726;Seeds and plants which produce food for the household to eat.
In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly, or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.
Households CANNOT use SNAP benefits to buy:
#9726;Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
#9726;Any nonfood items, such as:
#9726;pet foods
#9726;soaps, paper products
#9726;household supplies
#9726;Vitamins and medicines
#9726;Food that will be eaten in the store
#9726;Hot foods
Additional Information
"Junk Food" & Luxury Items
The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households. The Act precludes the following items from being purchased with SNAP benefits: alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, hot food and any food sold for on-premises consumption. Nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, medicines and vitamins, household supplies, grooming items, and cosmetics, also are ineligible for purchase with SNAP benefits.
#9726;Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
#9726;Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items
Since the current definition of food is a specific part of the Act, any change to this definition would require action by a member of Congress. Several times in the history of SNAP, Congress had considered placing limits on the types of food that could be purchased with program benefits. However, they concluded that designating foods as luxury or non-nutritious would be administratively costly and burdensome. Further detailed information about the challenges of restricting the use of SNAP benefits can be found here:
Report -- Implications of Restricting the use of Food Stamp Benefits
Energy Drinks
When considering the eligibility of energy drinks, and other branded products, the primary determinant is the type of product label chosen by the manufacturer to conform to Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines:
#9726;Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods
#9726;Energy drinks that have a supplement facts label are classified by the FDA as supplements, and are therefore not eligible
Live Animals
Live animals may not be purchased with SNAP benefits.
Pumpkins, Holiday Gift Baskets, and Special Occasion Cakes
Pumpkins are edible and eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. However, inedible gourds and pumpkins that are used solely for ornamental purposes are not eligible items.
Gift baskets that contain both food and non-food items, are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits if the value of the non-food items exceeds 50 percent of the purchase price. To read our most recent notice about Gift Baskets, click here.
Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake.
One can be certain there are small mom/pop owned grocery stores that sell anything they have on a snap card. Simply ring up the item as a SNAP approved item.
There is ALWAYS as way to beat a government program as has been proven time and time again,.
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Thats possible and as with any large program ran by the gonverment or private a like there is potential for abuse. Always has and always will be. Doesnt mean a program should not be ran. I dont see it being a huge issue though as unless a store owner really had a raquet going on specific items. It would involve ensuring the product they actually sold netted them the right amount of money etc. plus the chance of getting caught over a few bucks just isnt worth it.
WIC like SNAP is a program that should be adopted that spells out items in great detail and limits it to food only.
quote:Originally posted by bartman45
Still can get the $ from an ATM with the card and make it to the party on time...............
a lot of states are finally looking at doing away with that option
You would think it would only take 20-30 seconds to correct that![xx(][xx(]
just a feel good rule , there is always ways around such laws / rules
there is a lot of people needing help , I agree however
If they really want to get serious then after two kids no matter man or woman you get "fixed" , Drug test before you get your money each month , and also if the government ( me ) is paying your way you loose the right to vote ,
If that happened, it would put the Democratic Party out of business.
You know why they can't take a group picture in Powell Co. KY? Every time you say cheese they all get in line.[:)]
Still can get the $ from an ATM with the card and make it to the party on time...............
At least in NC you can only withdraw $$ from an ATM with your EBT card if you are receiving Gov. Monetary assistance.
That said, if you are on the food only program you can buy Steak and lobster with it, you just good through your allotment faster.
We are reaching point to where over 40% are on govt assistance of some type and over 17,000,000,000,000 in national debt.
Right now, it is the rest of the people who are paying for it and actually working, I would be concerned about.
The problem is the definition of "food". Filets are food. Soda is food. Chips and such are food. All can be bought on a food stamp card.
They need to set it up like a flexible spending account. Try to buy a deck of smokes or a red bull on your fsa. It won't work. They need to go through the market and designate certain products(wholesome nutrition short of luxury) as food stamp eligible. Cut out much of the abuse overnight.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by us55840
One can be certain there are small mom/pop owned grocery stores that sell anything they have on a snap card. Simply ring up the item as a SNAP approved item.
There is ALWAYS as way to beat a government program as has been proven time and time again,.
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Thats possible and as with any large program ran by the gonverment or private a like there is potential for abuse. Always has and always will be. Doesnt mean a program should not be ran. I dont see it being a huge issue though as unless a store owner really had a raquet going on specific items. It would involve ensuring the product they actually sold netted them the right amount of money etc. plus the chance of getting caught over a few bucks just isnt worth it.
WIC like SNAP is a program that should be adopted that spells out items in great detail and limits it to food only.
The "chance of getting caught" is slim to none. How many fraudsters are ever caught in the SNAP program? Never heard of a single one. We all know Medicare fraud is billions of dollars annually and they still get away with it.
Government oversight is basically none existant!
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again what fraud are we actually worried about, somebody getting a package of paper plates vs pringles? If person can spend say $200 a month off of their EBT card, they can only spend $200. Whether they go in and buy 20 packages of rice or 20 packages of pencils, the government wasnt defrauded any extra money.
Now I agree the system was set up to only get certain things and if you are going outside of that you are screwing the system, but your talking abuse in the sense of wrong items vs stealing of funds. Again I dont see the propencity for this to be wide spread, I just dont. There just isnt a large gain.
I guess the whole USA was "not fair" prior to 1965 and all the "The Great Society" wealth redistribution programs.
We are reaching point to where over 40% are on govt assistance of some type and over 17,000,000,000,000 in national debt.
Right now, it is the rest of the people who are paying for it and actually working, I would be concerned about.
Actually we are not "paying for it". We are just putting in on the cuff for future generations to pay. Of course in the end it will never be paid for. At some point we will have Zimbabwe type inflation & the printing presses will pay off the debt.