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Just got scammed on C-list **UPDATE**
Just Tim
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The police arrested him and he was convicted of criminal littering . He had to pay a fine and pay damages to the neighbor. He took this all the way to trial to see if we would show up. When we did he pled out.
We had a big storm knock down some trees a couple of weeks ago. I cut them up and moved them to the side yard, I figure a 20 yard bin worth. I have been very busy so I decided to have someone else haul them off. Call a couple of companies off C-list and paid to have it hauled off. They removed it all, I paid them thanked them and was very happy it was done. Got a call this morning and a neighbor asked me about a huge pile of branches in a undeveloped lot. I bet you guys can guess where my branches are. I am pissed, neighbor called the cops and now I have to see if they can make him remove them again. If they can't I feel I need to take care of the branches again. What do you think? Any ideas how to proceed? Thanks Tim
We had a big storm knock down some trees a couple of weeks ago. I cut them up and moved them to the side yard, I figure a 20 yard bin worth. I have been very busy so I decided to have someone else haul them off. Call a couple of companies off C-list and paid to have it hauled off. They removed it all, I paid them thanked them and was very happy it was done. Got a call this morning and a neighbor asked me about a huge pile of branches in a undeveloped lot. I bet you guys can guess where my branches are. I am pissed, neighbor called the cops and now I have to see if they can make him remove them again. If they can't I feel I need to take care of the branches again. What do you think? Any ideas how to proceed? Thanks Tim
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The scammers probably wouldn't want to be cops.
Damn you're faster than don...
A good relationship with a neighbor will be better than hatred over the problem.
And I'd flame the guys on c list, call police and local chamber of commerce, hunt them down and steel their tires, and their wife's false teeth.
I'd remove them.
A good relationship with a neighbor will be better than hatred over the problem.
And I'd flame the guys on c list, call police and local chamber of commerce, hunt them down and steel their tires, and their wife's false teeth.
I just moved into the area 7 months ago and I really don't want a rocky start. I don't think I could be made to move it but I am unsure on the backlash from the neighbors. We moved to a acre + lot in the middle of gilbert that is still a county island so it is very close knit area that people only leave because of death or divorce. I will be calling the cops As soon as I get home and keep you posted
quote:Originally posted by legear
I'd remove them.
A good relationship with a neighbor will be better than hatred over the problem.
And I'd flame the guys on c list, call police and local chamber of commerce, hunt them down and steel their tires, and their wife's false teeth.
I just moved into the area 7 months ago and I really don't want a rocky start. I don't think I could be made to move it but I am unsure on the backlash from the neighbors. We moved to a acre + lot in the middle of gilbert that is still a county island so it is very close knit area that people only leave because of death or divorce. I will be calling the cops As soon as I get home and keep you posted
Did you pay the guys to clean it up in cash, or a check? Did they give you a receipt? Do you have a phone record of communication with them, and/or your e-mail exchanges?
Odds are they will deny ever doing business with you; or they will deny that they dumped the rubbish where it sits. The police are unlikely to do anything unless you can provide them with proof. Even if you can "match branches" to what came from your yard to the location where they sit now, you will still have difficulty proving they moved them there.
Maybe these guys have done something similar in the past, and the police will know their "reputation" and will try to put in some effort to catch them, (maybe they have odd-ball tire treads and tracks left on the lot match their tires) but other than that, I won't be too optimistic that the police will be able to do much.
Kind of sad but true.
nunn
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
nunn
Generally, your trash is yours. Once someone else handles it, the trash is theirs, and they are responsible for where it ends up.
quote:Originally posted by countryfarmer
As far as I can see you are off the hook period. You made a deal with someone to haul them away and they did. You had no knowledge of what they intended to do.
at Alice's Restaurant..."
quote:Originally posted by Just Tim
quote:Originally posted by legear
I'd remove them.
A good relationship with a neighbor will be better than hatred over the problem.
And I'd flame the guys on c list, call police and local chamber of commerce, hunt them down and steel their tires, and their wife's false teeth.
I just moved into the area 7 months ago and I really don't want a rocky start. I don't think I could be made to move it but I am unsure on the backlash from the neighbors. We moved to a acre + lot in the middle of gilbert that is still a county island so it is very close knit area that people only leave because of death or divorce. I will be calling the cops As soon as I get home and keep you posted
Did you pay the guys to clean it up in cash, or a check? Did they give you a receipt? Do you have a phone record of communication with them, and/or your e-mail exchanges?
Odds are they will deny ever doing business with you; or they will deny that they dumped the rubbish where it sits. The police are unlikely to do anything unless you can provide them with proof. Even if you can "match branches" to what came from your yard to the location where they sit now, you will still have difficulty proving they moved them there.
Maybe these guys have done something similar in the past, and the police will know their "reputation" and will try to put in some effort to catch them, (maybe they have odd-ball tire treads and tracks left on the lot match their tires) but other than that, I won't be too optimistic that the police will be able to do much.
It would help if you had 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
It would help if you had 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
I'll bet most of our members under 40 don't get that reference....
quote:Originally posted by Toolfogie
It would help if you had 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
I'll bet most of our members under 40 don't get that reference....
"Alices Restaurant".
I'm 53...
Response to stupidity removed.
nunn
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quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
quote:Originally posted by Toolfogie
It would help if you had 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
I'll bet most of our members under 40 don't get that reference....
"Alices Restaurant".
I'm 53...
I'm 54, and still remember the Group W Bench.[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Sooeyman2035
Response to stupidity removed.
nunn
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You called a brush buster on c list. WhAtdaya. Expect?
Ros
Don't hire anyone to haul away garbage that contains any mail with your address on it.
Corollary to Free Advice:
When donating magazine to schools, hospitals and the like, make certain your mailing address is obliterated.
quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
quote:Originally posted by Toolfogie
It would help if you had 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
I'll bet most of our members under 40 don't get that reference....
"Alices Restaurant".
I'm 53...
Older, had the album for years, good old vinyl! Don't know what became of it.
Looked at tree removers on {elsewhere} too. Have a mess of one I want gone. Won't be using any of them, just wanted to see who to avoid.
Generally, your trash is yours. Once someone else handles it, the trash is theirs, and they are responsible for where it ends up.
Logically, yes. Legally, no.
According to a training class I went through, in our state your trash and exactly what happens with it until it hits the landfill (it's new owner) remains your responsibility. If you hire someone to dispose of refuse/trash and they do so improperly you're still responsible for it's cleanup and any civil OR criminal charges that stem from this.
The person you contracted with may ultimately face criminal or civil charges for failing to follow through with what you'd agreed upon, but that issue is between you and them. The state is the victim and the owner of the trash at the time it was dumped is the defendant, not their employee.
Not that I agree with it, but the legal precedent you're facing is that you can't contract away liability.
The police arrested him and he was convicted of criminal littering . He had to pay a fine and pay damages to the neighbor.
He needs a good kick in the nuts as well. I'll pitch in for a bus ticket. Who're we sending?
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Generally, your trash is yours. Once someone else handles it, the trash is theirs, and they are responsible for where it ends up.
Logically, yes. Legally, no.
According to a training class I went through, in our state your trash and exactly what happens with it until it hits the landfill (it's new owner) remains your responsibility. If you hire someone to dispose of refuse/trash and they do so improperly you're still responsible for it's cleanup and any civil OR criminal charges that stem from this.
The person you contracted with may ultimately face criminal or civil charges for failing to follow through with what you'd agreed upon, but that issue is between you and them. The state is the victim and the owner of the trash at the time it was dumped is the defendant, not their employee.
Not that I agree with it, but the legal precedent you're facing is that you can't contract away liability.
I wonder if what you say is a Texas thing, or is it, possibly, an AZ thing, as well?
It's hard to imagine LE coming back to me and saying: "we found your tree on the freeway, so now we have to issue you a summons for littering." But, who knows?
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Generally, your trash is yours. Once someone else handles it, the trash is theirs, and they are responsible for where it ends up.
Logically, yes. Legally, no.
According to a training class I went through, in our state your trash and exactly what happens with it until it hits the landfill (it's new owner) remains your responsibility. If you hire someone to dispose of refuse/trash and they do so improperly you're still responsible for it's cleanup and any civil OR criminal charges that stem from this.
The person you contracted with may ultimately face criminal or civil charges for failing to follow through with what you'd agreed upon, but that issue is between you and them. The state is the victim and the owner of the trash at the time it was dumped is the defendant, not their employee.
Not that I agree with it, but the legal precedent you're facing is that you can't contract away liability.
I wonder if what you say is a Texas thing, or is it, possibly, an AZ thing, as well?
It's hard to imagine LE coming back to me and saying: "we found your tree on the freeway, so now we have to issue you a summons for littering." But, who knows?
By extension, if the branches found on the freeway injured someone, is the original owner liable?
Brad Steele
Stupidity removed.
nunn
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It's hard to imagine LE coming back to me and saying: "we found your tree on the freeway, so now we have to issue you a summons for littering." But, who knows?
At this point that is still your tree.
These dumping laws often come onto play involving scrap from construction or demolition.
For example, a homeowner hires a sketchy roofer. This guy includes the cost of shingle disposal in his itemized bid, but instead he just dumps them in a ditch somewhere and pockets the money.
If the owner of the shingles can be identified he's the one that'll get hit with a civil action and charged for cleanup/disposal because they're his property. He would have to turn around and sue the scammer he paid to take them for disposal in order to get the money out of him.