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Redneck body armor test?
shortphatokie
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I say fake, no reaction upon impact. That guy would have atleast spun or * upon impact.
I dont think that he would have any physical reaction to it hitting him with a vest on.
He is a moron for taking a live round.
quote:Originally posted by wartiger
I say fake, no reaction upon impact. That guy would have atleast spun or * upon impact.
I dont think that he would have any physical reaction to it hitting him with a vest on.
He is a moron for taking a live round.
The impact of any pistol, save maybe a .22, is still like getting hit in the chest by a 99mph fast ball. It may not penetrate, but the impact is still tremendous, often breaking ribs, sternums and causing other internal injuries. Trust me, if he had been hit by a 9mm, .40 or .45, it would have damn near put him on his * if not put him on it.
That schit was real.
BTW, did he say "hook 'em horns?"
Tea sips are puzzies.....[8D]
Hope it wasn't a PD initiation. Don't want anyone that STUPID behing a gun and badge.
At that distance, what if the shooter had flinched? They were all idiots.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Should be called the "Darwin" body armor test.
Someone probably might have told these "Brain surgeons" that the fibers in conventional kevlar ballistic vests degrade with time and lose efficacy after a few years.
quote:Originally posted by wartiger
The impact of any pistol, save maybe a .22, is still like getting hit in the chest by a 99mph fast ball. It may not penetrate, but the impact is still tremendous, often breaking ribs, sternums and causing other internal injuries. Trust me, if he had been hit by a 9mm, .40 or .45, it would have damn near put him on his * if not put him on it.
Well, not really.
Newton's second law of motion says that action and reaction are equal and opposite.
If being hit by a pistol round had enough power to knock a 165lb adult male on their butt, it should have enough power to knock the SHOOTER on their butt too!
Alternatively, baseball catchers generally don't get knocked over by catching fastballs (let alone having them bounce off of chest protectors). They also don't have their hands broken by same, even after catching 30+ of them in a single game.
In fact, lots of people relate stories of getting shot under combat situations and NOT EVEN NOTICING until the adrenaline wears off and they look down and happen to notice a thin stream of blood dripping down. This is quite common.
Note that this idiot didn't have "no reaction", since the second he was shot he started screaming in pain! (See video at about 15-16 seconds).
While it is true that people wearing body armor who get shot often have bruises underneath, its not always true. Depends on the type of armor, type of round involved, angle of the shot, where it hits (ie over a bone or not), etc.
For fun, lets look at the numbers. Per the rulebook, a standard US baseball weighs 5 - 5.25 ounces. Using an average of 5.125 ounces, we get about 2250 grains. 99mph equals 145 feet per second.
Now lets compare to say a standard ball 230 grain .45 ACP bullet doing 850 fps.
Using a simple calculation, the .45 ACP yields 195500 grain-fps of momentum (or "power factor"). Meanwhile, the fastball yields 326250 grain-fps.
That means that a pitched fastball should be 66% more likely to knock someone over than a .45ACP round!
The biggest FUNCTIONAL difference here isn't absolute momentum, or even kinetic energy. Its that the baseball spreads out its energy over a much greater surface area. The .45, in contrast, concentrates its energy into a small surface area, potentially leading to increased penetration and tissue damage.
After watching that again that gun didn't look like it fired...no smoke either.
I didn't see flash, recoil or smoke. It's a stretch but it could be a result of the video quality.
quote:Originally posted by swampgut
After watching that again that gun didn't look like it fired...no smoke either.
I didn't see flash, recoil or smoke. It's a stretch but it could be a result of the video quality.
That's true and I thought about that too.
It's hard to tell.
It definitely looked like he had an injury....
quote:Originally posted by swampgut
After watching that again that gun didn't look like it fired...no smoke either.
I didn't see flash, recoil or smoke. It's a stretch but it could be a result of the video quality.
9mms offer fairly little flash anyway, but you're unlikely to see it during daylight. So to me this is neither here nor there.
You don't see smoke, but there is a reason they call it "smokeless" powder. Some rounds are more "smokey" than others, and some offer very little smoke. Again, to me that doesn't mean anything.
I don't see any muzzle rise, though again its a 9mm and the shooter has what appears to be a rock-solid grip. To me this is probably the most suspicious thing that should be there but isn't.
If you look **VERY** carefully, you actually CAN see the slide go back on the gun for a fraction of a second at about 14 seconds.
Note that the slide appears to retract BEFORE the sound of the report. That could be because of bad audio-video sync issues (or because it was dubbed in, hard to say).
My feeling is that this is probably real, though I can't say for absolutely sure given the pretty limited quality of the video.
It definitely looked like he had an injury....The wound is a prosthetic. His buddy gave him that 'playful' punch to pop the blood packet.
Three important elements:
1. That's not how any 9mm reacts when fired.
2. Soft armor such as this 'puffs' outward slightly when it takes a hit. It's very apparent if a bullet strikes this stuff when strapped to an elastic surface - such as a human body. There's no movement of the armor at all here.
3. The impact of a round on soft armor is significant. The round wouldn't knock the guy down or even backwards, but you'd see a quick, involuntary muscular reaction of some sort from such a solid hit to the torso. To give you an idea, hits on soft armor often breaks ribs. Here you see zero reaction from a blow that would be at least comparable to a wrist rocket slingshot hit on bare flesh at close range.
They do a similar test. Sort of.
Anybody got a link to the Movie "Super Troopers"?They do a similar test. Sort of.
Sorry, bad quality
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Anybody got a link to the Movie "Super Troopers"?They do a similar test. Sort of.
Sorry, bad quality
Thank you.
that let a guy shot him with a .308. It moved him a bit , but nothing like I would have thought. It was plate armor that
slid into pockets in the vest, and I believe they said it was
a one time use per plate. Like was said before, the equal but
opposit reaction thing comes into play here. If the bullit
could knock you on your but, the shoter as well would have
to get up off the ground.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhyETXW1u0
To give you an idea of actual kinetic energy transfer, here's a video of a guy taking a close range .308 hit on hard armor while standing on one foot:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS_2l8nGdg