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Guy in Bunker with 5-Year Old Boy
Leeroy Jenkins
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FoxNews was just showing a bunch of FBI bomb techs all suited up at the site. Not good. Guess they guy has his bunker booby trapped.
Hope the little boy is still OK.
Hope the little boy is still OK.
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The kid is in great danger. It's one of those cases where if the perp lives he should be remanded to the custody of the kids parents for punishment.
If he's gone to the trouble of building a bunker he probably has a gas mask.
Not if done secretly and if there is an oderless sleeping gas
It's survivable.
"Knock out" gas is only in the movies.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
At least not that I know of anyway.
Remember that Russian raid a number of years ago where they pumped an opera house full of weaponized Fentanyl?
More hostages died than perps.
I have no clue what this guys issue is, but hopefully he is simply using the child for protection, and they will be able to talk him out at some point.
quote:October 26th: The two-day hostage siege in a Moscow theatre, where 50 Chechen rebels held 750 people captive in a desperate act to draw public attention to the ongoing war in their province, ended in a cloud of knockout gas. The military rescue authorized by Russian President Putin began the raid by pumping an unidentified gas into the theatre ventilation system, which debilitated or rendered unconscious almost everyone exposed to it. In addition to knocking unconscious the 50 Chechen captors, who were then shot dead in their sleep by Russian storm troopers, the gas is so far responsible for the deaths of 116 hostages. Hundreds more remain in serious condition in Moscow hospitals. The Russian government refuses to release the name of the gas used and did not tell health providers of its composition or provide an antidote, even as doctors struggled to treat busloads of still-unconscious hostages being brought to the hospital following the raid.
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/knockout_gas.htm
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The Russians used "Knock Out Gas" years ago with not so good results.
quote:October 26th: The two-day hostage siege in a Moscow theatre, where 50 Chechen rebels held 750 people captive in a desperate act to draw public attention to the ongoing war in their province, ended in a cloud of knockout gas. The military rescue authorized by Russian President Putin began the raid by pumping an unidentified gas into the theatre ventilation system, which debilitated or rendered unconscious almost everyone exposed to it. In addition to knocking unconscious the 50 Chechen captors, who were then shot dead in their sleep by Russian storm troopers, the gas is so far responsible for the deaths of 116 hostages. Hundreds more remain in serious condition in Moscow hospitals. The Russian government refuses to release the name of the gas used and did not tell health providers of its composition or provide an antidote, even as doctors struggled to treat busloads of still-unconscious hostages being brought to the hospital following the raid.
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/knockout_gas.htm
I posted the same above you.
It seems to have been 'weaponized' Fentanyl that was used.
Took over 30 minutes for most to succumb to the gas.
Not an option.
While a vile creature,....this guy is not stupid.
He would sense gas right away.
"The man is known to be anti Government".
I have my doubts.
I see at least 2 different police choppers, dozens of SUVs and maybe 100 uniformed officers and SWAT, many dressed in camo.
Perhaps this overwhelming show of force is for effect?
I hope the guy dies and the kid is recovered physically unharmed, I just wonder how much other crime in the area is not being investigated due to lack of manpower.
Quote:
"Heard an up date on the radio last night about this. At the end of the segment they radio guy reported that....
"The man is known to be anti Government"."
Any self reliant, red blooded American should be, but its become a label used to discredit the opposition, much like the label of "racist".
he's probly long gone watching all this on tv from a holiday inn express.
think escape tunnel, a good bunker is not complete without a good secert exit.
he's probly long gone watching all this on tv from a holiday inn express.
That has crossed my mind also [:(!]
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
think escape tunnel, a good bunker is not complete without a good secert exit.The media is referring to it as a 'bunker'.
Those neighbors of his who are being interviewed call it a tornado shelter.
At some point hte guy will fall asleep...
That is a given,.......even a meth head crashes at some point.
Longest I ever went was a bit over 3 days with no sleep.
That was without drugs though.
Only caffeine and nicotine from my chew.
I was also young in comparison to this guy.
Hope the poor child gets out of this alive, and unharmed.
Surely they have some kind of anesthetic gas they could pump into the fresh air pvc pipes.
That was tried in Russia ten years ago when Chechen (Read: MUSLIM) terrorists seized control of a crowded theater. Those who weren't killed by explosives or gun shots died from the gas authorities used to render attackers and victims unconscious.
I might be just too cynical about this and maybe theyre just showing file footage from earlier in the standoff, but for one guy in a bunker with a single hostage, the police presence looks like grandstanding.
I see at least 2 different police choppers, dozens of SUVs and maybe 100 uniformed officers and SWAT, many dressed in camo.
Perhaps this overwhelming show of force is for effect?
I hope the guy dies and the kid is recovered physically unharmed, I just wonder how much other crime in the area is not being investigated due to lack of manpower.
I've heard on the news reports that this guy was "paranoid" about "the government" -- in which case, the response is proving -- in his twisted mind -- exactly what he believes.
The response should be toned way down; just a few "local sheriff" deputies should remain on the scene and the "local sheriff" should be talking with him about his surrendering peacefully. (From the news reports, it sounds like there is some line of communication with him, so I'm assuming the "local sheriff" could be talking with him.)
Of course, understanding about human (abnormal) psychology -- and using "psychological techniques" for persuasion -- isn't normally one of the strong points when it comes to police hostage-rescue operations. "Baboons with guns" more aptly describes their style.
MIDLAND CITY, Ala. - As the standoff with a man accused of holding a 5-year-old boy hostage continued Saturday, a nearby community prepared to bury the beloved bus driver who was shot to death when the episode started to unfold five days ago.
Charles Albert Poland Jr., a 66-year-old man known around his town as Chuck, was described by folks in his hometown of Newton as a humble hero who gave his life Tuesday to protect the children on his bus. Visitations services for Poland were scheduled for Saturday evening, and his funeral was set for Sunday afternoon.
"I believe that if he had to do it all over again tomorrow, he would," said Poland's sister-in-law, Lavern Skipper. "He would do it for those children."
Authorities said Jim Lee Dykes - a Vietnam-era veteran known as Jimmy to his neighbors _boarded a stopped school bus filled with 21 children Tuesday afternoon and demanded two boys between 6 and 8 years old. When Poland tried to block his way, the gunman shot him several times and took one 5-year-old boy - who police say remains in an underground bunker with Dykes.
Dale County Sheriff Wally Olson said in a briefing with reporters Saturday that Dykes has told them he has blankets and an electric heater in the bunker. Authorities have been communicating with Dykes through a ventilation pipe to the underground bunked.
Olson also said Dykes has allowed authorities to deliver coloring books, medication and toys for the boy.
"I want to thank him for taking care of our boy," Olson said. "That's very important."
The shooting and abduction took place in Midland City, a small town near Dothan, Ala., in the state's southeastern corner.
Newton is about three miles away, a small hamlet with fewer than 2,000 residents. It sits amid cotton farms and rolling hills sprinkled with red earth; most of the residents commute to Dothan or to a nearby Army post.
Nearly everyone in Newton is planning to attend Poland's visitation or funeral.
"He's probably the nicest guy you'll ever meet," said Lonnie Daniels, the 69-year-old owner of the NAPA Auto Parts store, one of three establishments in town that was open Saturday.
Daniels last saw his friend Tuesday morning, when Poland agreed to buy a car from him. The two men shook hands and closed the deal "like gentlemen," Daniels said. Poland was to return after working his bus route to pay for the car.
"He never came back," Daniels said quietly.
Daniels said Poland had been married to his wife for 43 years. Poland was from Idaho, but his wife was from Newton. The couple lived there for decades in a small mobile home, and Poland enjoyed gardening and clearing brush from his property.
"I knew that he was always there if I needed," said Daniels, adding that Poland was an excellent mechanic with an array of tools that he lent to people in town.
Neighbors and friends said Poland did various acts of kindness for people in town, from fixing someone's tractor to tilling the garden of a neighbor who had a heart attack.
"You don't owe me anything," Poland once told a recipient of his good deed. "You're my neighbor."
Skipper said Poland and his wife would often sit on their porch, drinking coffee, praying and reading the Bible.
"They loved to be together," Skipper said.
On Saturday morning, Poland's wife wasn't home. A rack of worn trucker's caps sat on hooks on the porch, and two freshly baked pies were laid atop a cooler.
As Newton grieves, residents are praying for the safe return of the boy being held hostage - and wondering about the man behind the abduction.
"We'd all like to get to him and say, `What's wrong with you?' " said Gerald Harden, owner of a gun shop in Newton.
Harden said he checked his records to see whether Dykes had bought a firearm there, but records showed he hadn't.
In Midland City, police were mostly staying mum about their talks with Dykes. It fell to neighbors to fill in the blanks about the man, described by some as a menacing figure with anti-government views.
One of Dykes' next-door neighbors said the suspect spent two or three months constructing the bunker, digging several feet into the ground and then building a structure of lumber and plywood, which he covered with sand and dirt.
Neighbor Michael Creel said Dykes put the plastic pipe underground from the bunker to the end of his driveway so he could hear if anyone drove up to his gate. When Dykes finished the shelter a year or so ago, he invited Creel to see it - and he did.
"He was bragging about it. He said, `Come check it out," Creel said.
He said he believes Dykes' goal is to publicize his political beliefs.
"I believe he wants to rant and rave about politics and government," Creel said. "He's very concerned about his property."
Police have used the pipe for communication and to deliver the boy medication for his emotional disorders. State Rep. Steve Clouse, who visited the boy's mother, said the boy has Asperger's syndrome - a mild form of autism - and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.
But police have not revealed how often they are in touch or what the conversations have been about. Authorities waited until Friday to confirm the suspect's identity.
Local officials who have spoken to police or the boy's family have described a small room with food, electricity and a TV.
Sheriff Olson would not say Saturday whether Dykes has made any demands. Olson added that he is limited in the details he can release.
FBI spokesman Jason Pack said Saturday that officials were working to establish a command center near the bunker.
Dykes had been scheduled to appear in court Wednesday to answer charges he shot at his neighbors in a dispute last month over a speed bump.
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Follow Tamara Lush on Twitter at http://twitter.com/tamaralush
Associated Press writers Eric Tucker in Washington; Tamara Lush and Phillip Rawls in Midland City; Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala., and AP researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.
So, if it would take 5 minutes of "knock out gas" to make the Psycho unconscious, at that point, the child might be already dead.
Also, if they try to tunnel in, the bad guy would hear them. Sound travels really well underground.
I hope they have really good listening devices. Wait until Psycho Boy goes to sleep, then tear off the roof of the bunker, immediately shine big lights in there, and immediately have a couple of big cops jump in and subdue/kill the Psycho Boy.
I heard a neighbor, who has been inside the bunker, say that the roof is nothing more than a couple sheets of plywood.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-alabama-bunker-20130203,0,4825617.story
Realistically, assaulting a small, brick lined hole in the ground with one secured/barricaded small entrance located at the top of a set of stairs without you either causing harm to the hostage or the bad guy being able to harm them is impossible.
In that situation, even waiting on the hostage taker to fall asleep wouldn't help and use of any sort of gas or drugging food items sent in might sound good on paper, but for a host of reasons don't work in the real world.
As bad of a situation as that child is in and no matter the emotional toll this is taking on his family, he is alive. THAT is the important part. With that sort of physical layout, any sort of dynamic action to free him would unnecessarily and greatly increase risk to him.
Regardless of how long this drags out, given the circumstances they'll continue talking with him as long as the hostage remains alive.
So gas does not seem to be an option...waiting the guy out is probably the only answer.Their list of options ends at negotiating with someone who has a seriously skewed sense of reality.
If he decides to start injuring or molesting that child you know your only possible response will in all probability result in the kid's death.
I don't envy those folks at all.