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Cabelas Bushmaster on sale
saserby
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Cabelas is offering a new Bushmaster AR A3 flat top, 16" barrel, 6 pos stock with a red dot sight for $639 + tax. Sounds like a pretty good price. What do you think?
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I'm not an AR guy, but want one. Fact is though, it will likey not get much use. What do you consider a better brand? Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
The original, Colt is the best. Hands down, no ifs and or butts.
after that, it is opinion. I like DPMS, some will say its garbage, but others will say it's not. It is a very back and fourth and well balanced argument. You will always find 10 na sayers to 10 ye sayers.
Find the one you like and buy it. If you spend $500 expect a $500 gun, if you spend $2000 then expect a $1000 gun because you can pretty much have the best of the best for $1000.
Cabelas is offering a new Bushmaster AR A3 flat top, 16" barrel, 6 pos stock with a red dot sight for $639 + tax. Sounds like a pretty good price. What do you think?
Can you post a link to that price?
I just checked my local Cabella's and cannot find that price.
I know it's just speculation, but I believe we'll see prices soar as the election appraoches... remember what happened to the prices of those evil black rifles and the ammo they eat, during the last presidential election season?
It t'was ugly.
NS
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Cabelas is offering a new Bushmaster AR A3 flat top, 16" barrel, 6 pos stock with a red dot sight for $639 + tax. Sounds like a pretty good price. What do you think?
Can you post a link to that price?
I just checked my local Cabella's and cannot find that price.
I know it's just speculation, but I believe we'll see prices soar as the election appraoches... remember what happened to the prices of those evil black rifles and the ammo they eat, during the last presidential election season?
It t'was ugly.
NS
I just got a sale flyer in the mail today. Sale date Jan 19-29.
Item # 03070584. Includes Bushnell red dot scope, soft case and 30 rd mag. Says it was $699, save $60. Seems like a decent price. I don't think you can build one for that. With tax, probably $700?
quote:Originally posted by saserby
I'm not an AR guy, but want one. Fact is though, it will likey not get much use. What do you consider a better brand? Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
The original, Colt is the best. Hands down, no ifs and or butts.
after that, it is opinion. I like DPMS, some will say its garbage, but others will say it's not. It is a very back and fourth and well balanced argument. You will always find 10 na sayers to 10 ye sayers.
Find the one you like and buy it. If you spend $500 expect a $500 gun, if you spend $2000 then expect a $1000 gun because you can pretty much have the best of the best for $1000.
IF you think Colt is the best AND you might if you take complete leave of your senses, BUT Armalite has been cranking out some damn fine rifles which Gun Tests regularly ranks ahead of Colt. There was even their M15A2 on sale on Gunbroker a bit back.
And you're not building a really good AR for $1000. Simply ain't happening.
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
quote:Originally posted by saserby
I'm not an AR guy, but want one. Fact is though, it will likey not get much use. What do you consider a better brand? Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
The original, Colt is the best. Hands down, no ifs and or butts.
after that, it is opinion. I like DPMS, some will say its garbage, but others will say it's not. It is a very back and fourth and well balanced argument. You will always find 10 na sayers to 10 ye sayers.
Find the one you like and buy it. If you spend $500 expect a $500 gun, if you spend $2000 then expect a $1000 gun because you can pretty much have the best of the best for $1000.
IF you think Colt is the best AND you might if you take complete leave of your senses, BUT Armalite has been cranking out some damn fine rifles which Gun Tests regularly ranks ahead of Colt. There was even their M15A2 on sale on Gunbroker a bit back.
And you're not building a really good AR for $1000. Simply ain't happening.
Yep what he says.[;)]
Bushmaster repaired it for free Knowing I bought it used.
So if there is Problems contact them, they were also very fast getting back to me.
I did some checking. The Cabelas gun is the Bushmaster Carbon 15 model. It has a light contour barrel. Upper and lower are composite material. No forward assist.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
quote:Originally posted by saserby
I'm not an AR guy, but want one. Fact is though, it will likey not get much use. What do you consider a better brand? Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
The original, Colt is the best. Hands down, no ifs and or butts.
after that, it is opinion. I like DPMS, some will say its garbage, but others will say it's not. It is a very back and fourth and well balanced argument. You will always find 10 na sayers to 10 ye sayers.
Find the one you like and buy it. If you spend $500 expect a $500 gun, if you spend $2000 then expect a $1000 gun because you can pretty much have the best of the best for $1000.
IF you think Colt is the best AND you might if you take complete leave of your senses, BUT Armalite has been cranking out some damn fine rifles which Gun Tests regularly ranks ahead of Colt. There was even their M15A2 on sale on Gunbroker a bit back.
And you're not building a really good AR for $1000. Simply ain't happening.
Yep what he says.[;)]
+1
Colt was the best 'back in the day'. Now you're just buying their label.
quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Cabelas is offering a new Bushmaster AR A3 flat top, 16" barrel, 6 pos stock with a red dot sight for $639 + tax. Sounds like a pretty good price. What do you think?
Can you post a link to that price?
I just checked my local Cabella's and cannot find that price.
I know it's just speculation, but I believe we'll see prices soar as the election appraoches... remember what happened to the prices of those evil black rifles and the ammo they eat, during the last presidential election season?
It t'was ugly.
NS
I just got a sale flyer in the mail today. Sale date Jan 19-29.
Item # 03070584. Includes Bushnell red dot scope, soft case and 30 rd mag. Says it was $699, save $60. Seems like a decent price. I don't think you can build one for that. With tax, probably $700?
Thanks Saserby.
NS
Colt was the best 'back in the day'. Now you're just buying their label.
I agree with this simply because old colts (not to be confused with old colts) are the best. I didn't mean to lend any credence to the current production of junk.
I should had said pre-2000 guns or green labels to be more exact. As it was the green label (SP1) I had in mind when I made the comment.
Upon further review:
I did some checking. The Cabelas gun is the Bushmaster Carbon 15 model. It has a light contour barrel. Upper and lower are composite material. No forward assist.
PASS
Supposedly Bushmaster worked the bugs out of the Professional Ordnance Carbon 15, when they bought the company, but those guns were such hunks or crap, I would not risk it.
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Upon further review:
I did some checking. The Cabelas gun is the Bushmaster Carbon 15 model. It has a light contour barrel. Upper and lower are composite material. No forward assist.
PASS
Supposedly Bushmaster worked the bugs out of the Professional Ordnance Carbon 15, when they bought the company, but those guns were such hunks or crap, I would not risk it.
While I did say I like Bushmaster think I wouolpd pass on that one Model.
Upon further review:
I did some checking. The Cabelas gun is the Bushmaster Carbon 15 model. It has a light contour barrel. Upper and lower are composite material. No forward assist.
I own a carbon 15, they are great rifles..40% lighter, require no lubrication..I've put over 7000 rounds through mine, took it through two Patrol Rifle Schools and it was flawless. 14.5 barrel with staked izzy flash suppressor
top one is the Carbon 15
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Upon further review:
I did some checking. The Cabelas gun is the Bushmaster Carbon 15 model. It has a light contour barrel. Upper and lower are composite material. No forward assist.
I own a carbon 15, they are great rifles..40% lighter, require no lubrication..I've put over 7000 rounds through mine, took it through two Patrol Rifle Schools and it was flawless. 14.5 barrel with staked izzy flash suppressor
top one is the Carbon 15
Seems like they are hit and miss, some are great and many others are jammomatics.
btw for you guys that think colt completely builds their own ar , they get the same upper and lower receivers as every other forged ar manufacturer out there, look at the forge markings, they are the same as rock river, dpms, bushmaster, cmmg
alco forge, mueller, cero forge, and anchor harvey are the top 4 they all get what ever they can, colt has theirs typically stamped with an additional C, rock river actually had a run with the C marked on their upper receivers by accident a few years ago
and each and everyone can produce a lemon from the same parts, jethro at the bench could have had a bad day that day [:)]
i'll pass on the plastic bushmaster also
btw for you guys that think colt completely builds their own ar , they get the same upper and lower receivers as every other forged ar manufacturer out there, look at the forge markings, they are the same as rock river, dpms, bushmaster, cmmg
alco forge, mueller, cero forge, and anchor harvey are the top 4 they all get what ever they can, colt has theirs typically stamped with an additional C, rock river actually had a run with the C marked on their upper receivers by accident a few years ago
and each and everyone can produce a lemon from the same parts, jethro at the bench could have had a bad day that day [:)]
that's why I have to chuckle when the horsey snobs come out...if it doesn't have a horse on the side of it, it must be junk.
There is no reason to be so elitist...can't all black rifle enthusiasts get along? [:D]
I can appreciate a nice Colt just as much as I can appreciate a nice Rock River or Doublestar.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i'll pass on the plastic bushmaster also
btw for you guys that think colt completely builds their own ar , they get the same upper and lower receivers as every other forged ar manufacturer out there, look at the forge markings, they are the same as rock river, dpms, bushmaster, cmmg
alco forge, mueller, cero forge, and anchor harvey are the top 4 they all get what ever they can, colt has theirs typically stamped with an additional C, rock river actually had a run with the C marked on their upper receivers by accident a few years ago
and each and everyone can produce a lemon from the same parts, jethro at the bench could have had a bad day that day [:)]
that's why I have to chuckle when the horsey snobs come out...if it doesn't have a horse on the side of it, it must be junk.
There is no reason to be so elitist...can't all black rifle enthusiasts get along? [:D]
I can appreciate a nice Colt just as much as I can appreciate a nice Rock River or Doublestar.
now there is a man that gets it, he who pulls the trigger is my friend[:D]
i can't stand hi-points, but when i see someone at the range with one, i'm just glad to see them shooting, like the overweight guy you see every spring trying to jog, at least he's trying
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i'll pass on the plastic bushmaster also
btw for you guys that think colt completely builds their own ar , they get the same upper and lower receivers as every other forged ar manufacturer out there, look at the forge markings, they are the same as rock river, dpms, bushmaster, cmmg
alco forge, mueller, cero forge, and anchor harvey are the top 4 they all get what ever they can, colt has theirs typically stamped with an additional C, rock river actually had a run with the C marked on their upper receivers by accident a few years ago
and each and everyone can produce a lemon from the same parts, jethro at the bench could have had a bad day that day [:)]
that's why I have to chuckle when the horsey snobs come out...if it doesn't have a horse on the side of it, it must be junk.
There is no reason to be so elitist...can't all black rifle enthusiasts get along? [:D]
I can appreciate a nice Colt just as much as I can appreciate a nice Rock River or Doublestar.
now there is a man that gets it, he who pulls the trigger is my friend[:D]
i can't stand hi-points, but when i see someone at the range with one, i'm just glad to see them shooting, like the overweight guy you see every spring trying to jog, at least he's trying
You saw me jog by your house? My sweatpants weren't saggin to low in the back were they??? [:I]
Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
Contrary to what people are led to believe, Colt is the only AR type available to the general public that's actually 'milspec'.
Colt and FN are the only manufacturers who posesses the DoD accepted technicaal data package and per DoD's contract FN is not allowed to sell these rifles to anyone but them.
Besides each and every part of the gun being manufactured to a prescribed specification, what 'milspec' tells you is that the method and quality of manufacture of these each these parts remains consistant over the years. Your assurance of this is that DoD inspectors are assigned to monitor each step. There are no outside inspectors monitoring the manufacture of ANY other AR you and I can buy.
When you see others manufacturers referring to their guns as being milspec, all this means is that they contain some true milspec parts, with other parts varying due to their subcontracted sources changing constantly. You can disassemble multiple examples of other barnd AR's and find that their components are actually being made by a range of different manufacturers.
The result of this is that you have someone saying their Bushmaster, RRA, etc. rifle is great, while another says their's is a jam-a-matic. This is due to inconsistency of their detailed components, which doesn't exist with a 100% milspec AR.
Those who think you're only paying for the name when you buy a Colt AR really have no understanding of how unbelievably detailed the TDP for that rifle is and the guaranteed quality it gives. Of course, the vast majority of these people will never work their guns hard enough to see how they'll fail long before a 100% milspec gun.
Cabelas is offering a new Bushmaster AR A3 flat top, 16" barrel, 6 pos stock with a red dot sight for $639 + tax. Sounds like a pretty good price. What do you think?
My buddy has one and he loves it. I've fired it, and it's accurate and was reliable for the 100 rounds I put through it. Seems lightweight, and as good as anything else out there. Bushmaster is a good brand.
In contrast to those on here who apparently know everything to know about EVERY AR out there, (including exactly WHEN your gun will break and how much it will cost to fix!) I understand there are many positive reviews out there concerning Bushmaster.
So my advice (I'm not an expert and don't play one on tv) is to buy it and enjoy. For that price you can upgrade to your heart's content later on, and if anything DOES break, it won't break your heart. In the meantime you have a nice toy to play with.
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
Contrary to what people are led to believe, Colt is the only AR type available to the general public that's actually 'milspec'.
Colt and FN are the only manufacturers who posesses the DoD accepted technicaal data package and per DoD's contract FN is not allowed to sell these rifles to anyone but them.
Besides each and every part of the gun being manufactured to a prescribed specification, what 'milspec' tells you is that the method and quality of manufacture of these each these parts remains consistant over the years. Your assurance of this is that DoD inspectors are assigned to monitor each step. There are no outside inspectors monitoring the manufacture of ANY other AR you and I can buy.
When you see others manufacturers referring to their guns as being milspec, all this means is that they contain some true milspec parts, with other parts varying due to their subcontracted sources changing constantly. You can disassemble multiple examples of other barnd AR's and find that their components are actually being made by a range of different manufacturers.
The result of this is that you have someone saying their Bushmaster, RRA, etc. rifle is great, while another says their's is a jam-a-matic. This is due to inconsistency of their detailed components, which doesn't exist with a 100% milspec AR.
Those who think you're only paying for the name when you buy a Colt AR really have no understanding of how unbelievably detailed the TDP for that rifle is and the guaranteed quality it gives. Of course, the vast majority of these people will never work their guns hard enough to see how they'll fail long before a 100% milspec gun.
you forgot the green font [:o)]
Guns are no different then arguing what's the best pizza, burger, fish fry or steak, you'll never get 2 people out of a crowd to agree with anything.
exactly...
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Guns are no different then arguing what's the best pizza, burger, fish fry or steak, you'll never get 2 people out of a crowd to agree with anything.
That's true, [:D] but on this thread, at least one person claims to apparently know everything there is to know about the best pizza, burger, steak, etc. I'm not surprised, but I don't buy it. Why not just answer the OP question without trying to be the Great God of the AR?
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Also, why /how is one better than another if they are all "mil spec"?
Contrary to what people are led to believe, Colt is the only AR type available to the general public that's actually 'milspec'.
Colt and FN are the only manufacturers who posesses the DoD accepted technicaal data package and per DoD's contract FN is not allowed to sell these rifles to anyone but them.
Besides each and every part of the gun being manufactured to a prescribed specification, what 'milspec' tells you is that the method and quality of manufacture of these each these parts remains consistant over the years. Your assurance of this is that DoD inspectors are assigned to monitor each step. There are no outside inspectors monitoring the manufacture of ANY other AR you and I can buy.
When you see others manufacturers referring to their guns as being milspec, all this means is that they contain some true milspec parts, with other parts varying due to their subcontracted sources changing constantly. You can disassemble multiple examples of other barnd AR's and find that their components are actually being made by a range of different manufacturers.
The result of this is that you have someone saying their Bushmaster, RRA, etc. rifle is great, while another says their's is a jam-a-matic. This is due to inconsistency of their detailed components, which doesn't exist with a 100% milspec AR.
Those who think you're only paying for the name when you buy a Colt AR really have no understanding of how unbelievably detailed the TDP for that rifle is and the guaranteed quality it gives. Of course, the vast majority of these people will never work their guns hard enough to see how they'll fail long before a 100% milspec gun.
you forgot the green font [:o)]
green font, and green label, far from mil-spec
Guns are no different then arguing what's the best pizza, burger, fish fry or steak, you'll never get 2 people out of a crowd to agree with anything.
Would you expect a consistent level of quality of these items from a restaurant that frequently changes ingredient vendors based upon the lowest bidder at the time they place their order?
You're much more guaranteed to end up with a quality end product if their ingredients come only from vendors where a third party is constantly monitoring their products to insure they're operating at a specified level.
When you disassemble AR's and see a mixture of parts manufacturers represented in each one - even within the same rifle brand - it becomes apparent where their inconsistent functionality comes from.
The requirement that a manufacturer sticks with an established, noncompromising quality level for each and every part of their gun results in a more consistent product than one making one which looks the same but instead assembles their's from parts obtained through the lowest bidder they can find at the moment.
For what it's worth, I've seen AR's which contain genuine Colt manufactured internals - but then I've disassembled others of the same brand which contain mystery manufactured parts. The bottom line is that non-100% milspec equates to a crap-shoot. People who think that by buying Colt you're just paying extra for the name don't understand those extra dollars are going for guaranteed quality consistency.