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Sniper

mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
I hate to call him that but that is what the media seem to be calling him. I am talking about the guy that shot is wife while she was singing in an Old Chicago. Anyway he shot her from the parking lot maybe 100-150 max. I would not call such a great shoot that only a sniper could do it. They keep bringing up his sniper training. but anyone that has ever deer hunted has made a shoot further than that.

Also the local news said today that he will have a full military funeral with even a fly over from the Air Gaurd witch I think is total BS. he is going to be honered for his killing
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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It on right now, on spike.
    in this was the part mythbuster tried to re create. kill thru the scope.
    But did whitefeather make that shot?
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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just read in my mens Journal(Article about the US Army Siper school) that a Canadian Sniper killed an Al Qaeda soldier from one and a half miles out(new record). It doesn't say what he was shooting, but I guess the movies aren't so far fetched!
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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    reporter_sniper.jpg
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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Carlos Hathcock 2,460 yards, new record 2,657 yards, confirmed kills.
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  • michellemichelle Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    yes the movies are far fetched.these shots were made by highly trained and very experienced shooters. with very good rifle and optics. I believe the Canadian was shooting a .50 cal Barrett. The average Joe or police sniper would only hear a bang, and then never have any idea what happened to his round.

    michelle the Khan-singlehandedly conquered lower Mongolia in 1169 AD
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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A .50 cal? Wasn't that round placed on the inhumane list not to be used to kill individuals? I'm talking about a thread from the other day where a sniper in a movie said he could hit someone a mile out. The movie title escapes my mind but Jude Law was one of the characters.(Russia vs. Germany)
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  • CWatsonCWatson Member Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Enemy at the Gates",truth is stranger than fiction.CW

    1.Before I got married I spent half my money on women and guns,THE REST I WASTED!

    2.KILL EM' ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM' OUT!
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  • michellemichelle Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    oh ok. I got ya now. Enemy At The Gates. I dont know what rifles they would have been using, but they may have been 7.62x54. Although I'm probably wrong. someone will happen along here and set us both straight.

    michelle the Khan-singlehandedly conquered lower Mongolia in 1169 AD
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  • inspectorknuckleheadinspectorknucklehead Member Posts: 81 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The American sniper "Jackson" (I think) in "Saving Private Ryan" stated that he could pop Adolph Hitler from a mile away.



    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" Luke 22:36
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  • MrNathanLeeMrNathanLee Member Posts: 68 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    if it was enemy at the gates then yes it was most likely 7.62x54 and if it was saving pvt ryan then it was most likely 30-06 (7.62x63 i believe) but i know for sure i could not hit a man sized target at one mile with either of those rounds or even a 50 for that matter unlyss i went through about 6 months of training and it was a still target and there was minimal wind.

    Gun control is being able to hit your target...Enemy Down
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    The rifles that Russian Snipers of that era used are mostly Mosin/Nagant 91/30's chambered for 7.62X54R. The "duel" between the German and Russian sniper is a historical, factual event, recently there was a good piece on snipers, of which this story was a segment. The show ranged from Col. Berdan in the Civil War to present day use of the .50Cal Barret.

    Some sniper trivia-
    The term sniper was developed during the 19th century during the British occupation of India.
    Ghillie suits were developed by Scottish game wardens during the 19th century to catch poachers.
    Hiram Berdan (North) and Robert E. Lee (South) were the first in history to set up units of
    designated marksman or sharpshooters, this happened during the American Civil War.
    The Germans, during WWI, were the first to use specially trained snipers.
    The Russians were the first to employ snipers in two-man teams.
    Hisketh Pritchard started the first Allied sniper school. (During WWI in the UK, trained both
    British and American snipers.)
    Kipling devised the KIMs game for use by Canadian Snipers.
    The best estimate as to the average amount of rounds expended per kill in the Vietnam Conflict
    (For U.S. Army Soldiers) is 200,000. The average rounds expended per kill by U.S. Army
    snipers in Vietnam was 1.3
    The first U.S. Army sniper school was set up in 1954-55 during the Korean war (though after the
    cease fire) by the AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit)
    The current U.S. Army sniper school was established in 1987
    There is a sign at the USMC sniper school that reads "The average rounds expended per kill with
    the M16 in Vietnam was 50,000. Snipers averaged 1.3 rounds. The cost difference was $2300
    v. 27 cents."
    In World War II, German snipers recieved the following rewards:
    50 Kills - Wrist Watch
    100 Kills - Hunting Rifle
    150 Kills - A personal hunting trip with Heinrich Himmler
    The U.S. Army determined that the average soldier will only hit a man size target 10% of the time
    at 300 meters with the M16A2 rifle. The U.S. Army standard for snipers is to hit 90% first
    round hits at 600 meters with the M24 SWS. That is at least an 1800% improvement over the
    average soldier.
    The most kills achieved my a female sniper was by Lyudmila M. Pavlichenko, a Russian sniper in
    WWII. She is credited with killing 309 enemy soldiers.

    One of the best sniper pages out there is :http://www.snipercentral.com/index.phtml, (That's where I stole the trivia!)

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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great info. You think that the military would spend more time training someone how to shoot. When I went through Basic we got two weeks and in those two weeks we probably shot less than 100 rounds. I don't see where anyone can get comfortable shooting 100 rounds. I think they should have more practice. When I was in the only thing that mattered was your P.T. score. If you didn't get above a 260 you were worthless. Priorities, would you rather have a soldier who could shoot the enemy or would you rather have one who could run away real fast once you were overtaken?
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, read somewhere that the german sniper favored the mauser in 7.92x57 with a scope. and most were officers, whereas in the other armies they are usually enlisted. respt submitted dads-freehold

    if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Weren't the Canadians using a purpose built Macmillan, where Carlos had a jury rigged Unertle on an M2?
    John

    I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The firearms consultant has it right, that's why he's a consultant! Not to take away from those shots made at extreme distances but the "one shot one kill" motto does not normally apply.



    If you have one shot...Accu-Shot Website
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  • cowdoccowdoc Member Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read a new paper article on the candian sniper who set the record...i got to it by a link posted at forddeisel.com site early last spring. it was quite an interesting article. but later read the guy got into some trouble with the candian millitary i dont remember what the deal was, but i think he got a court martial or what ever the canadians call it and didnt get a medal but the us goverment offered a medal to the guy.
    anyways it was a very interesting news article.
    doc
    on edit. i think the guy got into trouble because of the calling card they left with the luck winner of the 50 cal bullet because they took a picture of the guy with his kill and also had somthing to do with a chaplin. after they got back.

    Edited by - cowdoc on 09/12/2002 23:43:25
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