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5 Rules of Conceal and Carry (like a pistol)

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
5 Rules of Conceal and Carry (like a pistol)
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* YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY.

Draw it solely in preparation to protect yourself or an innocent third party from the wrongful and criminal activities of another.


* KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON.

A criminal adversary must have or reasonably appear to have:

A. The ABILITY to inflict serious * injury. He is armed or reasonably appears to be armed.

B. The OPPORTUNITY to inflict serious * harm. He is positioned to harm you with his weapon, and,

C. His INTENT (hostile actions or words) indicates that he means to place you in jeopardy - to do you serious or fatal physical harm.

When all three of these "attack potential" elements are in place simultaneously, then you are facing a reasonably perceived deadly threat that justifies an emergency deadly force response. Note that these conditions may be defined differently in certain circumstances. For example, a small woman may be justified in using deadly force with a handgun against a much stronger male who is unarmed and attempting to rape or kill her. For a male vs. male encounter the defendant probably would not be justified unless possibly if he was physically handicapped, elderly, etc. This is known as disparity of force.


3. IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN!

Just because you are armed doesn't necessarily mean that you must confront a bad guy at gunpoint. Develop your situation awareness skills so that you can be alert to detect and avoid trouble as much as possible. Keep in mind that if you successfully evade a potential confrontation, the single negative consequence involved might only be your bruised ego, which should heal quickly with mature rationalization. But if you force a confrontation, and it escalates into deadly force, you risk the possibility of death or serious injury to yourself and any friends, family members, or innocent bystanders that may be present.

Also you face the possibility of criminal liability and/or financial ruin from a civil lawsuit as a result of your actions. Flee if you can - fight only as a last resort.

Naturally, there are circumstances in which you may be able to flee but it would not be in your best interest or judgment to do so. For example, a situation that you could easily flee from when alone may be difficult to safely avoid if your family was with you. Also it may be a judgment/ethics call on whether or not to fight or flee based on what is happening to potential victims around you.

For example, a gunman may be threatening the life of someone else and not even notice you. If you leave the scene, and go call 911 and just wait for the police to show up, you may have to deal with guilt and emotional issues that result if the gunman kills someone. In contrast, if you intervene, then you may risk your own life. Remember that self-preservation, and keeping your loved ones safe should be your first priorities. Always remember to stay calm and quickly analyze the situation at hand. Use good judgment on how you will react to any given circumstance.


4. DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.

You should expect to be arrested by police at gunpoint, and be charged with a crime anytime your concealed handgun is seen by another citizen in public, regardless of how unintentional, innocent, or justified the situation might seem.

Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times. You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed weapon. He of she might become alarmed and report you as a "man or woman with a gun". Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might maliciously embellish their story in an attempt to have your gun seized by police or in order to get you arrested. Even though your jacket only blew open for a moment, giving a brief glimpse of your gun, that person may tell the police that you were waving it around like a homicidal maniac. An alarmed citizen who reports a "man or woman with a gun" is going to be a lot more credible to police than you are when you are stopped because you match the "suspect's" description and you are found to have a concealed handgun in your possession. Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself "is this worth going to jail for?" The only time this question should warrant a "yes" response is when an adversary has at least both the ABILITY and INTENT and is actively seeking the OPPORTUNITY to do you great harm.

Also, remember that proper concealment of a weapon is more than just covering it up so that it is not physically visible. You want to remove as much as possible any signs that you are armed. For example, you would not wear a tight T-shirt that shows the lines of your gun printing through it, especially if that T-shirt has a firearm related logo or statement on it. Also, a black nylon fanny-pack or a photographer's vest may, in certain areas or in certain modes of dress tell any half-educated person that you are packing a gun. It is also not usually a very good idea to let too many people know that you carry a gun. This fact should be limited to your immediate family and select friends who are "gun people" also. Please, for your sake and the sake of others around you - be discreet!


5. DON'T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU.

When you are armed, you must realize that you just lost your right to initiate ANY type of confrontation that could possibly escalate into a violent encounter. You must now have a very mellow attitude on life and your fellow mankind.

You just lost the right to flip off the motorist who just cut you off in traffic. You have to ignore the scumbag who just "wolf-whistled" at your wife/girlfriend. If someone wants to pick a fight with you, you lost the right to respond in any way other than a kind, friendly manner while walking away. As an armed person you must be more likely and willing to avoid trouble that an unarmed person would be. You have the legal and moral obligation of de-escalating any situation that you are presented with unless you are faced by someone displaying all three of the "attack potential" elements. Carrying a loaded firearm among your fellow citizens is an awesome responsibility that is not to be taken lightly.

Remember, once you strap on your weapon, you must carry with it a great measure of discretion and judgment, along with an easy-going attitude.
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"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

Comments

  • Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    Thanks, glad you posted these....Hope you don't mind, if I borrow these...

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Laws vary from state to state, but these rules just about cover it. There are really two actions that a gun is considered in. This letter cover "Deadly Force". There is also a lesser action called "Threat of Deadly Force". One is the actual use of the weapon, the other is the act of being willing to use the weapon if and only if the situation escalates to that point. Some would call it "brandishing" a gun. Some states have no provisions for this action, and a CCW holder should know not only the laws of his state, but the laws of any states that have a resiprocity agreement with his state, and if he might carry in that state at any time.

    Some states CCW laws actually make it more of a crime for a CCW holder to make a mistake than for a non-licensed criminal to do the same action. What is a misdemeanor for the criminal may be a felony for the CCW holder.

    Lastly, I would warn anyone who has never been in the situation, you cannot believe how light the trigger pull becomes when you are pumped with adrenalin. If you haven't been trained to do so, keep the finger off of the trigger and stay out of reach of the subject. Back away if you can. You can move your finger to the trigger in a split second if need be, but you will, more than likely, discharge the weapon unitentionally if you keep your finger on the trigger during the confrontation.

    Josey, as usual, an excellent post. Thanks again.

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  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    I'm gonna print this out and copy it for friends!(I hpoe that's O.K.)

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very, very good. There used to be a guy hanging around our club that let it be known he was carrying. I told him that in this state if he were tapped for "brandishing" he could lose his CCW. He disappeared in a hurry.

    As for the * nylon fanny packs, I stopped using mine when they started getting "made" as gun packs. I saw a lady wearing one into a place of business one day and realized I knew she was armed. Now I only wear stuff that looks exactly like what Joe American tourist might wear. If it doesn't look generic and innocuous, I won't carry in it.

    The other piece of good advice I've heard is, plan on dressing for your gun -- you may not be quite as hip, slick and cool, but you've got to dress in such a way as to conceal your weapon fully and reliably, whatever that entails.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Also, the thing about losing your right to start something is absolutely true. If some guy gives you a hard time on the roadway, and you make a move to approach or follow him into a parking lot to "see what his problem is," you have just made yourself the primary cause of the subsequent infractions, in the judge's eyes.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The way "concealed" was 'splained to me (in WV) by the sheriff who issued my permit was: "If no one can SEE the weapon, it's concealed. They may KNOW exactly what it is, but if they can't see it, you've complied with the letter of the law."

    Mudge the stealthy

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!

    Edited by - mudge on 06/29/2002 19:07:34
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    State of Alaska law allows the use of deadly force in felony arson situations.

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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some parts of this country are real sticklers about printing too. I used to carry my duty weapon in a fanny pack because I was required to conceal it and that was very difficult in the summertime being that it was a SIG P-228.
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Me too IDS,one time while visiting relatives in NY I was "MADE" by a county cop gassing up a a local gas station.This was when I would lug around a full sized 1911 .45 in a Galco combat master belt holster.He saw my firearm print as I bent to check my tires at the air pump.I had my wife and two children in the car with me and out of state plates,it was because of the out of state plates that he had cause to approach me(at least that is what he told me).
    The officer was very nice and he approached me in a very informal manner,simply asking me if I had a NY state permit to carry my firearm.I replied yes and asked for permission to reach into my back pocket to access my wallet.Upon his approval I did so and explained my dual residences,he did however ask me to come to his cruiser so he could verify the serial # on my pistol to the one on my permit.Funny thing in NY,all your NY state purchased handguns must be listed on your permit.Anyway he was very helpfull,he took the time to explain to me exactly how he "Made" me and gave me a couple of tips on how to further conceal my weapon(such as wearing an open outer front button shirt ,untucked).He also told me that in NY there are some police that will not take kindly to anyone other than LEO's carrying a handgun,whether you are licensed or not which was the basis for his helpfull tips.Now I realize I am well within the law in NY with my CCW,however that does not mean a bad intentioned LEO could not make my life miserable,if not for just a short time.

    This is why I am a strong proponent for keeping your firearm as concealed as possible,today I will think ahead of my movements so as to not give a clear print,well at least when I'm in NY.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - Josey1 on 06/29/2002 21:18:17
  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TENNESSEE'S LAW WAS WRITTEN AS A HANDGUN CARRY LAW NOT A CONCEALED CARRY LAW,SPECIFICLY FOR THE REASON MENTIONED ABOVE.IF SOMEONE SEES MY GUN THEY REALLY CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.WE CAN CARRY OPENLY IF WE WANT BUT THE STATE RECCOMENDS YOU DONT BECAUSE OF LEO HARRASSMENT.HARRASMENT MAY NOT BE THE WORD IM LOOKING FOR BUT YOU KNOW THAT EVERYONE OF THEM WILL WANT TO SEE YOUR PERMIT

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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Suddenly, that cc permit of mine doesn't seem quite so valuable. Great post. Trust it's OK to print it to show a few of my pals.

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  • RobinRobin Member Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Florida another legal use of a firearm is the prevention of a forceable felony. Probably not a great idea and you will most likely end up needing the services of an attorney and banker but you could be within our state law if a gun owner interceeded in a armed bank robbery, rape of another person, or kidnapping. These are situations that any CCW holder hopes to NEVER encounter.

    Unfortuately, a CCW holder in DeLand Florida encountered two armed robbers that entered a video rental store, the place of his son's employment. The robbers brandished a rifle, demanded money and made threats. There is now one robber that is heading to jail when he recovers. There was no hospital stay and no recovery for one robber. The CCW holder sent the best, several well placed 45's. I feel sorry for the CCW holder because of the trama he endured.

    The surviving robber was charged with first degree murder while in the hospital( the death of his partner in crime). The CCW holder walked but was visably shaken and extremely fortunate.

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