Idiots who require FFL to sell Black Powder Guns

bprevolver

There seems to be a "cult" of less than normal intelligent individuals who have started requiring shipment to only FFL holders for Black Powder firearms. Are these persons unable to read the firearm's laws which clearly states that as far as the BATF is concerned black powder firearms are not even guns? These can even be sent through the mail. Maybe it is because they are plain stupid or part of the "gun control" group.

Iconoclast

bpr, not my line of expertise, but I've understood that our good friends at ATF consider the new in-line BP rifles to meet the requirements for 4473s, so possibly the dealers are simply covering their tails? Lot easier to bust a legitimate businessman than to actually look for criminals . . . safer, too.

snake-eyes

That is odd that New Jersey requirements are so high on a weapon with no serial numbers 'eh? Just follow the rules and vote folks into office that would change them. Also write a letter to the Editor for your local newspaper, they love controversy.

*If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*

nelchris

ARE YOU TALKING THE LAW OR YOUR BIZ PRACTICES ARE DIFFERANT.IF YOU WILL ONLY SEND A BLACKPOWDER GUN TO A FFL I WOULD BUY ANYWHERE BUT FROM YOU.SORRY NOT

allen griggs

One source of confusion is that in 1998 ATF passed a rule that in-line muzzleloaders which used a shotgun shell primer rather than a percussion cap were considered modern firearms. The US congress intervened and made the rule that if it loads from the muzzle it is legally a muzzleloader regardless of primer. Nevertheless for a while a few years ago this ATF rule was the law and some did not realize the rule was changed back. [The exception is that T/C rifle that can use a muzzleloader barrel or a modern rifle barrel. ATF says this one is a modern firearm receiver regardless of barrel]

boeboe

someone told me that KA has the same law, is this correct?

To err is human, to moo is bovine.

snake-eyes

I'll bet pellet/bb guns are next.

*If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*

lokdok1

New Jersey is still one of the 50 states???

If you don't know your rights, you dont't have any!

Judge Dread

That is why the mafia makes so much money there !!!!!!


JD

400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )

leeblackman

I agree that some people just aint got no balls... I won't buy a blackpowder gun from a dealer who requires FFL transfer. I'm not paying for it when the law doesn't require it. And I'll ask to see if the dealer actually knows if the law requires FFL or not. If he says yes, then I'll tell him to find a new line of work. If he says no, and I ask him why's he do it. "To cover my but..." GET SOME BALLS....

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

salzo

This is why I will Never purchase ANYTHING from New Jersey-you have to boycott the state. Hopefully it will someday shrivel up and go away, and their disease will stop traveling South pennsylvania way.

"Sometimes the people have to give up some individual rights for the safety of society."
-Bill Clinton(MTV interview)

jo-dan

While much of what Mr. Mike says is correct, there is some
variance from dealer to dealer in NJ. For example, I can go
to one southern NJ gunshop and buy a cap and ball revolver
and only present the (4part handgun permit) with no NICS
and no 4473, another dealer will require all the paperwork.
Last month I bought a modern handgun from a NJ dealer who
made me do the 4473, the NJ handgun permit, the NJ eligibility
form and the NICS. The next week (8 days later) I bought another
modern pistol from a different dealer and only had to do the 4473
the NJ handgun permit and the NICS. Both dealers beleived they
were complying with NJSA 2C-39, 2C-58 etc, etc. The problem in
NJ (IMHO) is the state police(who enforce the gun laws), can be tough
to deal with and are hesitant to put anything in writing . I will
never hassle an honest dealer in NJ because they all have too much to
lose, and we don't have enough dealers here so as it is. So if I go
to Mikes shop and he wants all the forms for a cap and ball revolver,
I'd fill out the forms, if I didn't want to pay the $15, I'd do like
he says and go elsewhere, but I wouldn't hassle him about it.
Furthermore, most any NJ resident can go out of state and legally
purchase a black powder/ antique firearm with no paperwork; of course
when they bring it into NJ they do so at their own risk .
In conclusion, I must say that I support our licensed dealers here
in NJ with the exception of certain large chain stores and the few
pirates who are just out for the$$$. Remember, if the dealers go away
nobody gets any guns.
thanx from zydecojo
By the way I recently gave up my C&R FFL after 14 years because
of the hassle from the NJSP.

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