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What kind of self defense items can be carried

turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
With all this talk about being defenseless on an airplane flight cross country;and reading the "SPigs" post, got me thinking, What kind of self defense weapons can be carried aboeard airlines, like 9v electric shock treatment devices, or Hot pepper Spray.Does anyone Know, what is acceptable.The government shouldn't expect law abiding citizens to not be able to defend themselves in the light of the recent events.
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  • luger01luger01 Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Turbo-Nothing, Nada, Zip.Either you learn Kung Foo or (like me) forgo commercial air travel. I also don't believe the airlines can or will protect me. I trained with combat folding knives and always carried one on the planes. The knife gave me an advantage over any potential highjacker and a survival tool, in case of catastrophe.I figure that next, all passengers will not only be strip-searched and have body cavity searches before boarding a plane, but have to undergo all kind of high tech exams too.This, and still $6.00/hour bozos are hired to service the planes, who could be bribed to bring who knows what into the cabin.All the 'new security' B.S. is just that. Doesn't make flying any safer, but it's a good show for the ignorant public.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    turbo almost anything can be used as a weapon. Check your pockets - do you have keys? a credit card? a ball point pen? How about your belt buckle or the belt itself? A rolled up magazine can be used if you know how. We are all surrounded by weapons. Most people don't know that and don't have the guts to use them.
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  • arthur wellingarthur welling Member Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A decent quality ball point pen (or a few of them) makes a dandy stabbing weapon. A credit card with a corner sharpened can slash quite nicely and is easy to palm.A cup of hot coffee can blind, as can a cold coke. A flung jacket can tangle handsand a tossed magazine can distract.You are surrounded by weapons limited only by your imagination.Can you imagine the huge force a can of peas has when thrown at full strength? Try it.Only $.33 a can and you get multiple try's with each.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    I was sittin` at a table in a bar with a tough old boat captain who had been detained in jails in Central and South America for suspision of...well,this was a long time ago.He was tellin me of his adventures,and asked me "whacha thank`s the best weapon on this here tabe?"I looked over the butter knives,forks,spoons,try`n to figure out the answer to this trick question.I says... "Fork ,I s`pose,butter knives are kinda dull."He says..."well,if your up against about three,ya take the top off that there pepper shaker,slang pepper in two of-ems eyes,an come up with that budder knife in that other`ns face,then knock `em out wiya fist.Then go ta workin on them otherns.
    Will the last reb to leave flarda,please bring the flag?[This message has been edited by 218Beekeep (edited 10-01-2001).]
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  • Mark IIMark II Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What about them plastic "CIA letter opener" knives you always see at gun shows? I've thought about the possibility of getting one of them through, but don't like the thought of what would happen if I didn't. Anybody have a metal detector they can play with?
    "To meet with ill fortune is to meet with good fortune. To meet with submission is to meet an enemy."
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  • luger01luger01 Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well fellas, if you DO try to get through with a plastic knife/letter opener, or whatever you want to call it, and get caught, you are in for a tough time.First, you broke a Federal statute. You will be charged with a felony, and if convicted, you will lose your rights to own any firearm for the rest of your life.The operative term now is "weapon", NOT gun, knife, etc. Hell a pilot recently was disarmed of a nail clipper! And some of you think a plastic knife is OK?????[This message has been edited by luger01 (edited 10-01-2001).]
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay, I'm going to rob a previous poster's suggestion because I don't know who said it. Ask the flight attendant for a seatbelt extension and then wrap the straps around your hand with the metal portion on the outside of your fist. Throw some padding in there too. It will hurt like heck when you puch but one sharp blow may knock a guy out so other passengers can take care of him while you are screaming over your bruised or broken fingers.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In answer to the fellah who mentioned the magazine as a weapon, I've always doubted the technique, but have read of it in multiple sources. I can think of at least four that haven't been suggested, but will only mention one which I know works and would be impossible for Those Who Know Best to keep out of my hands: a pocket full of coins & a sock make a very efficient sap.
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  • shaneshane Member Posts: 882 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always been told that your mind is the best weapon of all! Seeing how I have at least half a mind would that get me in any trouble with the airport police???????
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  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    This crap about Tasers and pepper spray is an absolute joke. I've seen many people hit with both and been exposed to both myself. The problem with both is that anyone who has a determined mindset to accomplish a specific goal is uneffected by these weapons. Most people when hit with chem sprays and tasers will quickly rethink their options and simply give up due to the pain, however anyone as dedicated as a suicide hijacker or bomber is not going to be even slowed by such weapons. Arm the pilots, get back air marshals, let cops carry on planes, and allow CCW permit holders to carry on planes - all when using frangible ammo. Anything less than stopping these animals' hearts will not end thier terrorist attacks.
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think they should also take ALL booze off of ALL flights. If you can't smoke, why should ya be allowed to drink. After all, smokers can go w/o for a few hours can't a drinker. Then at least the booze and firearms is an invalid excuse. I think that people should have to walk thru huge xray machines too. Body cavity searches couldn't hurt either. hahahahaSeriously though, they should remove booze from flights, no reason for it. Then in reality it does negate the "guns and booze rag". Why about knockout gas, if you don't want the possibility of suffering the effects of it, don't fly. I would rather be knocked out then blown up. It would be the least harmful way to incapacitate everone on board. Anaphlactic(sp) shock is not very common either.
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How is drunk joe citizen worse than drunk joe cop? Neither one apparently has enough self control or brain power to not over indulge.
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  • Smoky14Smoky14 Member Posts: 531 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO NO don't outlaw booze on my flights. Having flown for a living and knowing what really goes on....I prefer to fly tipsey. Flying sober,as a passenger, is highly overrated.Hell flying is overrated.
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  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll go with badbob on the belt and belt buckle,wrap around hand and swing.Twins,I fly once or twice a month,get upgraded to first very often,please don't take my free boze away.Don't need it,don't always want it,but is nice to know it's there.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    "body cavity search",twins ,that reminds me of a scene from 'Beavis and Butthead Do America'...Robert Stack orders a full body cavity search on Butthead...a female cop takes him into the back of the police van...a few minutes later he is bushed out of the van on his but...and says to Beavis "hu,hu,hu,hu hu,hu,hu,I`m not sure,but I think I just scored".
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Have the airlines issue guns to the passengers, just like headsets. Cancel the booze.I really don't like flying unarmed, never did and hate it now."...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Remind me not to piss you off Saxon! Seesh...
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No kidding monkey! And to think, he's got guns too!!!
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dont forget a woman's high heeled shoe.60,000psi when it hits.Saxon have had some of the same traning as you.That rooled up newspaper will have you wondering if you will ever breath again.Now that I have to walk with two cains,I can promise you I don't feal defenceless.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
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