Scary Transaction.....Stolen Firearm List...

BlueTic

So I sell this Mauser 98 to a Great guy in PA I'm in WA. Money is exchanged and weapon is shipped. His dealer runs the paper work and the second serial # on the rifle comes up as a stolen weapon. This had 2 serial # due to the German overstrike for military use. The Guy gets to hold it for about 5 min then the dealer has to turn it over to State Troopers. It takes them 3+ weeks to find out that the serial# of the stolen weapon is from a Luger 9mm pistol. In the meen time I am invisioning black clad BATF Stormtroopers invading my meager abode and waving around loaded fully auto weapons at my children. The Officers there were good enough to call and say it was a numbers problem and released the rifle to the buyer. Man - can't they at least have a coded discriptor in thier data base to denote type of firearm stolen, instead of probably playing phone tag for weeks???????

ysacres

blueticI just saw a bunch of appachee attact choppers fly over and some very suspicious black ford vans folling them , headed your direction,Gaud I hope this dont turn into another Ruby Ridge.Run fer the border quick tic

dh

ysacres,your description sounds like my wife sending out a search party when I'm 20 minutes late from work!! Actually,I have a list of 15 stolen guns with serial numbers,from 1981.I look at every show in Houston and have never found 1.I did get one back from a pawn shop after about 2 years.I recently called the burglary division of the HPD and was going to update my records,address,work phone and so forth and she said that my case was so old I would have to come down there to do it.If my case is so old as she says and I need to come down there to update it then how would my serial numbers ever pop up in an investigation?

Old hickory

In 1994 I bought a Walther PP (used) from a big dealer in Rockford IL who happened to have a cocaine problem that he financed by taking guns out of UPS shipments and then reporting them stolen. Two weeks later the principal of the school where I teach showed up with a BATF agent who escorted me home and confiscated the gun and all the paperwork for it. He said that since I had a FOID card I wouldn't be charged with receiving stolen property,but I was out of luck for getting my money back. Two good things happened. My principal never hastled me again cause I think he was afraid I was some big arms dealer and - three years later the BATF guy returned the Walther to me since he said I'd been so cooperative!!! You can bet that's one Walther I'll never trade!!!

Txs

NCIC hits on stolen firearms DO contain descriptive information, such as make, type, caliber, finish and barrel length. I believe there's even a "free form" area to include other descripors not categorized, such as custom engraving.If you run a serial with no descriptive info it's common to see multiple stolen hits on different guns, all with the same serial number. You should then match up the descriptors before confirming it as stolen. This isn't rocket science and is well known to every LEO who checks items for stolen through NCIC.I'm wondering if it wasn't a Mauser manufactured Luger and they failed to read further on the descriptors. One way or another, the ball got dropped big time on this one. I would've asked for an explanation from the seizing LE agencies command staff on this one. It sounds like they need to be made aware they have someone there who is only doing half their job, with the potential to cause them major liability problems. Picture if an LEO had you on a traffic stop when this happened-you go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. Making them aware of what happened could save the next person some major headaches.

BlueTic

Thanks - I do think the ball got dropped somewhere. Maybe they still have to receive hard copy from the reporting agency. The Luger was stolen in 1980 in Chicago (of all places) they probably just delayed answering because of thier Socialistic Republic attitudes on legal firearms...

BlueTic

Ysacres - Thats ok - I dropped 2 of the Apachies with my Win model 69 .22 and open sites, then these guys started running around in my back woods and tried shooting my hound ("don't touch my hound I cried") I got a few with my .17 assault weapon. then they opened up and put a bunch of holes in my doublewide (yeah I'm trailer trash - but at least I got the wheels off) So I brought out the old Golf Ball cannon.......News at 11.....

ysacres

As tic defends the home land, known as the tireless 24 X 60, the barrel of the 17 heating up to the meltdown point. Snipers are everywhere in the woods, the lone chopper remaining aloft has spotlited the hound on the ground, as the crosshairs settle down on his prized tic, he runs to the rescew of his * tracker, scoops him up in a hail of 50MM cannon fire, and runs for the wall of rubber which once made his fort mobile. Retreating,regrouping,and reloading the golf ball gun, he sends a top flight 280 yards to the pin, and yells BLACKHAWK DOWN (fiction). Getting heavy return fire from the woods, he sprays the pucker brush with the sightless 69 and anilates any futher threat to the blue hounddoggie. With the pile of trash & rubber ablaze outside, they huddle next to a 55MM hole in the door to stay warm, wondering if the next stolen gun will will lead to the final destruction of the double wide.