City of N.Y. Rejects 10 Million Dollar Check

rodgerglide · October 2001

Mayor Giuliani rejected a 10 million dollar donation from a Saudi Prince because he said our middle east policy is what helped bring about the attack.Hooray for the mayor.This is another example of his leadership during this time.This Saudi idiot needs to go back to the repressive society he belongs to and good riddance.This article is on Yahoo..I don't know how to get it onto this post so ya'll will have to go there to read it.

royc38 · October 2001

Great! I stood up and clapped when I saw it. The world is slowly seeing why we are the best country in the world and they are just... well another place to live. That smirk on the prince's face sure changed in a hurry. I don't think he was used to that. HA HA Ha. Maybe if we just captured his country and took all his women, lets see what he looks like then.

landis · October 2001

Crush your enemies, drive their horses before you, hear the lamentation of their women.--Genghis Khan

gruntled · October 2001

What a great idea, piss off another rich Arab. All this guy did was try to help.

turbo · October 2001

Bad move, I say we should have taken the 10,000,000 in oil barrells and then tell the saudis to get lost.We sent our troops to protect those jerks during the gulf war, I hope they ask for help again, and we will see who helps them next time.The mayor of NY is courageous, and a real Patriot, in my eyes.

opentop · October 2001

Rudi's motives for rejecting the offer of the 10 million was right on. The Saudi prince who made the offer out of his own bank roll (he's one of the richest men in the world after all), is not a member of the Saudi government and had earlier said that the Sept. 11 attacks on NY and DC were partially a result of U.S. policies in the Middle East, particularily as regards Isreal and the Palestinians. Rudi, as most Americans would agree I'm sure, believes that such statements are completely wrong and therefore could not accept money from someone who seems to think we brought it upon ourselves. Way to go Rudi!

HAIRY · October 2001

Gentlemen--first of all, the outgoing mayor of NYC is wrong, w r o n g, WRONG. He deprived those needing help of $10M and then played to the audience in NYC. Please remember, folks, that the Mayor of NYC has little (if any) input into US GOV policies.Secondly, I agree with the Prince; I support the Palestinians, and we must re-examine our policies in the Middle East. Our ongoing approval and support to, in my opinion, a vicious State, will certainly do little to bring about peace in the ME. Before you flame me, please be sure of your historical facts.

It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!

oneduvall · October 2001

Before too many people get on the Gulliani bandwagon, especially if it mean any higher public office, just be aware: when it comes to guns, he's right up the with Boxer, Fienstien, Shumer and Kennedy. He doesn't support gunowners or the Second Amendment. I'll agree that he's done a fine job handling the mess in NYC, but please don't be mislead into supporting him for any higher public office, he's no friend of the Second Amendment.

turbo · October 2001

Israel as a sovereign nation has the right to defend itself, with as much force as needed, as often as possible.This country has thrown enough money around in the region to try and bring about peace, but the PLO and other Muslim terrorists organizations, have terrorized the people of Israel to the point that they have had to become like the terrorists themselves, without our support this nation Israel would not exist on the face of the earth today.In order to advance the cause of Democracy in the world, we must spearhead the call for individual freedom wherever it needs to shouted, all the nations in the middle east have represive governments, with a cast system of the very rich and the very poor.Israel is a free, democratic state under siege, fighting for it's very existence, if we are serious about fighting terrorism wherever it exists, the PLO ought to given and ultimatum, along with Iraq, Iran, Syria any other government that supports and would harbor that are bent on destroying the only, Democracy in the middle east. I said the mayor screwed up, he should have taken the $ and then told the prince to keep his opinions to himself, and shown him the door. However, since he didn't accept the offer, he did the next best thing.As for the Mayor, keep him in NYC, as far as I'm concerned, even though he's done a good job.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 10-12-2001).]

HAIRY · October 2001

Turbo: The Nation of Israel was founded by terrorism. They blew up the King George Hotel (housing British high officials) which was the straw that caused the Brits to say "goodbye". This along with the massacare of children, women, and unarmed men (who, by the way, did not resist the Israelis) during the 1947 war was another element in their disregard for normal standards of war. Their so-called democracy denies Palestinians who hold Israeli citizenship their rights. They continue to steal Palestinian territory (the settlements) and call it "for security reasons". The US furnishes arms to their army and air force and does nothing to enforce the conditions regarding the sale and use of the weapons.Israel has a right to exist but one questions their expansion on the blood of the innocents.

Andrew Adams · October 2001

Hairy,I would point out that the noble Brits caused the current mess in the first place by lying to both sides in order to advance a war against an already battered empire. The British did not need the help of both Jews and Palestinians to defeat the "old man of Europe." Additionally, deciding to promise the same piece of land, in writing, to two groups of people who hate one another is one of the stupidest acts of international diplomacy ever. IMHO, the Brits should be over there sorting this mess out, since they caused it in the first place.That being said, Israel is the only government in the Middle East that holds free and fair elections. We the United States got into two very messy wars in the last century because we support democracy wherever it exists. We are right to support Israel, and furthermore we should oppose any Palestinian state unless they prove that they are willing to set up their state in a Democratic manner. Furthermore, Israel only controls about 1% of the land in the Middle East. If the Arabs are so fricking concerned about Palestine, maybe Jordan or Saudi Arabia can cut them a deal on some land. This is simply the latest attempt to drive the Israeli's out of their rightful land. Furthermore, my opinion is that the rest of the Arab world doesn't give two craps about the Palestinians, it is just a big stick to * the Israeli's with.Also, since the Palestinians refuse to recognize the right of the Israeli's to exist, I wonder what the consequence would be of Israel announcing that the Palestinians no longer have the right to exist and should be eradicated. Isn't the old saying "What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander?"I would also like to point out that the thug Mr. Arafat is the first of the Middle East terrorists that wasn't dealt with properly. If we had taken him out in retaliation for his butchery in Munich, we may not be at war with Middle Eastern terrorism now. The PLO showed other Mid-Eastern thugs that they could get away with this garbage and we've had to deal with the repercussions ever since.

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gruntled · October 2001

Actually that is exactly what the Israelisdid & continue to do. There was a state of Palistine established by the same U.N. declaration that established Israel & theytook that away & drove out the people that lived there. They have spent the last 53years trying to exterminate the Palestinianpeople. The argument that they should give up their national identity & go live elsewhere should be turned around. Why don't the people who live in Isreal simply go backto where they were born & let the people of Palistine go home & live in peace?You need to look up the history of the Hagganah, Irgun Zvi Leumi, Etzel, Stern Gang& the Lechi. Just enter these terms in your search engine. They were connducting a terrorist campaing against the British DURINGWW II.

stanman · October 2001

It would seem even our learned historians are at loggerheads on the Palestinian/Israeli homeland issue. But, right here, right now, today, I am damn thankful to NOT be in bed with the palestinians. Furthermore, IMHO the smartest thing we could have done in recent history would have been to jump in with Isreal in 1967 and helped them stomp the entire Arab world into dust!Rudy should have taken the 10 mil, added that amount to the reward on Bin Laden's head, made it public knowledge thats how the money was used and told the prince thanks!!BIG mistake to turn it down Rudy, but you sure got lots of press coverage this way.The consumate politician.

HAIRY · October 2001

Gruntled: You know about the meeting between Pres Roosevelt and King Saud at Lake Timish before the end of WW2 where Roosevelt informed Saud of the intention to allow some Jewish survivors into Palestine? Saud's reply is a classic: "Why don't you give the Jews Germany?" "That's what we Arabs would have done."

Homer J Simpson · October 2001

First, great discussion, guys.Second, we do not live in a perfect world. Life is not fair. That is the reality. Every nation did things that, in hindsight, was wrong. Some did wrong on purpose, most did not.Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.Tune in next week for more cliche's. But they are true!

gruntled · October 2001

Hairy: Thought I invented that idea. The perfect punishment for Germany would have been to carve out a section of Germany &create a state of Isreal there. The Palestinians did nothing to deserve what has happened to them.

parisite · October 2001

So what's the solution HAIRY or GRUNTLED? I don't believe many of the 5,000+ exterminated knew half of what you two know let alone played a dynamic part in it and yet... Let me ask you this... what's the end of this war gonna look like. We bomb THEM, drive THEM out of their hiding spots and take THEM into custody... how will we stop terrorist thinking globally so that when we eventually let THEM go, THEY don't shoot us in the back?.. and that's assuming we round up everyone. v/r

HAIRY · October 2001

Parisite, I wish I had the answer, but I don't. Look at Ireland--that's been going on for eons, hasn't it? What's the solution there? Suddenly we recognize the problem because of the horrendeous damage caused to us by terrorists who hate us. Our government did little, in my opinion, to forcefully react to the Beruit bombing of the Marine barracks, the attack on Dharan housing, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc. It's just possible that this lack of forceful reaction might, just might, have encouraged the terrorists to up the ante. The WTC paid the price for this.Remember when Reagan bombed Libya? Quaddifi suddenly stopped his overt acts (possibly with the exception of the bombing of the Lockerbie incident).I support President Bush's promise--root out the terrorists and those countries who harbor, support, or give aid to them. Perhaps when there is no place to run, no where to find solace, then these acts stop.

turbo · October 2001

What if? What if?Harry , Gruntled quit living in the past, sure things would be different had Great Britain, and the United Nations not acted to give Israel nation status.Get past the fact as to how they came to be a nation, decent people don't condone terror, things that the zealots did prior to nation being establish are history. Our own country treated the native indians in the same fashion. I know of no Indian today that would want to go back to living the way their ancestors lived (especially those with casinos) in the days prior to the west being settled.The problem facing the world today is; How can we, end terrorism upon a sovergien, free nation.Especially, when their enemies (especially the Palestinians) are bent on fightin them, until the last Israeli is removed from the land of the living.Your views are skewed by your inability to critically examine the historical account.Great Britain controlled Palestine as a colonial territory, You know about the "white paper" deal. The matter was brought before the UN after WW11 and their ruling is history. You can wish and speculate all you want, nothing is going to change the facts. Israel is a sovergien mation.Israel will not be removed from the land, Palestine also, has a rights to the land (as the American Indian had on this continent) so, the only way to peace is not bringing up the past, but working toward a solution.Since Palestinians (because of their religious beliefs) is bent on the destruction of Israel and christians, Palestinians must be treated as terrorists, until such time as they renounce their terrorist views to achieving their goals.For you to support the Saudis and Palestinians is to support their (terrorists activities); in recent days this government has frozen saudi bank accounts that may have terrorist ties.You all can agree with the enemy if you want, but I say Americans don't need to side with the enemy during times such as we are experiancing today. Saudi Ararbia is not an ally of the US, but if you believe they are you are decieved indeed.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 10-14-2001).]

gruntled · October 2001

We must fight terrorism & injustice everywhere. I'm not too happy with bombing Afgasistan, not because they don't deserve it but because I doubt it will do much good. I much prefer the use of small ground unitsfor snipeing, sabotage & acting as FAOs (perhaps with lazer designators) fortactical airstrikes. But we must also realize that the present government of Isreal has absolutely no interest in everresolveing the problems there. They are determined to stall as long as possible to build as many settlements as possible & make them as permanent as possible. There is a solution. Sharon said they will not reley on us anymore. Take him at his word, we musttell him he has maybe ninety days to make his best deal or after that we will neveragain walk out of an international conferanceor veto a UN resolution against Isreal again. We will also cut off their money. IF we force Isreal to make a REALISTIC offerto the Palestinians & end this conflict then all of our other problems will solve themselves. A realistic offer must include all of the west bank, a portion of Jerusalem,control of the Dome of the Rock, reparations& some type of resolution to the right of return for those who were driven from theirhomeland.It should be noted that the 1967 War was a sneak attack by Isreal (which included theattack on the USS Liberty to disguise who started the war.) It should be noted that Egypt won the Yom Kippur War untill we stepped in & rearmed the Isrealis. Look up the Six Day War on the internet to find firsthand reports by Isreali officers if you doubt this. Also remember that the Chief-of-Staff of the armed forces was fired for complaining about the arrogance of the Isreali officers who were takeing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Andrew Adams · October 2001

I would point out to you that Israel offered the Palestinians everything that they said they wanted at Klinton's last peace conference, including a share of Jerusalem, and Palestine still said it wasn't enough.I genuinely believe that the only offer the Palestinians will accept is for all Israeli's to run lemming like into the Med. That being said, it is no longer Israel's responsibility to compromise, it is now time for the Palestinian leadership to take the bull by the horns and respond. If they fail to do so, then they should declare open war on Israel and have a genuine title match for full control of the disputed territory. In that case, I think we all know who would control the land and who would be seeking land from their Arab Brethren!

When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?

Homer J Simpson · October 2001

Turbo, I'm standing and clapping you on to victory.( If you dont wanna root for turbu, root for the Indians!)Oh, and Andy Adams is cool too.

gruntled · October 2001

Why do I get the sad feeling it's hopeless?On one side Christian religious fanatics complaining about Moslem fanatics & on the other Moslem fanatics complaining about Christian fanatics. God must be really proud of all you nuts.

Patrick Odle · October 2001

If you check your history you will find that all arabs had a hand in the 5 day war, some to a greater degree than others. The isralies were outnumbered 30 to 1 and still kicked the arab soundly in the backside in 5 days, the kept some of the captured land, simply as spoils of war which was legal even biblical times. If we desert Isreal and Tiwansimply because they are small and have larger populations against them then we willdestroy the very thinking and foundation of our democracy. the minute men were outnumbered but still beat back king george's hoards. the librel networks have long critized the Isralie army for shooting those poor rock throwing arabs. I say anyone that thinks he can get away with throwing rocks at me just try and welcome. In troubled times it's best you know your enemy.

Rembrandt · October 2001

Rudy should have taken the money, thanked the donors,.....then added it to the bounty for the terrorists. Use their money to hunt their own. That would have been poetic justice.

City of N.Y. Rejects 10 Million Dollar Check

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