ole time turkey shoots?

Hillbilly Hank · February 2002

Hi I'm new around here and I was wondering if anybody knows if they still have the old time turkey shoots where they tie a turkey behint a log and attempt to shoot'im with ther ol flintlocck hawg rafle. I saw this done on the old b/w movie about Sgt. York. can this still be done or will spca have to stick thar noses in?

favorite saying "it may not look pretty...but it works."

CAndres35 · February 2002

thanks to peta this is cruel and illegal

Varmintmist · February 2002

Still done, in easteren Pa, at a little gun club I used to belong to. Its a HE** of a lot of work. Charged 5 bucks per to clean and pluck.rules were:heads only exposedCenter fire single projectile ONLYstanding, unsupported fire (no sling, or tucking leading elbow in, no supports of any kind)Scoped rifle 100 yardsopen sight rifle 75 yards scoped pistol 75 yardsopen sight pistol 60 yardsbow (head only) 40 yardsbow (full body) 80 yardsANY blood is a kill, beak them, nick them, they are a dead bird2 bucks per try, 2 shots then go to the back of the line.My favorites were the 03 Springfield, never took over 7 trys open sights, mostly 3 or less, last 2 times I shot it was a 1 shot kill. 22-250 Ruger #1V last time was a 1 shot kill, never over 5.Try putting up a 1.25 x 2 inch target at 100, keep airspace under your leading elbow, then shoot.Then add a cold november day, 40 people watching you shoot, talking, turkeys head moving, (they would fall asleep when the sun hit em, dip out of sight, or they would keep looking back and forth). It was great. [This message has been edited by Varmintmist (edited 02-12-2002).]

UNIVERSITY50 · February 2002

my brother and myself were asked to leave the weekly turkey shoot after 3 week run of luck? we were both using springfield 03a3, must be the gun. boy, those were the fun days.

idsman75 · February 2002

I hate to stray from the subject but I was reminded of a humorous story when I read this post. An old economics professor of mine was an ex Army Ranger. He did some training in Germany once and his group was required to kill their own food which consisted of chickens that were set free in the woods. They had to chase them down and catch them. One guy got a wild idea and loaded up his M-16 with blanks and fired cleaning rods through the chickens so he didn't have to actually chase them. After everyone had their live chickens rounded up they held trials for crimes against the state and crimes of treason. After they "convicted" their poor birds and sentenced them to death, they would stretch the neck of a chicken over a stump and then make the other chickens watch the execution as they beheaded the convicted criminal with a hatchet. Apparently it was a wild time and the chickens that were forced to watch got very upset.

jdb123 · February 2002

hillbilly, the SPCA is different to PETA the SPCA is a very decent group that does alot of good for animals such as dogs and cats, before the SPCA came along the thought of prosecuting people for the misstreatment of these family pets was laughable, while PETA is just a bunch of wackos. the idea of shooting any animal that is tied up is sick i dont care how little of a target you have. by the way sick may be too harsh of word because alot of you guys are very decent and not sick but the idea doesnt sit well with me.[This message has been edited by jdb123 (edited 02-13-2002).]

CAndres35 · February 2002

I AM AN ANIMAL [PET] LOVER BUT; I CANT SEE ANY ANIMALS LIFE BEING WORTH EVEN ONE DAY OF A MANS LIFE IN JAIL. I AM MERCIFULL AND WOULD NOT EVER DO SOME OF THE THING PEOPLE DO TO THERE PETS BUT WE JUST HAD A MAN SENTENCED TO 5 YRS. FOR BEATING A DOG THAT HAD BITTEN HIS SON. THAT IS NOT JUSTICE IN MY OPINION. I HAVE HAD TO DESTROY SEVERAL ANIMALS AND IT HURT REAL BADLY BUT I SURE DONT THINK I DESERVED TO BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR IT. CARL

Big Sky Redneck · February 2002

jdb123, I don't suppose you would ever want to go to a slaughter house. If shooting a tied animal makes you sick that will definately bother you. Don't even say that is different because it is not. I'm a farmboy who has little feelings anymore about putting ANY animal down if need be, but a full blown packing house turns my stomach. Varmintmist Where is this turkey shoot, I wouldnt mind going.Idsman, That sounds,uhh ,,well....shoot they musta been bored!

If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.

jdb123 · February 2002

i just remembered i hate turkeys so nevermind to my above post about shooting them even though their tied up.

jdb123 · February 2002

7mm the diffrence is there is no "game" about slaughterhouses, people arent jumping around and high-fiving each other and waiting in line to take thier shot at the packing house animals like at a turkey shoot. its just killed when its the animals turn, although death is inevidable a slaughterhouse is a big diffrence between a turkey shoot.

Big Sky Redneck · February 2002

I don't see the difference, have you ever been to one? I suppose you don't like seeing people hunt and have fun at it. if you wouldve seen me when my daughter shot her first deer you would say the same thing. I was acting like she just won the lottery.

If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.

salzo · February 2002

A friend of mine recently informed me what a "turkey shoot" is. I thought he was kidding. I am a hunter, and a shooter, but I definately have a problem with a bird sitting there, with his head sticking out, and bullets whirling by him, waiting for the one thats gonna do him in. Im not passing judgement, but it is not something I would want to participate in.

Happiness is a warm gun

jdb123 · February 2002

7mm shooting at an animal thats TIED UP! isnt hunting we are talking about a turkey shoot the turkey is TIED UP! thats not hunting! you think its the same, as the way you cant see that diffrence between a slaughterhouse and a turkey shoot. and why did you suddenly mention deer, whos talking about deer? i dont have a problem with deer "hunting" just turkey shoots. you mention deer because you know your turkey argument sucks.[This message has been edited by jdb123 (edited 02-13-2002).][This message has been edited by jdb123 (edited 02-13-2002).]

Big Sky Redneck · February 2002

Now now now jdb calm down. Death is death. What you don't like don't make it wrong. IBP trucks in cattle by the thousands every day, they go to a holding pen with no water or food, then they are brought in single file to what resembles milking parlor latches. when they get hit with the stun gun they don't always die right away. they will kick and thrash banging off of the iron bawling their lungs out. they then have the throats cut while still alive and winched up by their hind legs and sliced open. Probably still alive! You want to talk cruel! Shooting a turkey that is tied up is no different! Go to Empire Kosher where the chickens and turkeys are killed one at a time with a blade. Held down to have their throats cut. Where is the killing of an animal good? You say it is one thing to hunt deer or even turkeys. You said and i quote;7mm the diffrence is there is no "game" about slaughterhouses, people arent jumping around and high-fiving each other and waiting in line to take thier shot at the packing house animals like at a turkey shoot. its just killed when its the animals turn, although death is inevidable a slaughterhouse is a big diffrence between a turkey shoot. it is ok to jump around and high 5 somebody when the animal is hunted but not ok if you shoot a tied animal? Death is death. Plain and simple, you can't justify slaughter houses which to me and even being a farm I say that is cruel and then say it is not ok to shoot a tied down turkey1 What a bigot! I used the deer hunting bit to see if it was ok to be excited about shooting a deer but not about shooting a tied up turkey. say what you want. This is just like many other arguments held on here. perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. have a nice night.

If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.[This message has been edited by 7mm nut (edited 02-13-2002).]

jdb123 · February 2002

YOURE THE ONE WHO SAID YOU ACTED LIKE YOU JUST WON THE LOTTERY WHEN YOUR DAUGHTER KILLED A DEER NOT ME! {YOU CLEBRATED ANIMAL DEATH NOT ME, THATS MY ENTIRE POINT}I CANT REPLY TO YOUR POST BEYOND THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILED TO GET MY POINT! MY FATHER WAS BORN ON A FARM AND MY GREAT UNCLE IS A FARMER , AND I DELIVERED CHICKENS TO A PACKING HOUSE WITH MY FATHER TO SAN ANGELO TEXAS SO YOU TRYING TO 1-UP ME WITH TRUCK DRIVING AND FARMING WONT WORK I HAVE BEEN THERE! I KNOW DAMN WELL IT AINT PREETY BUT IF SLAUGHTERHOUSES AND TURKEY SHOOTS ARE THE SAME WHY DID I NOT SEE ANYONE AT THE SLAUGHTERHOUSES JUMPING UP AND DOWN AND CELEBRATING AFTER KILING A COW, LIKE PEOPLE DO AT A TURKEY SHOOT! AGAIN YOU SAY DEATH IS DEATH NO ONE ARGUES WITH THAT, I SAY SHOOTING AN ANIMAL THAT IS TIED UP AINT HUNTING! WHAT PART OF MY POST DONT YOU UNDERSTAND. A TURKEY SHOOT IS A COMPETITON, PACKING HOUSES ARENT! ITS SIMPLE.[This message has been edited by jdb123 (edited 02-13-2002).]

Hillbilly Hank · February 2002

Boy have I opened up a can o'worms. glad to see y'all aint asleep. I guess the spca is o.k. maybe I was thinkin' of PETA. Glad to see y'all welcome a newcomer like myself. The Hillbilly

idsman75 · February 2002

First of all, acting like you win the lottery when your daughter shoots her first deer is NOT celebrating death. It is a celebration of a rite of passage for a youth who has now become a part of a dying tradition within the youth of our society today. This is one more youth that will join in the fight to preserve the hunting tradition when she is older and her peers are standing against those traditions in our legislatures. I used to work in a packing plant. I saw what happens to a hog before it dies. I understand that there is no way to produce the amount of pork that our society consumes without a mistake or two in the packing houses. I had a boar (tusks and all) come barrelling out of the shoot right at me because the stun gun didn't render it unconscious. Trust me, I had absolutely no qualms about planting the heel of my boot in that charging boar's forehead. If it had not been for the stress that it had already endured, one or both of those tusks may have gotten me. I'm surprised it dropped as fast as it did after kicking it only once. Sometime things just happen and you can't stop the entire line to lead one hog back to the beginning of the process because it escaped. Sometimes you have to cut its throat while it is still alive. That's life. In spite of the fact that I have no qualms about this, I also use this argument when my hunting priviledges are contested by tree-hugging liberals. A free wild animal endures less pain and stress and lives a predominantly free life until I harvest it. It is less cruel to take an animal in the wild than it is to buy a pork chop from the supermarket. I don't lose sleep over either method of putting meat in the freezer. I just like using my packing house experience to back up the assertion that I should be allowed to hunt.P.S. The Nebraska DNR is talking about protecting bears and mountain lions because they pose "no significant harm to humans" and are a rare presence in the state of Nebraska. Geez. The "diversity craze" is spreading to game animals now.

legn4 · February 2002

Welcome Hillbilly Hank ,some never sleep, it was about time for a worm can stirring

Work'n like a dog all nite

Varmintmist · February 2002

7mm, my email is posted, the almost PETA posts here make me refrain from giving details. If you Email me Ill get dates and the address, it goes off 3 times a year, Sept, Oct, and Nov. mostly 2nd weekend but Ill get the dates if you want. Post here, and tell me who Im looking for on the email.Kinda interesting that a traditional turkey shoot, the type that has been going on since before the U.S. was a country raise the hackles of some folks. Yes, you will see blood, I know thats hard for some folks to take, but meat comes from DEAD critters, not the supermarket. It doesnt sit around bleeding out. The prossesing is done by farmers who know about where food comes from. Just FYI, like I stated, ANY blood, is a kill. The bird is pulled, head is cut off, it is then scalded, run over a plucking machine, cleaned and cooled. Then you pick it up, take it home and cook it. Sorry, I get a little tourqued by folks who get on a high horse about stuff like this. That turkey has as much chance as a groundhog under 300 yards, or a deer under 100, none. They are going to die anyway, they are farm birds, get over yourself.Hunt deer with a flintlock only, lose the scopes, and multiple shots, and 2lb triggers, tuned actions, perfect ignition systems, deer drives, goretex clothes, tree stands, 4 wheelers to drag em out with, bedded barrels, ect ect , then tell me how fair your deer hunting is.

idsman75 · February 2002

Remember those turkeys that the President grants an annual "Presidential Pardon"? Yes, the President grants them a pardon and they don't get butchered for Thanksgiving dinner. It's all in good humor and fun. However, those turkeys always die within a year because they are not bred to live long. They are bred to die at a young age. Their genetics and the diet that they are given and the conditions in which they live pretty much dictate that their lifespan will be short whether or not the President "pardons" them. I don't see any sport in these "turkey shoots" but the animal will die very shortly even if he is spared the axe or the bullet. An animal raised for slaughter isn't granted any so-called "dignity" from the moment it is born (or hatched) to the point where it is slaughtered anyways. An animal raised in confinement for slaughter generally lives a pretty short lousy life and then dies. The fact that the turkey in question here is tied up probably doesn't make a wee bit of difference. It is probably more free tied up behind a stump than it is when it is confined with a whole slew of other turkeys. Anyone who has worked in a slaughterhouse knows exactly what I mean. However, I have no regrets. I'm making a couple of pork chops to have with my potatoes and veggies for dinner right now. I know exactly what that pig went through before it hit my plate. I eat with clear conscience. I think that the entertainment derived from these turkey shoots stems from pure idiocy and the lack of wholesome entertainment but I could eat a leg off the sacrificial poultry with a guilt-free conscience just like the manner in which I am about to eat a couple of pork chops.

Varmintmist · February 2002

Then dont go

ole time turkey shoots?

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