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Campus Crusade for Christ
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Given what you all seem to think about california, it may surprise some of you that the University of California actually has an officially recognized student club called "The Campus Crusade for Christ".
Now I generally ignore this group, along with all the other religous groups on campus (there are officially recognized islamic interest clubs on campus).
However, I thought it quite funny, when an online group on facebook (similar to myspace) created a group to parody the club "Campus Jihad for Allah".
Allah/Christ, both the gods of the two religions, Jihad/Crusade both the terms for holy wars of the two religions.
If an actual group were to petition the Government funded university for recognition/benefits(mainly use of facilities) under the name "Campus Jihad for Allah", do you think it should be tolerated? Is it protected under the first ammendment, or banned because it is government funding of a religous group (a govt. esablished religion?)
Btw, the online group doesn't actually support a Jihad for Allah
"If Davis can have a crusade for Christ, then we can have a jihad as well!
This isn't really an Islam-based group. I just think it's needed to point out the absurdities of other clubs on campus (nudge, nudge)."
Now I generally ignore this group, along with all the other religous groups on campus (there are officially recognized islamic interest clubs on campus).
However, I thought it quite funny, when an online group on facebook (similar to myspace) created a group to parody the club "Campus Jihad for Allah".
Allah/Christ, both the gods of the two religions, Jihad/Crusade both the terms for holy wars of the two religions.
If an actual group were to petition the Government funded university for recognition/benefits(mainly use of facilities) under the name "Campus Jihad for Allah", do you think it should be tolerated? Is it protected under the first ammendment, or banned because it is government funding of a religous group (a govt. esablished religion?)
Btw, the online group doesn't actually support a Jihad for Allah
"If Davis can have a crusade for Christ, then we can have a jihad as well!
This isn't really an Islam-based group. I just think it's needed to point out the absurdities of other clubs on campus (nudge, nudge)."
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"Holy War" isn't the only definition of Crusade.
It appears that many College students don't know how to use a Dictionary - mores the pity
An ILL wind blows from the West
CCC has been around for a long, long time, since about the 1970s. If you'd actually like to broaden your intelligence, you can read about them at their website http://www.ccci.org/
I was a member of CCC back in the late 1980s. It most certainly does not have a mission of launching a holy war against other religions. Its mission is to spread the Gospel and to provide for community service. CCC has its problems, but I can assure you that one of them is certainly not promoting violence against those who are non-believers.
Contrast that with jihad, which is holy war, and that many Muslims embrace the notion that non-believers are lower than vermin and should be exterminated.
I've heard that jihad loosely translated is struggle, and can be an inner struggle with morality/religion over temptation blah blah blah etc.
You can't deny the similarities between the two names. When you hear jihad, you think holy war, what do you think the muslims (particularly palestinians) think when they hear crusade? You know those three little wars in which nearly all of europe invaded land they occupied.
Im not saying CCC should be eliminated, I'm merely asking if you can support this group, would you support a Campus Jihad for Allah, whose goal was to spread the Koran via peacefull(if not annoying) means.
That same rhetoric you espouse about a crusade not neccasarily being a holy war, I have heard from muslim about jihad.
I've heard that jihad loosely translated is struggle, and can be an inner struggle with morality/religion over temptation blah blah blah etc.
You can't deny the similarities between the two names. When you hear jihad, you think holy war, what do you think the muslims (particularly palestinians) think when they hear crusade? You know those three little wars in which nearly all of europe invaded land they occupied.
Im not saying CCC should be eliminated, I'm merely asking if you can support this group, would you support a Campus Jihad for Allah, whose goal was to spread the Koran via peacefull(if not annoying) means.
Bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer.
Perhaps your peaceful Islamic friends should try to explain why, if jihad is nothing more than a personal struggle, are there cries for jihad whenever some Islamofacist gets annoyed. And, mind you, these cries for jihad aren't Let's get ourselves into a peaceful, personal struggle. These cries are always Death to infidels.
Islam is a religion based upon violence that worships death. It was founded by a warrior who lived by a warrior's code until the day he died.
Sorry, but the personal struggle explanation is total crap.
Im not saying CCC should be eliminated, I'm merely asking if you can support this group, would you support a Campus Jihad for Allah, whose goal was to spread the Koran via peacefull(if not annoying) means.
Given the current understanding of word jihad, which most Americans I assume would associate with terrorism, I dont think Campus Jihad for Allah would be very popular. I would not support any spreading of Islam myself, but I do believe that they have a right to share their beliefs peacifully on a college campus.
It appears to still be Granola - what ain't fruit, is nuts!
I guess the Billy Graham Crusade isn't about preaching the gospel, it's really a call to arms.
YEA, Right
So because the extremists use Jihad as a justification for war or something to that effect, Jihad always has to be violent.
Why then do you accept Crusade to be non-violent, when the pope sent millions to die in the name of a Crusade.
I do not encourage spreading islam.
To say the Islamic religion is intolerant isn't exactly true.
Whereas in some islamic countries, owning a bible is illegal, and will probably get you stoned to death, it wasnt always so.
What bothers me about islam is it is becoming more radical, not less.
Centuries ago, christians, jews etc, were treated as "people of the book" and were allowed to peacefully practice their religion, but they did have to pay a tax as they did not pay tithes to the church(or mosque rather, but you get the idea). Contrast that with now, where they will drag you around on the streets until you die.
Jihad from wikepdeia:
"Jihad, sometimes spelled Jahad, Jehad, Jihaad, Djehad or Cihad, (Arabic: #1580;#1607;#1575;#1583;#8206; #487;ih#257;d) is an Islamic term, from the Arabic root #487;hd ("to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle"), which connotes a wide range of meanings: anything from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to a political or military struggle. Individuals involved in the political or military forms of jihad are often labeled with the neologism "jihadist" or "jihadi".
The term "jihad" is often used to describe purely physical and military "religious war", through physical struggle. Some Muslim scholars say that this only makes up part of the broader meaning of the concept of jihad. The denotation is of a struggle, challenge, difficulty or (frequently) opposed effort, made either in accomplishment or as resistance......
Jihad has gained a negative connotation and reputation in much of the West because of its usage by various groups classified by the United States of America as terrorist organizations"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book
"In Islam, the term applies to monotheistic Abrahamic religion older than Islam who received revelation(s) (hence "book") from God. To orthodox Muslims this includes at least all Christians, Jews (including Karaites and Samaritans), and "Sabians" (identified with Mandaeans)."
"Islamic law
When non-Muslim People of the Book live in an Islamic nation under Sharia law, they become dhimmis. They are given a number of rights, such as the right to freely practice their faith in private, in return for state protection, and exemption from military service. They also have some responsibilities, such as the payment of a special tax called jizyah ("poll tax"), but they are exempted from Zakat which Muslims are required to pay. People of the Book living in non-Islamic nations are not considered dhimmi."
-Compare this to Saudi Arabia where you are not allowed to even own a bible
"There are many statements in the Qur'an that promote tolerance towards People of The Book. For example:
* And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."
"Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'r?f and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaq?n"
Not all the Qu'ran says (just going off the wikipedia site here) is favorable towards christians: "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by God..... (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Especially read this one:
"Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God."
Early in Islams history, the similarities between Chrisitians and Muslims was enough the muslims tolerated the Christians.
They did not tolerate RULE by the christians, but they did tolerate christians UNDER their rule. It seems now in most muslim countries, no other religion is tolerated.
I will agree most Islamic beleifs preached in the world today are downright intolerant, hatefull, and even "evil"
Islam wasn't always this bad, and I will argue it isn't neccasarily AS violent as it is today.
Bill Bright was helped by Dawson Trotman, the founder of the Navigators. For many years Dawson Trotman and the Navigators were in charge of training for follow-up and discipleship of folks who came to faith through Billy Graham Crusades.