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Afghanistam: Copied, not mine

nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,078 ******
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
This was sent to me by someone who requested that I post it here. His reasons for remaining anonymous are his own.None of the words is mine. I pass it along unedited for any who care to read it.Dear Friends,The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliantpeople I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we arein. -Gary T.Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:I've been hearing a lot of talk about, "bombing Afghanistan back to theStone Age." Ron Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing todo with this atrocity, but, "We're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyonewho will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult ofignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps."It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. Theywould exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban?The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that thereare 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Talibanhas been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by theSoviets.These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs.But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time.So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome anymoral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. Andnot just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks.Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistanwould have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements.It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean,but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
Certified SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Egotistical Rogue, Evil, Dangerous Racist Moderator of the General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Email davidnunn@texoma.net Jesus is Lord!

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  • PARAshooterPARAshooter Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nunn this must is making its way across alot of the message boards. It was on a Jeep board a few days ago.
  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, this has the depressing ring of the truth to it. I've laughed with everyone else at the pictures posted on the web of bin Lauden with a skyscraper up his *censored* and whatever else, but even a minor student of history like myself can't ignore what's going on here. "The sun never sets on the British empire", but they couldn't defeat the Afgans. The Soviets were the bastards of the continent, using fair means and foul against their enemies, but they couldn't defeat the Afgans. These people live to make war, and what's worse, most of the mom-and-pops living there would love nothing more than to just be left alone to raise goats, crops, and kids. Much as I would like to see most of the country reduced to a glowing crater uninhabitable for thousands of years, I cannot ignore the fact that most "ragheads" had nothing to do with this atrocity. America has a long history of "quick justice", and I'll be the first one to defend and even glorify that, but in this case, we are going to have to sift long and hard to find the bad 'uns. But even when we do find them (and we will), I don't want to nuke them. That would be much to easy on them...
    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltare
  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Like "We the People" have any say on the matter. Our goverment will do what they want to whomever they want, and we will set back and watch it happen just as we have done for years here at home. Our voices are muffled by the press and our actions are villified if they don't conform to our goverments political agenda. Don't get me wrong here - I am an American and proud of it, but the people of America can do nothing, but stand back and hope it goes in the right direction and also hope alot of our boys and girls come home after.
    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY(this includes politicians)[This message has been edited by BlueTic (edited 09-22-2001).]
  • WIN-COLTWIN-COLT Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kill them and do it fast I can't stand waiting for the government to step up and hit a grand slam on their taliban ragheaded *. They attacked us not we attacked them. I can't wait to see the bombs bursting in their air. Maybe we should start with their refinerys that should get some major attention after all they have been jacking up the prices on us for over a year now.
  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    22 September 2001Dear NUNN and others following this thread,Thanks NUNN for forwarding the letter from Tamin Ansary. And, yes, it seems to be making the rounds. I read it first on another discussion board.I think his assessment of the current Afghan tragedy is pretty accurate. Itsure looks to me like he has a lot of insight on the situation on the groundin Afghanistan as well as a possible historical parallel.I think that most of the world is with him in a sincere desire to see "thosemonsters punished."I would suggest, however, that those of us who are Christians, and who are trying by the grace of God to live our faith, should seek to rise above the "hate" rhetoric. Also, the labeling of people andgeneralizing them as "those monsters" and as a "cult of ignorant psychotics"and as a "rat's nest of international thugs" probably only helps toexacerbate the situation.While there may be some truth to these characterizations (and Tamin may knowmore about that than any of us), I still think that we need to look beyondthat type of name calling. We need to look so far beyond ... that we seethe sovereign God of the universe somehow accomplishing his plan. And we know that God grieves over the death of innocents.Let's get behind the international community and see them brought tojustice. The "women buried alive in mass graves in Afghanistan" and the over 6000 men and women buried alive in New York, Washington DC andPennsylvania should not have died in vain.Yes, "Americans will die in a land war to get Bin Laden" but it looks likethey (and people from 62 other nations in the World Trade Center) have already been dying. It looks like the world community (including, we are being told, several Islamic nations) is saying ENOUGH ... we are going to try to put a stop to it. Is it going to be costly? Sure looks like it will be. Is it going to take a long time? That is what is being said.Let's pray, as well, that options other than war will be considered and pursued. We know as Christians that war is not the ultimate solution.I think I can assure Tamin and NUNN (and others following this discussion)that the attacks, if it comes to that, will NOT be to re-destroy the rubble heaps. What would be the point of that? Neither would it be to kill the "millions of Afghan widows" or further injure the "500,000 disabled orphans." If everything has already been destroyed (as Tamin says) the military is, also, well aware of that, and the effort will be more focusedon the real targets.If as Tamin says, the Taliban folks "are the only ones who are eating," they've got to be getting their food from somewhere ... cut that source off.We did see, however, in "Desert Storm" that fanatical leaders have no qualmsabout housing innocent women and children in buildings or over bunkers thatbristle with military communications equipment or ammunition. And then theycart out pictures of the atrocities!We watched and kind of cringed seeing a cruise missile go down the smokestack of a building and then the four walls blow out ... but from the military point of view, the more accurate the missile, the better it is. Can bullets, bombs and missiles always be 100% accurate? They wish and so do I ... but that is not possible. I much prefer that coalition side uses cruise missiles to their Scuds anyday.(It is also pretty sobering to watch a jet airliner fly into the side of a building and then see it crumble to the ground. O Lord, help the people dealing with that disaster first hand.)I agree that we should do all we can to relieve "suffering and poverty [that] are the soil in which terrorism grows." I find it interesting to note that the US is (or was) the country providing the most aid toAfghanistan, and Canada is the country that provides safe refuge to the mostpeople fleeing Afghanistan.In closing, I would like to quote David, the Psalmist, who said in Psalm 20:7,8 "Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God. They are brought to their knees and fall, but we will rise up andstand firm."We trust in the name of the Lord our God. Maranatha ... come quickly, Lord Jesus. And until then, Lord, help us be faithful and faith-filled. Use us, Lord, as lights in the darkness because many are loosing hope and do not know which way to turn. Use us, Lord, to encourage them to turn to THE ONE who is the way, the truth and the life!Ton Fr?re, KenP.S. "A Bible falling apart, usually belongs to someone who isn't." C.H. Spurgeon
  • WIN-COLTWIN-COLT Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Blah blah blahI consider myself a christian also but what happened "to an eye for a eye". They will get ultimate justice on judgement day and if they are responsible as we all have been told that they are then we will just be sending them to ala or budda or Jesus or whoever sooner rather than later.
  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SO believe him and pay later.
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