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Would someone describe hate crime

96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
The guy in the LAX shooting spree it was reported may be tried under the new hate crime legislation. Who defines what a hate crime is? What scares me is this. What if a guy who flies the stars and bars is attacked by some crazed pervert. In the process, the stars and bars guy double taps and punches the ticket of the pervert. Will the stars and bars guy be tried for a hate crime? Maybe this has been a topic here before, if so disregard this post.



Edited by - 96harley on 07/05/2002 21:28:16
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WOW! A non-white-american-male is being charged with a hate crime in KALIFORNIA? I'm IMPRESSED!!!
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  • The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    96harley.......i'll bet your impressed now....your first reply was from......a Gay!!!.......

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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First, I don't agree at all with this "hate crime" business. The bad guy shooting or stabbing me sure as heck doesn't have love in his heart!

    But here is what it is supposed to mean: It is a hate crime if you have selected your victim primarily because he or she belongs to a demographic group that you don't like.

    The part I don't get is why that is any worse than killing or assaulting someone just because he as an individual looked like an easy target? As far as I'm concerned, I don't care why the perp did it. It seems most people (at least in my neck of the woods) don't see it my way, because the polls all show high support for "hate crime" legislation. The common argument is that hate crimes terrorize a whole ethnic group, not just the victim. My counter-argument is that crime in general degrades the quality of life for everyone.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Hate Crime Legislation = The beginning of thought policing.

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    The Democrates say it's any act against a gay or minority that they don't like! If you're free, white and over 18, there cannot be a hate crime against you! Special laws for the special people.

    Makes me sick.

    Hate is hate, and crime is crime. Period.

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  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been thinking about this Egyptian all day --- could it be that he's part of a group like Hamass, and they won't tell us until after the 4th. weekend is over? Did he go beserk because his wife called and told him she decided to stay in Egypt? Why did he have 2 drivers licenses with 2 different birthdays? The cops have had disturbance calls to his address, was it domestic violence or was he in a pissing match with the guy that flew the USMC and US Flags?. This whole thing stinks to me --- and I smell terrorists!



    Edited by - lurker on 07/05/2002 23:18:10
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  • jdb123jdb123 Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    did i miss something, uh, the guy that did the shooting in LAX is DEAD! he was shot by a security guard after being restrained. he wont be tried for anything.



    Edited by - jdb123 on 07/05/2002 23:28:40
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  • austin247austin247 Member Posts: 375 ✭
    edited November -1
    My argument is this...why should I suffer a higher penalty for a crime committed against one of another ethnic group than if I committed a crime against one of my own? Does the value of human life and safety increase simply because the crime was committed because of "bias and prejudice" against the victim? Apparently, the thought police have determined that it does, thus Hate Crime Legislation.
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  • Jody CommanderJody Commander Member Posts: 855 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hate Glocks.....and any other gun made from plastic is that a crime?
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    It is already illegal to murder, rape, burn buildings, assault, and so on. When someone is caught doing these things, he is subject to punishment. To increase the penalty because of what the actor was thinking is nothing more than thought policing.

    Suppose someone commits a capital crime, and did it because of the color of the victim. Do we execute him twice?

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently read something about a case in Idaho, where a guy and his wife were mugged, or the wife was raped, and the guy received more time than the attacker. under some hate crime legislation, cause he called the attacker a n@#$%^

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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry for any confusion maybe I heard the news person say the man would have been charged with a hate crime. Either way the media is what got me rolling on this post.

    I agree with nunn, this is the thought police at work. I've been called down by a defense attorney during trial due to the fact he asked if I could read the person's mind. How could I prove intent? Just another way to attack our liberties.
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  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Besides the "crimes-against-non-white-males" etc category, I don't see rapes being classified as hate crimes either.
    But I agree, a violent criminal has hate in his/her heart period.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Nunn is absolutely right on this issue. Even the idea of a hate crime is repulsive to me. If you rape someone, stab them or murder them, it makes no difference what your motivation was. You did what you did and should be punished for the act not the underlying motivation.

    Every time I hear the term "hate crime" used I clearly speak out against it and my reasons why. I encourage everyone to stop going along like sheep with adopting/accepting/being quiet about the idea of "hate crimes". It is definetly the first step toward thought policing and thats one area this Lt won't go into.

    Lt

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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    "Hate Crime"- A crime commited by an actor or actors in such that the actor or actors in commiting the crime against another commits such, as to present themselves to the other a crime as explained in the "hate crimes" section of law described to be inacted to the extent of not expressing the feelings of love, but the acts of hate, in the act of the crime to the other by the actors, without due respect of friendship, and failing to appologize for the crime to the other, bla, bla, bla, bla...
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  • FitzFitz Member Posts: 258 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all, a Hate Crime is not defined the way the Democraps tell everyone it is. In any crime, premeditated or not, if a racial slur is used, that alone is sufficient reason to qualify it as one. One possible solution to this nonsense might be for a Constitutionally-minded DA to prosecute a minority for using a racial slur against a white person in a crime.

    Secondly, the real argument is about making every bad idea a Federal law. That is their (admitted) answer to everything... a complete disregard for the Constitution, specifically the Tenth Ammendment.

    Last, this just may be an attempt for the Socialist Republic of California to snuggle up against the ADL's butt and give credence to Israel's claim that it is a terrorist act, but time will tell depending on the guy's connections.

    Fitz
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    So if you dislike all people as a whole, you can never be charged with a hate crime?

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  • The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...Yes thats correct!...

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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hate crimes, About as descripetive AS Saturday Nite Special. If One person is killed by another, He will be just as dead if he is white, black, mulato,pink, pastel, or polka- dotted.

    Those who hate crime should abstain like me.
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