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Home's Occupant Shoot's Intruder

RegulajoRegulajo Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
edited December 2001 in General Discussion
Home's Occupant Shoots Intruder Monday, December 3, 2001 A Salt Lake City man shot and seriously wounded a teenage boy who was allegedly burglarizing his home Sunday afternoon. The unidentified 16-year-old was taken to LDS Hospital after the shooting and was in critical condition Sunday evening, Salt Lake police Lt. Jack Rickards said. At about 4:30 p.m., the 16-year-old allegedly entered the home at 1521 S. West Temple St. A 47-year-old homeowner, armed with a handgun, confronted the burglar and told him not to move. When the juvenile continued to move, the man fired several shots. Two bullets struck the teen in the back, Rickards said. The teen then fled and was found collapsed on the porch at a home around the corner. Rickards said the homeowner believed he was about to be robbed after receiving a hang-up call. The man sent his six daughters to hide in the basement. The family had been the victim of two earlier robberies. During one of those robberies, a handgun was taken, Rickards said. Salt Lake County prosecutors will determine if the shooting was justified and whether the teen should be charged with burglary. -- Jacob Santini
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It hard to justify a threat to your life when the burgler was shot in the back...
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he didn't shoot the intruder, that person may come back again without much fear. If in my house uninvited and turn to run when I say freeze - He would be shot too. How was the home owner to know what the intruder was going to do - turn and shoot him? Think about it, I know I can run and shot you from under my arm and you would never see the gun before the blast. This could easily happen. The boy was not suppose to be there and he knew it. The homeowner can't say "how old are you" or "do you intend my family any harm?" before he shoots. It is pure reaction. I am tired of the criminals getting the benifit of the doubt. Lock their sorry butts up and let Leroy and Willie use them as their love goats. I would be upset if this home owner gets charged with any criminal act. He was in his home minding his own business. If anything, he needs to find a bloodsucking lawyer and sue that's boy's parents for allowing it to happen. At 16, his parents are responsible for his actions. This type of legal action could start a new trend which could put a damper on some juvenile criminal activity.I never advocate violence, but come into my HOME to rob me or harm my family and you will be SHOT!
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Instant justice is the best kind. I wish we had more of it.
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shoot 'em so he won't come back?That seems like a pretty good deterrent for salesmen too.I suppose the next time someone grabs your garden hose you'll grab the 270 and nail em from down the block?
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Monkey - Go smoke another one or either you been getting them Texas cow-patty mushrooms and making funky punch and indulging yourself. A salesperson knocks at the door and I don't believe that kid was selling subscriptions to your favorite book club. Furthermore, if he wasn't intending some kind of wrong, then when he was told to freeze he should not have run.Monkey I hope the next "so called salesperson" doesn't pay you a visit. If he does and you don't shoot, then you need to just sell those guns you have been collecting. That "salesperson" would probably like to have all of them at NO COST to him and possibly a life cost to you.You are too young to see what all real life can throw at you. If your were confronted with the same scenario, I can see you now. So lets put yourself in his shoes.1st, you jump to your feet to see who was making the noise that alerted you to a problem, (glass window breaking or stumbling into objects in the house).2nd, you secure your children in a safe place. (Since you have no children you may not understand what it is to provide safety for them and in that small apartment of yours you will not have to wonder about in a large house wondering what is about to jump out at you)- now go back to what this man was facing, it is different.3rd, you get your gun and meander through each hallway and room wondering when someone might appear.4th, suddenly an intruder appears before you at close range, (Monkey pees in his pants as his hands and knees are shaking violently).5th, you yell, "Freeze" as you point your gun at him. The intruder turns suddenly and makes a move away from you. At that point, can you honestly say what you would do Monkey? It is all reactionary. Furthermore, if I fire one shot and he is still going, I am sure I will fire another shot not knowing if he was hit or not. Now tell me, how do you know if there are not others with him? You have no idea.Monkey, since you are a gun owner and this could easily happen to you, I just want you to step back and see the garbage you are saying. From previous post you appear fairly intelligent, and I want to give you the benefit of doubt. I hope you have not gone off the deep end.BTW - Monkey inside one's house is a far cry from lifting a garden hose from my yard. Also just for info purposes, I believe the law in Texas allows one to shoot someone stealing from one's home if they feel that by normal means they would not be able to recover the stolen items. I would at least give him 300 yards before I shoot to give him a chance. My 7mm mag is quite accurate. A garden hose, think I could run him down myself - hard to run with my big hose. [This message has been edited by Trader Dave (edited 12-04-2001).]
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Get with it Monkey. It does not say he shot him in the back,it says two bullets struck him in the back. How many times did he fire and did the THEIF turn to run after the first shot, etc...Throw in another scene, cop shoots suspect in home invasion, he gets shot in the side, now what. You have the same information. Except this was this guys house. Who cares where the pos gets shot. He is a criminal. I don't have any symphathy for crooks of any kind, because of the way YOU and many other people think, we have law abiding citizens getting sued because some pos gets hurt, bit by a dog or shot when committing a crime and they are winning.You cannot validate a criminals action to me, you also cannot say if a criminal has his back to you what he may have in his hands or what criminal murderous thought might be going through their mind. A home owner intent on protecting his family and his paid/paying for property or some pos trying to steal it..the home owner wins.
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  • cheezecheeze Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think there is enough information provided by the article for me to decide either way.
    Dragon's Lair Fighting Arts, Dragon Style Wind Fist Kung Fu.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only thing this fellow did wrong was tell the guy to freeze. If anyone burglarizes my house, I dont say anything to him- I shoot him.You have got to be a sick, demented, evil person to enter someones sanctuary that is there home. Entering someones home is a horrible violation of ones safety, and you deserve what you get. Now, because he told the guy to freeze, he has to deal with whether it was self defense, whether it was justified, blah, blah, blah.If someone is in your home and does not belong there, dont say anything, just shoot!!
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Amen Salzo
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Trader Dave,Actually it was meant to be funny, none the less, I'll get in there with ya...1. 2:40 am, Awaken suddenly and alertly. 2. Wife, asleep. 3. House quiet. 4. Odd, uneasy, scared feeling. 5. Patrol house, turn on and off lights. 6. House clear, back in bed. 7. Nearly asleep but odd, uneasy feeling growing. 8. Hair on neck raising, cold sweats.9. Quietly grab 12 gauge, and sit in view of only possible entrance way. 10. Nearly dozing.11. Shadow moves, vision narrows, stomach tightens.12. Small scratching noises heard, heart beats faster.13. Whispers heard?14. Wind blows, trees move, faint shadow outlines on window.15. Hand shaking, heart pounding, head swirling.16. Rack shotgun.17. Whispers stop, shadows lean... silence.18. Urgent whispers, Feet pounding, word heard "later..."19. Shadows vanish, scratching gone, nerves tense.20. Sleep none.21. Strange scuff marks on window. 22. Find Knife in yard,You were right about the peeing part, nearly wet myself.twins,"How many times did he fire and did the THEIF turn to run after the first shot"You aren't gonna run if your being shot at? Braver man than I.
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  • landislandis Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the house?After hours?Not invited?Who cares, they are dead. I just didn't see them turn around in the dark...so I shot them in the back. So what? I don't think you will have much problem in court.
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Monkey, I don't think bravery is the issue, and if it was I couln't say I am more brave than you or less brave. If given the option to stop and stand like a statue with my hands in the air or try to out run a bullet when I would doubt I would be shot in thoses given circumstances, I would most likely make like a stone statue. I am just curious why he did not freeze when ordered so.
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Monkey - I went through all of those steps a few years ago. First I secured my family and handed my wife the phone to dial 911. As I narrowed down the location of the noise, I came to the room where it was coming from. With gun drawn and pointed in that direction I sat on the floor to offer the smallest target for the intruder. I used a broom to fling open the door which was ajar. As the door opened, I heard a crash in the corner of the room. Scared to no end I sat motionless to see who or what was there. In a flash a saw this darn squirrel going up the curtians. I stood up flicked the lights on and yelled back to my wife what was going on. Yes I wanted to shoot the squirrel, not only for waking me up but for scaring the day-lights out of me. But I refrained.
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  • RegulajoRegulajo Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I posted this to see what responses would be.I don't think the article gives enough info either. I did note it was 4:30 in the afternoon that he entered the house.Was the 16-year-old armed?It doesn't say.When he was told to freeze he should have done so, lest he be shot.I am going to keep an eye on this case because of the ambiguity of it.Middle of the afternoon.Shot in the back.etc.. I'll keep you posted if I hear more but here is the link to the story, the same thing I cut and pasted. http://www.sltrib.com/2001/dec/12032001/utah/154451.htm
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does it matter whether or not the intruder was armed? Does it matter what time of the day it was? I cant believe these things can be an issue. THE INTRUDER WAS IN HIS HOUSE!! So I have to figure out whether someone who is illegally in my home is armed, before I can shoot?When I was in College, a friend of mine was sitting at his kitchen table at 200am, when he noticed someone was messing with his window. He grabbed a knife out of the drawer, and as soon as the intruder got his hand into my friends apartment, he stabbed the intruder in the hand. Cops said that since the intruder was in his apartment(only his hand, mind you)he would have been justified to kill the intruder.
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  • hackerhacker Member Posts: 162 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    monkey: seems to me i have seen you say this before. the part about a back wound means the person was no longer a threat. have to disagree. any sudden move by someone being covered at gunpoint has to be taken as a serious threat. if you are pointing a gun at someone who has broken into your home, and they suddenly spin around, it could be an attempt to flee, or it could be an attempt to draw a weapon. it could be a distraction to set up a physical attack. i don't know what the guy is doing when he starts spinning around after being told not to move under penalty of death. i have to figure it's not good. under those circumstance, my inclination is to shoot him.
    i never make misteakes.
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  • RosencrantzRosencrantz Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    1. You are a 16 year old boy.2. You have RAGING hormones.3. These hormones cause only half of your brain to function proplerly at any given time.4. You live in Utah.5. Your girlfriends dad is very Mormon and extremely strict.6. He won't even let his 16 year old daughter date.7. You met her at school and you two are very fond of each other.6. Dad doesn't usually get home until 6pm.7. You come over and are spending time with your girlfriend.8. Dad comes home early.9. You hide in Little Miss' room.10. She goes to talk to dad.11. You wait until you think there is an opening to make for the door.12. Oh crap! He caught you.13. It would never even cross dad's mind that you were invited in, his girls are perfect. Plus you just look like you're up to something, which you are.14. FREEEEEZE PUNK!15. Uh...uh...duh...gun...um...he's really mad...oh...um...what to do?16. Brain shuts completely down.17. Natural instincts kick in and say...18. RUN YOU HORNY LITTLE MOTHER F
    !!!!! THIS GUYS GOT A GUN AND HE'S REEEEAAAALLY PISSED! IT DON'T MATTER WHERE YOU GO, JUST GO! YOU'VE BEEN SMOOCHIN' HIS DAUGHTER! YOU KNEW IT WAS A BAD IDEA! NOW HE'S GONNA KILL YOU FOR IT!19. Thats all she wrote.Note: The article doesn't include enough information to make a judgement. Please ignore this post if it turns out the kid was armed and robbing the house. In that case, I say good riddance you degenerate piece of isht.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well if I was a sixteen year old thinking about doing a little monkey love with my girlfriend, and she invited me to the house, the first thing I would ask her is if her father owns a gun. If he did,or she did not know, I would A) Suggest to my honey I might come over for dinner with the family or B)Do some monkey love in a safer place.
    Happiness is a warm gun
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