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That had to hurt!
will270win
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Went varmint huntin' last night and got a few. I think that 22-250 needs to be loaded down some cause there weren't much left of the critters we shot. I thought a 22-250 was supposed to be perfect for varmints, now I may change my position on that subject and go back to my 223. You should see what that thing does to coyotes! Not to mention the mess it makes of giant jack rabbits.
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Edited by - will270win on 05/20/2002 13:49:06
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Leave em lay, the buzzards gotta eat, same as a worm...
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In the past I've hunted a little (for someone else's table, it usually turned out). I'm fully prepared to shoot an attacking predator, but killing harmless things leaves me cold, so I don't do it. I knocked a bird out of a tree with a .22 one time, and when I saw it lying there not moving I realized I enjoyed it more when it was alive in the tree. I'm not even sure I have the "right" to kill anything without cause. On the other hand, dog mauling in progress or something along those lines, I wouldn't hesitate to do what was necessary.
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I realize that both .223 and .22-250 ballistic tips do horrendous damage to an unarmored target hit in a soft-flesh area. They shoot very flat, very fast, and release a lot of energy when they hit.
I'd personally choose the .22-250 if I had a choice in the matter. They're a lot wider in diameter than the .223, and when used with FMJs they have much better penetration.
But on an armored target, you may as well be shooting a pellet-gun. They spread all their energy out, and that'd only make the vest more effective. Likewise for keyholing.
Nothing short of a heavy trauma plate will stop a .308 or .30-06. And even with it, I doubt he'd be in any mood to fight until his broken ribs healed.
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What do you mean alot wider? I may have missed your point and if I did I apologize but just incase I didnt miss it, the .223 and 22-250 shoot the same .224 bullet. The only two differences are velocity and downrange energy, and of course the case. The 22-250 is a 250 savage necked down to .22 cal and we all know that the .223 is nothing but a .222 case stretched by .060 and having a shortened neck and longer body allowing for more powder capacity. using a 55 grain bullet with a BC of .255 the .223 will produce an average of 3250 fps at the muzzle and 1528 fps at 500 yds. The .22-250 will move the same bullet at 3650 fps at the muzzle and 1777 at 500 yds for only a difference of 400 fps at the muzzle and 249 at 500 yds, the .223 will produce roughly 1250ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle and 284 ft-lbs at 500 yds, the 22-250 does 1582ft-lbs at the muzzle and 385 ft-lbs at 500 yds
The #'s will vary according to loads but I was only trying to compare the two to show there is difference but not drastic.
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Some of you seem to think the idea of shooting animals is terrible. Look at it from what it can do. I grew up in farm country. We had two main crops, cherries and milk, or dairy. Since I was 8, one of the jobs I had was disposing of the rodents. Rats can eat a lot for cattle feed and really eat up picked cherries quick, on the other hand groundhogs were even worse as we had to put down many a cow with broken limbs from hogholes, as we called them. Also amazing what amonium nitrate fertilizer and gasoline would do to the hogholes. We kept the piney population wiped out as they chased the squirrels(dinner food) off and ate too much cattle feed. We would hunt down the dog and coyote packs with speed so as not to loose cattle. That was real fun shooting. However, the best was the racoon shooting. A family of those critters could strip a cherry tree in one night. I didn't realize what they could do thill I saw two things, 1) a baby racoon got hit on the road one night. Didn't kill it outright and the cherries from his busted stomach were more the whole size of him. 2) when I shot one from a tree one night and had a HUGE ball of cherries come out of the tree, and I shot it out of a maple tree.
This may all sound creul, but it meant survival of the farm and was not inhumane. We hunted the usual rabbits, squirrels, deer, pheasent and such for food and never shot anything we did not eat, but one year I shot over 100 racoons full of cherries and I helped shoot down a pack of 18 wild dogs. They were varmits to us.
I know some people cannot stand or stomach the idea of shooting a "helpless" animal. Well, depending upon your view and where your are makes a difference. All are welcome to their views, just remember not to join PETA and try to foster them on those of us with other views. I will admit there is one thing I will shoot just to shoot - SNAKES - I hate them, (and remember most liberals are snakes).
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Edited by - S&W Man on 05/21/2002 01:07:27
I guess I prefer the "trench broom". Raccoons have long been a farmer's enemy, used to kill them by the dozen with noticeable results in the fields.
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As far as the ethnics involved in killin critters, I won't say much on that except this. I can kill ANY animal as easy as another man can pluck an apple from a tree, from pets to wild animals. I have no feelings when it comes to killing animals. Now I do get enjoyment from killing during a hunt. Thats just me, does it make me a bad person? I hope not. At the farm we may kill a pickup load of deer in a couple hours at night for crop damage, don't bother me a bit. Maybe I'm just cold blooded but killing is easy. About 10 years ago I had a pure bred German Shepard, named Nikki. I loved that dog to death but when she got sick and the vet said it was over, I took her home, went for a 1 way walk with her and ended it, did it bother me? I lost my dog, a friend but doing what needed to be done was easy and that didnt bother me.
Now there is one animal I don't think I could kill, a horse. Nope can't do it. Too beautiful of an animal.
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I shoot a 50gr BT over 36.7 IMR 4064, std either rem 9.5, CCI large rifle, or win, depending on what load I'm playing with, get around 3920fps out of my Ruger#1 V . The less left, the better.
Though I never exploded bunnies, I have made a mess of a bunch of groundpigs, and muskrats, and I dont have a problem with that. It is fun pest control.
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Edited by - Varmintmist on 05/22/2002 01:56:31
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