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Schumer Fumes At Gun Reversal

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Schumer Fumes At Gun Reversal
U.S. argues for wider ownership
By Elaine S. Povich and Tom Brune
WASHINGTON BUREAU

May 9, 2002


Washington - Gun control advocates, led by Sen. Charles Schumer, yesterday said the Bush administration's move to bolster the rights of gun owners under the Second Amendment to the Constitution could make it harder to enforce firearm laws.

In a reversal of more than 60 years of legal precedent, Solicitor General Theodore Olson argued in a Supreme Court case that the Second Amendment "broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service" to own and carry guns.

Schumer said this position runs counter to Attorney General John Ashcroft's sworn testimony at his confirmation hearing last year and could have an adverse impact on federal and state gun regulations.

"Has the Justice Department considered how state laws will be impacted?" said Schumer (D-N.Y.). "As for New York, we require strict licensing and registration of handguns. And for good reason. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if New York City had Arizona's gun laws, Times Square would look like the OK Corral. And that's not OK."

In footnotes to two legal briefs filed with the Supreme Court on the government's behalf this week, Olson, the government's top Supreme Court lawyer, emphasized that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals, including those not in the military, the absolute right to "possess and bear their own firearms."

The meaning of the "militia" clause in the Second Amendment has long been debated. It states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Justice Department spokeswoman Barbara Comstock said yesterday that the department "has a solemn obligation both to enforce federal laws and to respect the constitutional rights guaranteed to law-abiding Americans."

"In these two cases, the department has fulfilled its commitment to defend vigorously the constitutionality of federal laws which restrict ownership of machine guns and bar individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders from possessing firearms," she said.

Schumer accused Ashcroft of quietly trying to bend the law to his liking without public and congressional input.

"To make such a broad policy change in such a sly way is no way to make policy at all," Schumer said, adding that he wrote Ashcroft seeking an explanation. Ashcroft had expressed similar sentiments in a letter to the National Rifle Association last year. The NRA did not return a phone call seeking comment yesterday.

Matthew Bennett, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group that advocates handgun restrictions, said the footnotes raise questions about the enforceability of gun laws and, importantly, leaves open the question about whether new gun laws could be enforced.

"It's not clear what, if any laws, would fall outside that [definition] and would, in their view, be unconstitutional," he said.

During his confirmation hearing last year, Ashcroft acknowledged the different views of the Second Amendment but said as attorney general it was not up to him to resolve the dispute but to enforce laws as they exist.
Copyright c 2002, Newsday, Inc. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usguns092699770may09.story



"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

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  • JBBooksJBBooks Member Posts: 103 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fumes, to bad he is not combustible.

    JBB

    I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.
  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aw, gee. Is little chuckie angry? Did someone steal littl chuckies marbles? Hurry chuckie, run to hitlery and tell her all about it.

    PC=BS
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:"Not to put too fine a point on it, but if New York City had Arizona's gun laws, Times Square would look like the OK Corral."

    What an unvarnished horse's *. And a grossly ignorant one, at that.

    If New York City had Arizona's gun laws, Times Square probably WOULD look like the OK Corral; for the 10 minutes it would take for honest New York State gun owners to drive the dealers and pimps out for good.

    Sounds like the "bend over, grab your ankles, and give 'em what they want" approach to muggings is an all-encompassing moral policy for some people. God, it must be sad.
  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,353 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love it...Schumer is mad that Ashcroft is "quietly bending the law
    without public or congressional imput". Mr Schumer has been trying to do that for the last 20 years.
  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, but it is different when somebody beats you at your game...
    I love it.

    Have Gun, will travel
  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,353 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey SP, that sounds like the start of a great "Letter to the Editor"
    With your writing skills, I say go for it....
  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Schumer is a piece of * Nazi. Screw him and those who think like him.

    Bruce
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I try to avoid redundancy, but.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    That'll do. You get the idea.

    Mudge the vindictive

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe it will give him a stroke . . . we should be so lucky.

    Super post, SP!
  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...anyone remember Howard Metzenbaum?....Charles Schummer more or less replaced him as the gun grabbers lead man....when Schummer is gone there will be another waiting in the wings to take his place...

    Saxon, I agree that you should write an editorial stateing what was in your previous comments...New York Times perhaps, that should rile New Yorkers to a point not seen since John Rocker.
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can reply to the Editor at, letters @newsday.com.

    While I allready sent in my own views on this atter I encourage others to do the same.S.P.,what you posted above deserves to be heard by the residents of NY.Please take a minute to repost it to the editor,Thank you,Josey.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • poshposh Member Posts: 360 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Washington Post is pissed too. In an editorial today they opined that the Government won't be able to defend gun control laws as presumptively valid but only as "narrow exceptions to a broad constitutional right". They said,"If that's the model, most federal gun laws would sooner or later fall."
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Washington Post is right. So, what's their point? Are they just now realizing that the whole Rube Goldbergian gun control legal machine is about to shake itself apart at its rickety seams? Well, well, well....

    The Big Lie has been in place so long that many reasonable men began to believe it. It's not their fault. Part of sanity is dealing with things as they are. But of course we've always known that if the 2nd Amendment meant citizen militia, it also meant modern militia arms -- black rifles, hi-cap mags, short barrels on carbines, and the rest. We've always known that these things followed like the night the day the correct interpretation, or should I say the "black print," of the Second Amendment. I'd say we've been pretty well "infringed," in the absence of a Constitutional court challenge, over the years.

    I was thinking the same thing about the hypocritical Schumer remark about trying to sneak law past proper public and court review. How dare he make such a remark. His speechwriter made a cleverism with the OK corral not being OK, but that's all it is. Does he really expect that proper gun freedoms and concealed carry ANYWHERE are going to cause law abiding citizens to suddenly lose their moral senses and go off looking for Black Bart? What it might do is change the rules of the game for criminals in New York, and that would not be a bad thing, though it would certainly be something new. Perpetrators who live by working the system like a game of Monopoly are going to cry foul if they get threatened or shot while so doing -- too bad, eh? "Hey, he wuz s'posed to let me * the money! Now whad'm I gonna do when I * out the hospital, work? Sheeee-iiii...."

    Before we break out the champagne, let's all remember that the Brady bunch thought they were in heaven too until the Democrats lost the White House.

    As much as I would like to believe that 9/11 has finally brought thinking men to their senses regarding the continuing rock-solid validity of the Second Amendment in a life where social conditions are destined to change, I believe we will have to make our gains while sun shines rather than assume this is a lasting "sea change."

    The good news is that even the anti-gunners have been afraid of a thoroughly researched court case on the Amendment. The NRA has too, but only in a Democrat-appointed non-objective court. The founding fathers and the courts alike have been opining in our favor for the last 200 years. The rulings have never been codified into one overriding court decision -- instead they've been used in pieces, as debate references and quotes for the NRA as it fights the endless brush fires. The hopeful part of this current environment is that if we can get some of this new practicality carved into the law books while the getting is good, we can have some semi-permanent changes that the founding fathers would finally approve of. We can actually have a popular interpretation of the Second Amendment that is what they meant it to be in spirit all along. Or at least we can get some laws passed, sunsetted, and repealed that run afoul of the Amendment.


    - Life NRA Member
    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • rg666rg666 Member Posts: 395 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I find dishonor in lies and the perpetuation of those lies. Shumer has jammed inaccuracies and untruths down the American peoples throats for too long. Its nice to see him get a little shot of cold water reality tossed in his face. As far as the Washington Post goes, its a worthless liberal rag. The only thing its good for is lining my birds cage and he tells me every day what he (POOP POOP!) thinks of it!!! RG
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Of course, Schumer is in a lawless city made up of druggies, pimps,
    prostitutes and even worse. BUT, he must protect them for the vote for him. Do you expect him to allow law abiding people to shoot them?
    Hell no, it would be another vote lost. Crime, welfare, food stamps,
    and the likes are the big thing in cities with a certain type population. The vote counts. Same as in other type cities in the
    country.
  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    well....I thing mudge said it best...Have one on me mudge....

    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~

    http://travelor223.tripod.com
  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159
    edited November -1
    As being someone who lives in Arizona, I have to say it is one .. no, it is the best place I have ever been in the U.S.A. and I have been all over the U.S.A. The reason... because it is the closest thing to a free stste when it comes to personal rights. I have never had to use my gun in self defence. I can not say the same for freinds I know in cali. The more gun control, the more criminals are the only ones with control of a gun.


    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Seductiveone. Is it Dano or Dano's "angel"? Maybe I am way off and it's neither.


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159
    edited November -1
    will270win. I am sorry but I don't understand. Please explain.
  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159
    edited November -1
    If you are asking about the quote, I have no idea who said that. My bad.
  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Nevermind me, just help us stir. All together now...........


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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