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Concealed Carry Permit question? LEOs?
Ramtinxxl
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Was chatting with an acquaintance this afternoon. He had attended the local carry permit class but had not obtained the permit because he is a state employee and was told that to have a weapon, even locked in the glove box in his personal vehicle parked on state property, would be grounds for his dismissal--actually would be a felony for which he could be arrested. He said he didn't go enough places outside of work and church (concealed carry in churches prohibited, too) to merit him obtaining the permit.
Additionally, he said he'd inquired of a city policeman that he encountered at a local Barnes & Noble about "what if he DID have a permit and was packing and because of a stretch or stoop, the weapon was noticed by a police officer?" The officer told him he'd be asked to leave the store. When he asked "Why?--since he would be within the law, having a permit and not being prohibited by the store's policy?" He was told that the "powers that be" over the local city police force believed that the only persons who should be armed were LEOs--those WITH a commission and badge--and NO ONE ELSE. My friend countered that the "unwritten policy" stated was not in accordance with the law and that he should have the right to carry anyway, if bearing a permit. He was told that if he were to "argue" or resist the officer when told to leave, the police would "charge him with disorderly conduct" or "resisting an officer" and he could be arrested and as a result of the arrest--LOSE HIS PERMIT PERMANENTLY!
Do any of you LEOs out there know of similar "unwritten policies" in other departments? Do any Concealed Carry Permit holders have any stories to relate? Is this common? Are permit holders often harassed because of it? I'm just learning about these things and sincerely want to know. I was really surprised to hear of this situation today. Help?
Additionally, he said he'd inquired of a city policeman that he encountered at a local Barnes & Noble about "what if he DID have a permit and was packing and because of a stretch or stoop, the weapon was noticed by a police officer?" The officer told him he'd be asked to leave the store. When he asked "Why?--since he would be within the law, having a permit and not being prohibited by the store's policy?" He was told that the "powers that be" over the local city police force believed that the only persons who should be armed were LEOs--those WITH a commission and badge--and NO ONE ELSE. My friend countered that the "unwritten policy" stated was not in accordance with the law and that he should have the right to carry anyway, if bearing a permit. He was told that if he were to "argue" or resist the officer when told to leave, the police would "charge him with disorderly conduct" or "resisting an officer" and he could be arrested and as a result of the arrest--LOSE HIS PERMIT PERMANENTLY!
Do any of you LEOs out there know of similar "unwritten policies" in other departments? Do any Concealed Carry Permit holders have any stories to relate? Is this common? Are permit holders often harassed because of it? I'm just learning about these things and sincerely want to know. I was really surprised to hear of this situation today. Help?
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Also the fact that state employees are barred from even possessing a weapon in their locked vehicle on state property seems a HUGE infringement of 2nd Amendment rights. Do state employees cease to be citizens when they take the job?
That case up in Oklahoma with Weyerhauser--where the employees were fired when discovered to have hunting rifles in their vehicles (deer hunting season--plant in a rural area) still irks me. I'm hoping some level-headed judge (if there are any left) will get hold of that and hand down a REASONED ruling.
In Texas, "intentional failure to conceal," is a violation. An inadvertent slip, while embarrassing, is not a violation.
We have had no problems at my PD with lawful gun toters, at least none that I heard of. I think Dallas has had a problem or two.
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I think carrying concealed should in fact mean, that NOBODY can tell you're armed? If in fact an officer noticed that I was carrying a gun (which has never happened to me) I would expect to get thrown on the ground, and disarmed until I could explain why I had a gun, and produce the appropriate permit/lic.
So I guess you are against open carry altogether, huh? You're welcome to your opinion but the way you put it sure sounds a little "anti-gun" to me. You're essentially saying that anyone carrying should automatically be considered a criminal and dealt with as such until they can prove otherwise. That's just no good. How many people would really want to carry if they risked getting roughed up or drawn down on by every police officer they encountered. As noted above, in VA we can carry open without a permit and concealed with one. There are only a few places you can't carry. I think we have a pretty good set-up. Maybe other states should take note.
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