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Did I get robbed?

idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I managed to swing down to Springfield this weekend with robsguns and meet up with InstrumentOfWar and 13fister for some AD&D action, the Bass Pro Shops 2002 Fall Hunting Classic and a gun show. I didn't pick up much at the gun show other than about six magazines and a knife that I'll be needing for the field this week. One magazine in particular set me back more than I had expected and I'd like your take on whether or not I got taken to the cleaners over it. I have on "mouse gun" It is a Beretta 21 in .22 LR. The magazine that came with it feels cheap and doesn't seem to feed reliably. While I was at the gun show I found a "Made in Italy" magazine for this gun and recalled that the Beretta 92 magazines that were made in Italy are of higher quality than those made here in America. I forked out around $35 for this Italian-made Beretta 21 magazine just because it looked and felt like it was of better quality than the one that was packaged with my gun. Did I get robbed or did I jump on the last quality Beretta 21 magazine that they had at the show just in time?
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Found one on the net.. made in Italy... $17.70..

    http://www.mec-gar.com/mags/mgpb2107.html


    Lil' Stinker's Opinion
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Those look like aftermarket MecGar magazines. I was referring to the factory Beretta Magazines
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    idsman...
    I do apologise for that url.. guess I should read a bit more before I posted it...
    I did find another one... and I did read it.. *LOL... said MDS and non MDS.. non MDS are the offical beretta mags...

    http://berettapistols.com/magazines.htm


    Lil' Stinker's Opinion
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unfortunately those are probably the USA-made Beretta magazines. I do recall a distinct difference in quality between the USA-made and the Italian-made Beretta magazines. The Italian-made ones seem more desireable but less common and more epensive----at least as far as the Beretta 92 magazines are concerned.
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  • Spring CreekSpring Creek Member Posts: 1,260 ✭
    edited November -1
    You will find the "Italian" mags for the Mod. 21 feed considerably better.
    Better quality, just like the 92 "Italian" mags.
    I had saved 6 or 8 of the "Italian" 92 mags, even though I got rid of the pistol and probably never will replace it.
    Wonder what they'd be worth?
    email: springcreeknra@yahoo.com
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  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    That's good info to remember, the 21A is on my want list.

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    FYI: MecGar makes a very high quality magazine. MecGar makes the "factory" magazines for a number of pistol makers. Chances are, if the magazine is stamped, "Made in Italy," it was was made by MecGar.

    My SIG 229 mags are from Italy.

    SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net
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  • n4thethrilln4thethrill Member Posts: 366 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if you needed it and you had the money no matter the cost it is a good deal

    you can be king or street sweeper but everyone is going to dance with the reaper
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MecGar magazines are great! I had a FEG Hi-Power clone that was shipped with a broken magazine. I bought the MecGar magazine because they make Browning's factory mags. I saved several dollars in the process and got a magazine identical to the Browning "factory" magazine. It just didn't have the Browning company logo on it. The magazine that came with my Beretta 21A feels substandard. It was worth laying out the cash this weekend in order to feel confident that I was holding something in my hand that felt like quality. Like they say in the Army, confidence in your equipment is vital.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    quote:I managed to swing down to Springfield this weekend with robsguns and meet up with InstrumentOfWar and 13fister for some AD&D action, the Bass Pro Shops 2002 Fall Hunting Classic and a gun show

    AD&D?????????

    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Shootist-

    I'd also bet he plays his Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne albums backwards!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ids- Have you ever tried "Rifts"??? We used to kill entire weekends with marathon sessions of that game when I was in Korea.

    Matt

    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think AD&D means Advanced? Dungeons & Dragons?? I wasnt there, but he did mention playing the game after I'd left.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry to hear about the magazine problems. You should have consulted on the matter as soon as the problem became apparent.

    Mec-Gar made all the Italian magaines for Beretta pistols. Whether an Italian Beretta magazine is marked Mec-Gar or Beretta, either one is by Mec-Gar. I would be surprised to learn that Mec-Gar is not still making the magazines for Beretta (and Smith, etc.), no matter how they are marked. I suppose even Mec-Gar can let a bad one out occasionally. Is the "bad" magazine marked "Beretta?" If not, perhaps your pistol had the factory magazine removed and an after-market substituted.

    I sold a new USA M92 to a friend and one magazine (10-round) did not feed reliably. The problem was burrs in the rim area that were so severe that the slide did not have enough power to strip a cartridge from the magazine when the magazine was full. A few minutes with a file and stone and the problem was solved without a trip back to Beretta. Next time you are in the area, let me see the "bad" magazine. You might start by comparing it to the "good" Italian magazine and see if you can see any differences in anything.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JudgeColt--I'll check out the magazine when I get back to Iowa. As rounds pass upward in the magazine they don't always "align" correctly or go into their proper feeding position. I'm not sure if it is a spring problem or a follower problem. There just didn't seem to be the right amount of "oomph" behind the follower. The Italian-made magazine that I purchased at the gun show seems to be of higher quality and seems to weigh just a little more in the hand. It's not a major concern but I figured I'd throw it out to the peanut gallery. It isn't one of those guns where you'd fire off all seven rounds and go for a rapid reload. It's one of those last-resort guns that holds seven rounds. If you need more than that then you had the wrong gun in the first place.

    AD&D==Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. I was immersed in academics, athletics and jobs when I was in high school but my wealthy friends who never had to worry about how they were going to pay for college spent almost all of their time on the weekends playing the game. It was fun to watch and listen and ask questions but I never could invest the time necessary to get into their type of gaming. IOW, 13fister and I met under very unusual circumstances and it seems too perfect to call "coincidence". Within 24 hours of meeting we were sitting on a cold floor in WWII barracks at Fort Drum, NY rolling dice and getting deep into a fun little adventure that 13fister cooked up. The few hours that we spent planing AD&D this past weekend were reminiscient of those cold weekends at Fort Drum where you just didn't want to go anywhere (or couldn't due to road conditions) and AD&D just seemed to be the right way to fill time and spend time with buddies.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ids--
    You had a faulty magazine and you replaced it with one that looks and feels better quality for $35, not an outrageous price for a mag. I paid that for a couple of new Taurus' just a few weeks back. If it was the last one, and it solved your problem, just because you didn't get it at bottom dollar is not an issue. Chances are you couldn't have saved more than ten bucks by waiting for a better deal on a non-faulty mag (not enough to worry about), and this one will more than likely eliminate your problem. You made an educated guess that a good mag would solve your problem -- if you were right, then how could you have been taken? I'd have done the same, given that you judged it to be of better quality. The only thing more you could have done was loaded it with ammo to see if it acted better than yours before buying.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • CWatsonCWatson Member Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whenever I feel that way ,thinking I might have got it a little less if I waited I remember what my father told me."If you can't make it yourself for the same amount of $$$ it is worth it!"CW
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it fits the bill and you are willing to pay the price, buy it, becaues you will ALWAYS see it cheaper later. It seems that's what always happens to me. LOL

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    idsman75: I have a Beretta 21A with 2 mags both of them are marked PB CAL..22L.R. MADE IN ITALY ,, both work just fine every time I shoot it ,, as far as paying to much for the new mag just ask yourself this question, what is your live worth? if that new mag some day saves your life or some one elses, them the few bucks more you spent on it won't matter much will it?
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in an area where it's 'pert near impossible to get a CCW unless you have an incredible justification so it won't be saving my life anytime soon. However, I like being prepared for the future. I don't plan on living in Iowa for the rest of my life but it sure is a great place to visit if you like the outdoors.
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    well at least you have a small chance of getting one , here in WI there is no CCW at all nothing
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