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The better round?

jastrjastr Member Posts: 463 ✭✭✭
edited April 2002 in General Discussion
Wich of the 2 of these rounds is superior? The 45lc or the 44mag I know they are different calibers but they seem so similar

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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neither, the 22 Lr beats everything.

    Brilliant design.
    Unsurpassed speed.
    Light weight.
    Low recoil.
    Super accuracy.
    Honed precision.
    Incredible versatility.
    Total perfection.


    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

    Edited by - thesupermonkey on 04/22/2002 15:47:19
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Especially when fired from the munkey's Jennings!
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And don't forget the attached bayonette. That's what makes the thang a deadly weepon.

    PC=BS
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  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    Both are good rounds. The 44 mag comes in more available commercial loadings than the 45 LC. Not to mention the 44 special loads that are available. The 45 Long Colt has limited available loadings due to the numerous older revolvers and stupid shooters that are around. Hand loaders can crank the 45 LC up to about the same as the very hottest 44 mag loads. Corbon makes several good hunting rounds in 45 LC that surpass 44 mags.

    Boomer

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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    Jastr: I will have to 2nd the reply made by Boomerang, I have shot deer using both rounds and the 45lc did every bit as good a job as the 44. If you try the 45lc use the Corbon 265 colt +P 265 gr bonded core it listed at 1350fps and 1073 ft/lbs and was very accurate from my Ruger Redhawk if you reload try using Hornady 250 or 300 gr bullet
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    In fact I believe there is a short piece in the latest G&A Handguns magazine stating that 45lc is definitely not a +p or magnum round. It is currently being loaded by some makers to the higher end of standard pressures, and therefore these loadings are not recommended by the manufacturers for firing in older guns. But that is a far cry from magnum pressure.

    You can't look at two rounds and say they are approximately the same dimensions and therefore must be equally powerful. The powder used in the .44 Magnum is quite different from that used in the .45lc, even though the "cartridges" may be approximately the same size to the eye.

    The .44 Magnum is a much higher powered round by design. Even if one were able to fire the .44 magnum round in guns originally manufactured for .45 Long Colt, it would blow up a large percentage of them.


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  • jastrjastr Member Posts: 463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for feeding my curiosity!......

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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    jastr, I hope that you will explain what you mean by 'better'. It really depends on the loading and application. For example, let's assume a CAS load for the .45LC of a 250 gr jead RN bullet @ 700 fps and a hunting load for the .44 RemMag of 250 gr JHP @ 1400 fps. BOTH ARE BETTER

    If you are shooting Cowboy Action, the .45LC wins - you can't even USE the .44 but if you are hunting black bear, go with the .44, the .45LC would only irritate it.

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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    shootist and offeror: i hate to disagree with you guys but the 45lc will do any thing the 44 will, but you do have to make sure you are using it only in a modern gun like S&W, Ruger, Dan Wesson,Taurus and others , if you think a 45lc 265 gr bullet at over 1300pfs is to laughed at, them what is a 44mag 240gr at 1400 where is the difference? also your statement about the 44 not being used in cowboy action shooting is wrong if not there sure are a lot of Vaquero's and Marlin 1894 cowboy rifles in 44 mag for them not being used in cowboy action shooting
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    gskyhawk Did you READ my post where I said quote:jastr, I hope that you will explain what you mean by 'better'. It really depends on the loading and application. For example, let's assume a CAS load for the .45LC of a 250 gr lead RN bullet @ 700 fps and a hunting load for the .44 RemMag of 250 gr JHP @ 1400 fps. BOTH ARE BETTER

    No you CANNOT use a .44Mag JHP loaded for 250 gr at 1400 fps for Cowboy Action Shooting and YES, a .45LC loaded with 250 gr LRN will most likely just irritate a large bear.

    Go to http://www.sassnet.com/pages/shootershandbook.html#Anchor-AMMUNITIO-57200 where it says

    quote:AMMUNITION

    Revolver ammunition must have a muzzle velocity less than 1,000 fps. Rifle ammunition must have a muzzle velocity less than 1,400 fps. Ammunition suspected of exceeding these velocity restrictions may be examined by the rangemaster. Shooters may be held responsible for damage caused to a target or injury to personnel due to "bounce-back" because of illegal ammunition. This major safety violation is grounds for "instant disqualification" and ejection from the match.
    Revolver and (main match) rifle ammunition may not be jacketed, semi-jacketed, plated, gas checked, or copper washed. It must be all lead. Molydisulfide coated bullets or equivalent are acceptable.
    Revolver and rifle ammunition must be of "single projectile" design. "Multiple projectile" bullets are illegal.
    Ammunition with bullets recessed below the case mouth is disallowed.
    Throughout this manual, blackpowder means blackpowder, Pyrodex, Black Mag, or comparable propellants. Any combination of smokeless and blackpowders (so called duplex loads) is specifically prohibited.

    Any questions?

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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    shootist: Yes I read what you wrote, and yes you are correct that you can't use full house 44 mag loads with jacketed bullets but you said "you can't even use the 44", which to me was saying that you can't use any 44 which would be wrong , there are all kinds of loads using lead bullets at vel. less than 1000 fps
    you are the one that is trying to compare apples to oranges in this case, when comparing similar loads ie lead bullets for cowboy shooting or jacketed bullets loaded to full vel. the 45lc will do anything the 44 mag can and in some cases do it better.

    the only real advantage for the 44 mag, is it has more commercial loadings for it.

    [If you are shooting Cowboy Action, the .45LC wins - you can't even USE the .44 but if you are hunting black bear, go with the .44, the .45LC would only irritate it].
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