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SMALLPOX???

alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
Smallpox -- The next threat?By Wolf BlitzerCNN Wolf Blitzer Reports WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The anthrax investigations have spread from Florida to New York to Nevada and now to Washington D.C. and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's Capitol Hill office. Clearly, this is very troubling. But as several experts have pointed out to me in recent days, anthrax -- while potentially deadly -- can be contained by U.S. health authorities. What is clearly much more worrisome to these experts is another deadly biological agent -- namely smallpox. Here's what the Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Shelby of Alabama, told me on Sunday: "I don't believe you should be that worried about anthrax because it's very difficult to spread, to move around." He noted that's the widespread assessment of physicians and other infectious disease specialists. Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, agrees with Shelby. "I'm most concerned about the biological threat, including the threat of smallpox. I think that's the one that perhaps keeps me up nights more than anything else." Why is smallpox so much more of a potential threat than anthrax? I put that question to Dr. Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research at the University of Minnesota and one of the world's leading authorities on bio-terrorism. Together with John Schwartz of The New York Times, Dr. Osterholm last year wrote an excellent book entitled "Living Terrors: What America Needs to Know to Survive the Coming Bioterrorist Catastrophe." (Delacorte Press 2000) I strongly recommend this concise but important book. "Smallpox, the nightmare to end all nightmares that was eliminated as a natural disease in the 1970s, often starts with a simple fever -- the sort of thing anyone might get," Dr. Osterholm writes in the book. After a relatively long incubation period, it gets worse. When I interviewed him Sunday, he pointed out that smallpox does kill about 30 percent of the people that contract it. In the United States today, he said, mostly everyone would be susceptible to smallpox since few people have received vaccinations since the 1970s. If you did receive a vaccination 30 years ago, it probably is no longer effective. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says: "Routine vaccination against smallpox ended in 1972. The level of immunity, if any, among persons who were vaccinated before 1972 is uncertain; therefore, these persons are assumed to be susceptible." The CDC has an informative site on small pox. Just click here, to view it. Unlike anthrax, smallpox can be transmitted by people who have contracted it. "So instead of having that first event be the end of it, like it is with anthrax where no one who becomes infected transmits this on, smallpox could be transmitted on," Dr. Osterholm told me. Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating, a former law enforcement official who participated in the "Dark Winter" war game on bio-terrorism, is also an authority on the subject. He told me local and state health officials quickly need lots more training to deal with the threat of smallpox. He says the supply of vaccine needs to be increased right away. "Don't let an individual in Washington say that doctors and nurses, for example, in Atlanta can't have them, they have to go some place else," Keating says. "We have to have a decision-making mechanism that's prompt." Let's hope the threat of smallpox remains simply that -- a threat.

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  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anthrax,plague,ebola-those don't bother me.Smallpox gives me a shiver.It is very contagious.
  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    cpermd,You are a physician, aren't you. That is the opinion that every ID weanie has expressed to us. The Infectious Disease doc who gave us our lecture on bio-war a couple of weeks ago was saying that the doctors in the US wouldn't actually know what they were looking at, even after symptoms started, until it was too late.The scary thing about Smallpox is how fricking contagious it is. While the diagnosis lingers, everyone the infected person comes into contact with gets infected themselves. At best, Smallpox is incredibly disfiguring, and of course it does kill 30% of the infected.I would also point out that it was the first weapon of Bio-war ever used in the world. The United States gov't began giving Indians blankets from smallpox victims prior to the Revolutionary War.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Andrew, I've got a couple of things bothering me about your statement: "I would also point out that it was the first weapon of Bio-war ever used in the world. The United States gov't began giving Indians blankets from smallpox victims prior to the Revolutionary War."There are numerous (thousands) of examples of bio-war prior to the alleged use of smallpox-ridden blankets. It was a normal practice, during siege warfare, to catapult diseased bodies into the besieged town. Smallpox was NOT used because there was no protection until the 1800's (or late 1700's) when a vaccine was developed from cow pox.Second, prior to the revolutionary war, there was NO United States.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are of course right about catapulting dead animals over the walls during medieval sieges. However, I would not necessarily classify that as targeted bio-war, as they were simply hoping for the best. The animal was not specifically infected with any particular agent, they were simply relying on the poor hygeine standards of the times to produce infection. That being said, the giving of smallpox blankets to Indians during the French and Indian War at Ft. Pitt and other places is the first event I know of where a specific group of people was targeted with a specific biological agent as an act of war. If theere are prior examples, I would be interested to learn about them.Also, you are correct about there being no US prior to the Revolution. However, I don't think that detracts from my point. I would also point out that the practice did not cease with the end of the Revolution, and was continued for many years.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    And where is the vaccine now? doctors in my area don't have it neither do the pharmacies.They tell me because smallpox was done away with years ago that there was no need for it.The next best question is-If we get hit with this disease how long will it take to get the vaccine to the general public?
  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You guys are nitpicking.I am old enough to have seen smallpox and it is very contagious.My brother had it in 1961.We are also having a Pertussis outbreak here in AR at this time and I came down with pneumonia for the first time in my life yesterday.My residents hit the sample cabinets and I am taking 3 antibiotics and my wife sprays Lysol in this room every time I cough or puke.I hate being sick.cpermd
  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AlledanThere is no Vaccine
  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Smallpox...Chickenpox, whats the difference between these two diseases? Does anyone know?
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No vaccine, but if you can contract cowpox, you'll live and develop cross-immunity to smallpox.-another MD from MD
  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chicken Pox is caused by the Varicella Zoster Virus, which is a type of herpes. Varicella colonizes the respiratory tract following exposure, and is characterized by aches, fever, and headache, followed by the characteristic rash. Rarely is this infection life threatening, unless the patient is immunocompromised. This virus remains dormant throughout life within dorsal nerve rootlets and causes a relapse, known as shingles, within the area served by a particular nerve, usually when the patient is in their forties or fifties.Smallpox is caused by all strains of the Poxviridae (note: not a Herpes Virus), and is also transmitted by breathing the Poxviridae into the lungs. In addition to the disfiguring pox skin lesions, the virus causes several other problems in various organ systems. Due to the infection with the pox, other pathogens have a ready route of access to the system through the skin lesions, and the combination of infections is lethal about 30% of the time. No cases of smallpox have been reported in the world since 1977. This is due to two factors. The first is an effective vaccine which was widely used for nearly two centuries. The second is that the Poxviridae only infect humans, there are no animal reserviors for this infection. A point was reached when the only cases of smallpox were as a result of the vaccination, so the vaccine use was stopped. As I understand it, the CDC has kept ten million doses of the vaccine on ice for thirty years, and the federal government has recently ordered up another 40 million doses as a precaution against this agent.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Smallpox subjected to Biological eng produceda Bio-weapons agent codenamed BIGpox,no cure,no defence ,self encapsulating,resistant as archea to hi temperatures and more virulent than influenza . I can bet they sold the stuff to IRAN too...
    I judge Thee!, Not for what you are , but for what you say !
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The quy who doesn't fear ebola probably fears nothing. Nasty, nasty enterprise that.We contemplated dropping rabies contaminated bats over Tokyo.Clouder..
  • Krag96Krag96 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr.clouder, do you suppose it is too late to make that drop? or would PETA objections halt the project? after all, bats are far more entitled to life than some humans, and did you notice how fast Rev. J.Jackson vetoed the idea of being a "peace ambassador" to Afghanistan? is it his Christianity or his Masculinity that keeps him out of this? Jane Fonda has not booked any flights to Kabul either to my knowledge, wonder why?
  • ED PED P Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recall a similiar bat mission in WW2.The test was to put time delayed incindiary devices on them, drop them from bombers, allow them enough time to roost in structures they find, then have the incindiaries go off, but on the first test they found most of the bats froze in transit and dropped to the ground.
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