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.308 v. 30/06

SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Ive decided on the Savage 110 with scope for a good starter rifle. The question is, it comes in .308 and 30/06. They are both large rounds, is their a signifigant difference?

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  • SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Erm, sorry, ment to post this on ask the experts.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There really is very little difference at the muzzle. The .308 is 90-95% of the 06 in a shorter cartridge. The -06 has that small advantage in velocity, but also can shoot a heavier bullet, which may be useful and something large like elk. Either will work for most anything you choose, and there are a huge range of cartridges widely available for either. The .308 tends to a little better accuracy, and of course has a little less recoil in rifles of equal weight. I shoot a .308 and don't much like the -06, but I agree with Saxon that the -06 is probably the best choice for most.
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I own a Savage 12BVSS chambered in .308 Win. and to me the availibility of surplus 7.62 makes shooting it cheaper.I get better groups,about 1 MOA,with match ammo,but the surplus groups are good also.I am in the process of buying the same model chambered in .223 for the same reason. I do not hunt,only shoot for fun and compitition,so "big game" considerations are useless.Whatever you deside,I am glad I bought the Savage.I saved hundreds in comparison to a Remington or Winchester,and bought alot of ammo with the difference.

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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    There is a SIGNIFICANT advantage with the -06, figure 150 to 200 fps for every weight bullet PLUS the ability to handle the heavier weights (200 and 220 grains). Think of the .308 as a retarded .30-06 and you won't be far off.

    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis

    Edited by - shootist3006 on 05/26/2002 15:06:02
  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shootist3006, you wouldn't be predisposed to the round, now would ya?

    Seriously, tho, it is my understanding that from 165 grains on down, the .308 is actually better, but from 165 on up, the .30-'06 rules the roost. 220-grainers can put a world of hurt onto big critters. But more surplus is available in .308, as others have noted. There is still .30-'06 surplus, but it is drying up.

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  • Washington HunterWashington Hunter Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the 308 is a good cartridge, but if I was wanting a 30 caliber, I'd go with the 30-06. It's just better with the heavier bullets, like the 180, which is the one I would prefer. If I wanted a short action, lighter weight rifle, I'd go with the 7mm/08. With it you can shoot the lighter weight bullets like 140 and 150 and they have a good ballistic coefficient...these same weight bullets in 30 caliber don't have a very good ballistic coefficient.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey shootist, do you really think a deer can tell the 150-200fps difference at 100 yards? It is a significant difference, but not very significant.
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    He Dog, of course it can You wouldn't want to offend the poor critter by shooting it with a stunted .30-06, would you?

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Both are good rounds. I like the 30.06 better. Better variation of loads. Cheaper ammo.

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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Watch out now LTS may come in here and tell you that the .308 is for suckers because it is just a new fangled .300 WM in sheeps clothing. Oh and don't forget his soon to come diatribe on the gullable military,don't they know the .223 is just the newest,hopped up .22

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - Josey1 on 05/26/2002 22:03:09
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nah Josey, don't ya know that a .308 aint nuttin but a hotrodded 30-30!
  • michael minarikmichael minarik Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    308 vs 30-06: an on going but fun controversy. Rule out using 200+plus grain bullets cause you will probably never use'm any way! With new higher tech bullet designs and materials and new powders this heavy bullet...na....no way! Of course a velocity loss with be determined by a number of factors such as barrel length, primer used, powder used, etc. I doubt if at 300 yards any game which drops with a W-E-L-L placed bullet could (if possible) tell 'you' the difference between 08, 06 or 300 Win mag: "you kilt me with a ought-6"...heheheheeee. 308 will be cheaper to reload when considering the number of grains in a reload to achieve comparable velocity. Ought-six ammo might be more available in certain local's. The Ought-six will have more recoil. I have hunted with both...ready for this: my stainlss Marlin thutty-thutty will do just as well at 100-150 yards as will my 308 or 30-06....have a chaw on that!
  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A Springfield 30-06 was my "starter rifle." Since then I've had dozens of rifles in many different calibers--from mags to pee-wee's. Here I am 40 years later, with that same Springfield 30-06 as my primary rifle. It stays in my truck...and just like a trusted old friend, it never lets me down.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am a big 30-06 fan bacause I have a Mauser made in Oberndorf post-war in that caliber that I got, well used, in a gun store. This is my favorite rifle because whenever I have seen a deer that I wanted the Mauser has always gotten it. I needed 2 shots only once. There is plenty of hunting ammo available. But, today as I look at Shotgun News I see a lot more milsurp .308 out there. If a guy wanted to rat-hole a big stash of quality non-corrosive cheap ammo the .308 is better.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    250 savage, in the lighter weight bullets, the .308 is ALMOST as good as a .30-06 (He Dog even thinks that the deer won't know the difference )

    Allen, if we are to determine the better cartridge by the cost of ammo - then the .22LR is the BEST rifle cartridge there is - isn't it???

    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
  • SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    From what I saw on the net, 30-06 cost about twice as much as .308.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr 30-06 you are a man after my own heart, the way you are talking about the .22. I have a Ruger 10/22 and enough bricks of hollow point ammo to build a fireplace. Cheap, and lightweight. Now, if you had to have just one survival gun, for everything from shooting a raccoon for meat, to shooting a bad guy, cheap lightweight ammo, wife or kids could use it with ease, I can make a case for the .22. But don't let me get too carried away without reminding you that I do love that Mauser chambered for 30-06.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Daggumit, now how many times do I have to tell you that a .308 aint nothin but a hotrodded 30-30. Best thing to ever happen to a .308 is the 7mm-08. and to be honest with you, the '06 is overpowered for anyting smaller than elk. The 7mm-08 will do anything that .308 or '06 will do on north american game, 'cept elk of course. Don't even mention that .22, there are way too many guys on here that scoff at anything that has to do with a .22. Some guys need to shoot 200+grain bullets at over 5000fps just to enjoy life and they see anything smaller as ,, well you know what I mean.

    There I did it, y'all happy now?
  • TLynnTLynn Member Posts: 353 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I tend to prefer 30-06 myself, but part of it might be because I found the Remington fairly cheap w/scope, etc.

    I happen to like it a lot. Though that would not stop me from buying a 308 at some point.

    I've owned 308's before - of the two I'll take my 30-06 any day of the week.
  • gundawggundawg Member Posts: 32 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just my 2 c...
    for target, I'd go with the 308. Lot's of surplus ammo,
    less recoil, a tad cheaper to reload..etc
    But for big game hunting, the 06 is a much better choice.
    I personally know a half dozen locals who use 308 for deer, and
    they have my ear worn out with stories about "the big one that I
    hit but it got away".
  • NOTPARSNOTPARS Member Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have both and must admit sometimes it depends on my mood which I like more. But, I am leaning toward the .30-06 for hunting whitetails here in Missouri. It also gives me the versatility of hunting in Colorado when I visit my older brother.
    As far as accuracy, I bought a Tikka Whitetail hunter ($470 new in the box) in .30-06 and man you ought to read about how accurate it is. I am going to limber mine up this week. Now, you want to get another argument started, ask which is better, a 7 mm magnum or a .30-06? I went with the .30-06 so I'd have to sit that one out.
  • michael minarikmichael minarik Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7MMNut:
    "The 7mm-08 will do anything that .308 or '06 will do on north american game" try shooting a 180 bullet outta yor puny
    7-08...at a rabid, charging, bent on eating you...church mouse! Now chaw on that scenerio!!!!
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry Lik but you must have me mistaken for someone else.I've owned several AK-47's over the years,while I may have asked on the board about the parts count on the NEWER Romanian varients,I can assure you I asked for no help on buying something I allready owned.What is the difference if anyone asked about buying an AK-47?Since when did they institute the LTS law that one must know everything about every rifle to qualify to give their opinion.You seem to be one of those "can dish it out but can't take it" kinda guys,huh?Hey Lik,doesn't it hurt when you fall off that high horse?

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You had to edit 1 (one) sentance,wow you are special.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Sink in the gutter"? LIGHTEN UP LITTLE MAN,no need to get your panties in such a bunch I was just yanking you around.Man LIK,you really can't take it,ifin you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.I'm sure you can find somewhere where EVERYONE takes what you say as law and kisses your vertical smile.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also remember when you said you were boycotting this board.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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