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Councillor calls for vigilantes in gun ban UK
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Councillor calls for vigilantes Aug 7 2002
A councillor has repeated calls for vigilante action in his village after an armed robbery.
In a dramatic outburst, Rugby borough councillor Ron Ravenhall said it was time for Stretton-on-Dunsmore to fight fire with fire.
Calling for the parish council to give the go-ahead for nightly patrols, he said: "The law of the land says that you can use reasonable force to protect your property, so if people come at you with a knife you can use a knife; if they come with guns, you can use guns.
"An appropriate response for those patrolling depends on the severity of the attack. I'm not after a shoot-out at the OK Corral, but these villains need to know that they will have a reception committee.
"I'm saying to the parish council, the police can't cope, they are undermanned, but the thing is getting out of hand. We've tried everything else - we need patrols."
The comments by Cllr Ravenhall (Lib Dem, Dunchurch and Knightlow) follow an armed raid on the village's Shoulder of Mutton pub 35 minutes after midnight on Sunday.
The landlord and landlady were tied up by gunmen who stole a substantial amount of cash earlier this week.
Cllr Ravenhall first hit the headlines last year when he called on villagers in Stretton to arms, claiming crime was "spiralling out of control".
His claims were denied by police, who said his comments were not borne out by statistics.
Rugby chief inspector Mike Slater said today: "We do not condone vigilantism and we do not know where this 'escalating crime' idea is coming from.
"One very high profile crime will obviously increase fear of crime, but this Stretton incident was isolated and it does not mean an increase in crime. It was a very nasty incident and, hopefully, one that we will soon detect."
Cllr Ravenhall was behind a 3000-name petition for better rural policing sent to the House of Commons last December.
Stretton parish council chairman Ian Smith was not available for comment today.
http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0150swarksnews/page.cfm?objectid=12098224&method=full&siteid=50003
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - Josey1 on 08/08/2002 05:58:38
Councillor calls for vigilantes Aug 7 2002
A councillor has repeated calls for vigilante action in his village after an armed robbery.
In a dramatic outburst, Rugby borough councillor Ron Ravenhall said it was time for Stretton-on-Dunsmore to fight fire with fire.
Calling for the parish council to give the go-ahead for nightly patrols, he said: "The law of the land says that you can use reasonable force to protect your property, so if people come at you with a knife you can use a knife; if they come with guns, you can use guns.
"An appropriate response for those patrolling depends on the severity of the attack. I'm not after a shoot-out at the OK Corral, but these villains need to know that they will have a reception committee.
"I'm saying to the parish council, the police can't cope, they are undermanned, but the thing is getting out of hand. We've tried everything else - we need patrols."
The comments by Cllr Ravenhall (Lib Dem, Dunchurch and Knightlow) follow an armed raid on the village's Shoulder of Mutton pub 35 minutes after midnight on Sunday.
The landlord and landlady were tied up by gunmen who stole a substantial amount of cash earlier this week.
Cllr Ravenhall first hit the headlines last year when he called on villagers in Stretton to arms, claiming crime was "spiralling out of control".
His claims were denied by police, who said his comments were not borne out by statistics.
Rugby chief inspector Mike Slater said today: "We do not condone vigilantism and we do not know where this 'escalating crime' idea is coming from.
"One very high profile crime will obviously increase fear of crime, but this Stretton incident was isolated and it does not mean an increase in crime. It was a very nasty incident and, hopefully, one that we will soon detect."
Cllr Ravenhall was behind a 3000-name petition for better rural policing sent to the House of Commons last December.
Stretton parish council chairman Ian Smith was not available for comment today.
http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0150swarksnews/page.cfm?objectid=12098224&method=full&siteid=50003
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - Josey1 on 08/08/2002 05:58:38
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By Lisa Mccarthy, Birmingham Post
The third member of a gang which shot dead a man with an adapted weapon during an aborted robbery attempt has been jailed for ten years.
Tefsah Reid (21) admitted the manslaughter of Peter Stephens during an attack on his home on September 30 last year.
Mr Stephens, a 54-year-old Rastafarian, was shot dead on the doorstep of his home in Eastfield Road, Bordesley Green, as his nine-year-old son played in an upstairs bedroom.
A known cannabis dealer, Mr Stephens (pictured), who changed his name to Levi Tafari Genesis for his religion, died from a single 9mm ballbearing shot to his chest which was fired from an adapted semi-automatic pistol.
Reid, of Wilmcote Tower, Belgrave Middleway, Highgate, was jailed for ten years after pleading guilty to manslaughter at Birmingham Crown Court.
He received a further six months after admitting robbery, the sentences to run consecutively, and was given a one day concurrent sentence for handling stolen goods.
The court heard that during the street robbery on September 25 last year, a mobile phone was stolen from Matthew O'Connor outside a fish and chip shop in Selly Oak.
The handling stolen goods offence related to a wallet containing a birth certificate and a Visa card belonging to Christopher Smith which was stolen on September 24 last year in Hagley Road West.
These two offences took place five days before the fatal shooting of Mr Stephens.
Reid's co-accused student Chai Burrell (23), of Farclose House, Cambridge Crescent, Edgbaston, and Mathias Lescott (18), of Oldfield Road, Balsall Heath, were each sentenced to ten-anda-half years last week after gunning down Mr Stephens.
The three men burst into Mr Genesis' home with the intention of robbing him, as he was a known cannabis dealer.
The fourth gang member has never been identified, the court heard.
Roger Thomas QC, defending, said Reid had no previous convictions and was a "young man of positively good character" who has always denied that he had the gun.
"He has now built up a formidable record in the course of a week," said Mr Thomas.
"He accepts that he was a complete fool."
Judge Richard Wakerley QC, the Recorder of Birmingham, told Reid: "It is claimed you are an intelligent young man and you have potential, but you must understand and recognise that I have a public duty to perform in so far as the grave offence of manslaughter.
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"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
By Staff Reporter
Published in The News and Star on 07/08/2002
POLICE in West Cumbria have welcomed a 10-year jail sentence for a member of an armed gang which raided a post office in Whitehaven.
William Quayle, 27, of Crummock Avenue, Woodhouse, was sent to prison for 10 years after pleading guilty at Carlisle Crown Court yesterday to a charge of attempted robbery.
He was one of three masked men - one armed with a shotgun, one with a pistol and one with a knife - who burst into the Kells post office in Woodhouse Road, Whitehaven, on the evening of March 15.
The gang threatened sub postmaster Alan Parsley after
forcing their way into his living accommodation adjoining the shop.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Carter said the sentence reflected the seriousness of the offence.
He told the News & Star: "We are very pleased with the result of the court case.
"The sentence should go out as a warning to anybody who is considering committing such an offence, that they will be dealt with swiftly by the police and the criminal justice system."
He added: "This type of crime is not a normal feature in Cumbria and this was reflected in the judge's sentencing.
"The professionalism of those officers involved ensured that this incident did not pose a greater risk to the safety of the general public."
Quayle and two other masked raiders burst into the Kells post office in Woodhouse Road, Whitehaven, on March 15 and forced their way into the adjoining living accommodation.
They threatened sub postmaster Alan Parsley, with one of the raiders - not believed to be Quayle - telling him: "I'm going to knife you. I will cut your nose off."
The gang then forced Mr Parsley to let them through the connecting door into the post office area but fled empty handed when he managed to set off the alarm.
As they ran, they were spotted by a 15-year-old boy looking out of his bedroom window, who recognised Quayle and gave his name to the police.
Quayle was arrested by armed police who forced their way into an entry in the nearby Wastwater Flats eight hours later.
The gang had made a crude attempt to destroy forensic evidence by soaking their clothes and one of the guns in a bath.
Quayle pleaded guilty at Carlisle Crown Court to a charge of attempted robbery.
DCI Carter said investigations were continuing in relation to the two other men involved.
http://www.news-and-star.co.uk/helper_fullstory.asp?sid=1309
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878