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Amsterdam-Legalize it, Dont criticize it

salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I just got back from a trip to Europe.
Spent two days in Amsterdam.
I have heard many from the legalize drugs camp, sight amsterdam as proof that legalization of drugs does not lead to more crime. For those who believe that, you should visit Amsterdam. The place is a toilet. I do not think there is one wall in the entire city that is not littered with graffiti.
The place was filthy, trash all over the place.
At night, I was exposed to a cacophony of breaking bottles, yelling, screaming, and in all of the places I have traveled in Europe, and the states, I can say without a doubt that the place I feared for my safety more than anywhere else was Amsterdam.
Unfortunately, I had to go out at night, and was acosted by several dirtbags begging for money and drugs. I almost hit one over his head with my clarinet case.
I was also warned the first night, while paying a restaurant bill with a credit card, that I should not use my card in Amsterdam, and if I had to, I should be very careful using it. The resturaunteur told me that credit card fraud in Amsterdam is rampant.
I was there once before ten years ago, and at that time, crime was bad, and was told that the beautiful people of Amsterdam have policed themselves since then, making the place much safer. Guess what? The policing did not last long, and the crime is as bad as it was ten years ago.
So what happend to the theory that acess to legal drugs(actually in AMSTERDAM IT IS NOT LEGAL, IT IS JUST "TOLERATEd") would result in a safer society, due to the fact that druggies would not have to comitt crimes to get there drugs. I went into a "hash bar/cafe"(there was about five of these joints on every block) and they actually had a menu of marijuana-different types, weights, etc. You can buy a bag of pot for less than what you would spend on a mug of beer-yet the city is probably the most dangerous city in all of Europe.

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Comments

  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo, a friend just returned from the Netherlands and said the same thing about Amsterdam. My question would be whether the drugs are the cause of the problems or just another symptom.

    A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Salzo,I take it ya don`t get high.

    .218
  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The same thing here in certain dope infested neighborhoods. Trash, criminal mischief, theives, ah but dope is good! Ha! It's the biggest problem we got next to politcians.
  • smokinggunsmokinggun Member Posts: 590 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard from a friend at The Hague, Netherlands that guns are illegal there. Maybe that is part of the problem wirh the crime.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BEE- I get high on LIFE.

    "The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
    -James Madison
  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, glad to see you back, have missed your post since about a week. never been to europe so i don't know the sit rep but sorry you had a bad time in holland. tho i believe that the european stand on gun control and private owner ship of firearms has a lot to do with crime and it prevention, but any lax society is going to have some abuse for a variety of reasons. any way welcome back. respt submitted dads-freehold
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:I almost hit one over his head with my clarinet case.

    Oh God....oh man....oh Jeez I'm sorry, I'm such a jerk. I know you weren't allowed to bring your carry pistol with you.

    But damn, just the way that seemed to me when I read it.... Oh crap there I go again.
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    canal street in amsterdam sucked in 1960 & obviously still does.
    LITERALLY
    barto

    the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
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