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shotshells in autopistols

Mark IIMark II Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
When I go out in the woods, my biggest concern is snakes. I don't like them, and they don't like me. So, I like to carry my Glock when in the woods, but I doubt my ability to hit a snake with the Hydra-shoks I usually carry. I would like to have a magazine of shotshells, but I don't want to waste my money on something that won't cycle. Will these cycle in semi-autos? Also, my Glock is one of the "C" models. If I shot a shotshell through the ported barrel, would (could) a pellet bounce off the edge of the port and come looking for me? Would the pellets damage the barrel in any way? Thanks.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This topic came up a while back in both the General discussion and Ask the Experts. No they do not cycle in semi autos. Nunn made some good points about this as I recall....
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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Only thing I have ever been able to get them to cycle in is a revolver...just not the type of cycling your looking for. Found a thompson contender with a .410 barrel works really good. Wife uses it when i am gone and the snakes get too close (her opinon of a good snake, is a dead snake.)
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Remington made a .45ACP shot shell years ago that had the brass case formed on the front end to resemble a bullet. I believe those cycled most pistols. Why they quit making them I do not know. I have a few left, but have not tried them in a Glock.
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,597 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife, who is a worse shot than I, has a Vaquero chambered in 45LC and loaded with .410 shot shells for home self defense. I havn't heard much about damage with this set up. It can't be real good for the barrel. I figure if she has to shoot more that 6 times we are in a lot more trouble than a damaged gun.Jeff
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  • compgunfirecompgunfire Member Posts: 95 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mark IIGet yourself a good walking stick (try some camping supply companies for high-tech models) and use it to "sweep away" any unwanted reptiles. You'll have it "in-hand", when you need it and more than likey you'll never use it on a snake.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge - if you are referring to the military issue .45 Auto shot, the packaging specifically warned that the rounds had to be single loaded and I've seen posts by those who had tried the ammo that this was indeed the case.Snakes are not an issue where I live, but there are many shot loads for various caliber wheelguns, a handgun action for which I admit a bias. Never owned a .22 semi-auto; would the older style crimped shot loads cycle in one of those or would the sharp edges jam on the ramp? Anyone here ever tried it?[This message has been edited by Iconoclast (edited 09-30-2001).]
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've only tried them in 2 guns (Beretta 92 and Browning High Power). It didn't cycle either of them. Pick up some CCI shotshells and give it a try in your Glock. If it cycles, GREAT! If not, oh well. However, it may cycle on occasion and then not cycle on other occasions. I wouldn't count on the reliability of a quick follow-up shot.
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  • dadroachdadroach Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    JEEZ, guys... There's very few species of snake in this great country of ours that can hurt you and if you have time to pull out a gun and shoot one, then you have time to back away and let the thing live. Otherwise, you've already been bit. Although I've heard they taste like chicken......
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Iconoclast:No, the Remington load I mentioned was commercially available. The box I have in my hand was purchased by me in October of 1989. This box has 18 rounds left.The factory load number is R45AP5. The name on the box is "45ACP Shot Lokt Shot Cartridge." On the bottom of the box it says "Loaded with 650 #12 shot. Unique Shot Lokt design allows positive feeding. Excellent for dangerous pests at close range."As I recall, these cartridges would cycle a Colt Government Model, but I have not tried one for years so cannot say for sure. My guess is that the cartridges were not reliable in all pistols and generated enough complaints that Remington figured they were not worth the trouble. I know the CCI shot cartridges will not cycle a semi-automatic, and probably would not feed if they did, what with their square-shouldered shot capsule. CCI shot cartridges are why the good Lord created revolvers.
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  • Richie RichRichie Rich Member Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    judgecolt is correct!!I have a box that I found and snaged them up.They will and do cycle!!! The box has a picture of a snake right on the front and it says high velocity also in addition to what judgecolt already mentioned.the case is not like the new shot caseings, these one are full lenght brass then the top is crimped over like that of a shotgun shell.
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the confirmation RR. (Did I leave out a word? Sorry.) However, I would not characterize the crimp as like a shotgun because it is domed similar to a bullet shape, but not so protruding. That helps the feeding. I wish Remington would start making these again.
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  • Mark IIMark II Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know if they made these Remington rounds in .40? Maybe I can look at the next gunshow.
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  • Richie RichRichie Rich Member Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge when I said shotgun like I was refering to the way the crimp is only (not sure what the word for that is. But yes you are correct in them being dome shaped. As for them being made in 40 I am not sure if 40's were around when they made this ammo.Rich
    "The Constitution of most of our states(and the United States)asserts that all power is inherent in the people;that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."--Thomas Jefferson--
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge - thanks for the follow-up. It would seem from your & RR's input the old style crimped shot loads will work in an semi-auto, so I would repeat: has anyone tried this style .22 LR round in a pistol? Just a curiosity thing on my part; I'll stick to my wheelguns.
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  • boogerbooger Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Federal 22 long rifle bird shot (with the pointy metal crimp) will not cycle in a High Standard Model H-D Military pistol nor will it in Winchester Model 290 rifle. I have not tried it in others.
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Holy s--t! Someone else owns a High Standard Model H-D Military! I thought the whole world had bought one of those Rugers!
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  • R WallerR Waller Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    and yet another one who's used the remington shot load... they cycle fine in a sig 220... are ya'll saying remington no longer sells those shot loads ???
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  • boogerbooger Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    H-D Military are my favorite and I generally buy every one that I come across in good condition. I find that the triggers are usually crisp and light, which is fine by me.I own several Ruger firearms but oddly no .22 plinkers.
    Them ducks is wary.
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