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Regarding military pay

alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
I got this from the BB57 group and i thought i would share it with you. If you have seen williams lately you know she can run neck in neck with Rosie O with all that lard. She is a three time loser and apparently wants to drag as many down with her as possible.Subj: Fw: FW: FYI Date: 1/12/02 3:05:44 PM Eastern Standard Time From: bb57sodak@juno.comTo: wcollins@ameritech.net, naomir@ev1.net, CRBBKING@aol.com, Hacksail@picusnet.com, dcharls1@pacbell.net, winnearl@dickinson.ctctel.com, decoder@fuse.net, yarmilla@alltel.net, GGUNDY@prodigy.net, Yarner1@juno.com, HINCFTS@aol.com, NavyMurphy@aol.com, SKManson@aol.com, HHomesteaders@cs.com, mac31azbb57@prodigy.net, GARBISO@aol.com, KH6FMD@aol.com, rozz4@webtv.net, SOIMail@aol.com, BluesTheme@aol.com, taylor19usna45@prodigy.netCC: macierose@juno.com FYI - > > >On 12 November, Ms Cindy Williams (from the Laverne and Shirley TVshow)> > >wrote a piece for the Washington Times denouncing the pay raise(s)coming> > >service members' way this year-citing that the stated 13% wage gapwas> > >bogus. A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below.He> ought> > >to get a bonus for this!> > >> > >Ms. Williams:> > >> > >I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Nov, "Our GIsearn> > >enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this> vaunted> > >overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappearsevery> > >month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) andmy> bank> > >account. Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), Isee> that> > >I make $1,117.80, before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20.WhenI> > >run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annualsalaryof> > >$13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.> > >> > >I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I ampart> of> > >the team responsible for the administration of a 5,000-host computer> > >network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specificallywith> > >Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for NetworkTechnicians> > >in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field,> > >requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this jobdoes> NOT> > >pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this jobis> > >being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can drawthe> > >obvious conclusions.> > >> > >Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic> Allowance> > >for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as beinga> > >further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again, I'm curiousas> to> > >where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% inthe> Hill> > >AFB area effective in January 00.> > >> > >Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVERhad> the> > >pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before youtakeit> > >upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DODleadershipfor> > >attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay bracketsoff> > >AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group ofdeploying> > >soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of servicebranchup> to> > >you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX monthrotation:it> > >will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your familyand> > >friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience".> > >> > >As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note thespouses> > >and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also takecare> to> > >note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be ableto> make> > >ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone-obviously they'vebeen> > >squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been giving them.> > >> > >Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are> > >perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting ina> DFP> > >(Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering againstthe> > >cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that therearen't> > >enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade> > >whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tunanoodle> > >casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything, Thisgives> > >some flavor.> > >> > >Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won'tnearlybe> > >long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and bethankful> for> > >it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most ofthe> > >points you present in your op-ed piece. But, tomorrow from KABUL, Iwill> > >defend to the death your right to say it.> > >> > >You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First> Amendment> > >rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, mybrother> and> > >sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you canthumb> > >your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of> > >pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We> > >hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we> can't> > >offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms.Williams,> > >have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? Rubbish!> > >> > >A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC> > >> > >IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLEAND> SHOW> > >OUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN. THANK YOU. THIS> LETTER> > >SHOULD BE APPLAUDED BY ANYONE WHO'S EVER SERVED OR HAD A FAMILYMEMBER> > >SERVE IN THE ARMED FORCES!
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just more socialist bull *.How much pay would these socialist ding bats want to put their life on the line, assuming they had the balls to do it in the first place? I put my life on the line for 21 years and I dare any socialist to say the same.[This message has been edited by badboybob (edited 01-12-2002).]
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Did the b!t(h respond to this?
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Different people get paid different amounts depending upon their circumstances. As a single guy, my basic allowance for housing would not cover rent/utilities but I am forced to live in the economy as opposed to in the barracks because I am on recruiter duty. As a result, the Army pays my rent/utitlities to the tune of $650/month. In addition, I receive special duty pay (375/month). I also am nowhere near a mess hall so I receive a basic allowance for sustinance ($260/month). All that is added to my base pay which is now $1912.00/month before taxes. All in all, I live a comfortable life as a single guy. Pay is geared towards making single life comfortable. Just to play the devil's advocate, how many employers would give you a raise just because you are married with kids? Some have taken this stance. However, you can't put together a force the size of ours without marriage and children being factored in. You can't expect the entire Department of Defense to be single and without dependents. This is where the thought process goes wrong. Financial hardships adversely affect force readiness. I'd like to know how the b*tch responded too.
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh, come on, guys! I'm sure she works her fingers down to the manicure every single day! And has directors blowing up in her face and scripts whizzing past her head! Furthermore, obviously she is fully qualified to pass judgement; she's a liberal!
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    His arithmetic doesn't add up to me. What other deductions does he have besides Federal& State Income Taxes & Social Security?I doubt the State Income Tax would be $1000.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He has his Soldier's Group Life Insurance deduction. He also has his "Old Soldiers Home" (or whatever they call it) deduction that we get taken out every month for the vets. I store all of my LES's in a file at work so I don't have any to look at now but I'll be sure to bring it on back and read off the rest of the deductions. Also, military members get free health insurance. They pay a small monthly premium for dependents. Then there's that deduction for the Combined Federal Campaign that we are "highly encouraged" (insert "required") to make. I divy up $25 to the NRA/ILA and the GOA via the CFC every month and a few more dollars to some other non profit faith-based charities that do some excellent work. That's all I can come up with off the top of my head for deductions. I don't believe there are any other deductions except for the $100/month deduction for the first 12 months of service for anyone that elects to take the GI bill in their initial enlistment contract. It's amazing. Twelve years ago you paid in $1200 to get the GI Bill benefit which was $12,000 paid out in 36 checks while attending college on a full-time basis after completion of service. It's up to $28,800 and is expected to get close to $40,000 in the next five years.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Cindy Williams, has-been that she is, might actually be jealous of the military pay. A lot of these Hollywood types try to keep up the front for appearances sake, but really don't have squat. I don't recall seeing her bloated face lately on the silver screen.When I joined the Army in 1968, trainee pay was $82.50 per month. I think we got a five dollar raise halfway through basic training. Let the good times roll.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    $82.50 , this sounds like a windfall.I remember $46.00 in "65.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Yeah, but we were tougher and worked harder in '68.Signal Corps, all the way.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    $46 in 65? In whose army? I started at $78in 1958. I do remember the demands for $1for the company relief fund, savings bonds& prepaid laundry.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't no why I remember the first voucher being that amount, hardly had enough to buy the shaving blades and essentials.In ten years between 58 and 78 there was a $4.50 difference? Anyhow I lived thru it all, I'm not complaining, that first voucher confirmed to me, I was not going to stay voluntarily..
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  • rogue_robrogue_rob Member Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Military pay is not bad at all considering the benefits. My base pay was just raised up to 2726 a month which is enough to keep my family fed and clothed, we wont be rich anytime soon though.Sounds like idsnman75 is on recruiting duty right now ( I did my 3 years, partner) so he knows the benefits of the army as well as anyone. I sure do like getting the pay raises at the first of the year though!!!!!but anyways, I would like to know what she posted in reply too.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rogue_rob--I'm 7 months into the 3-year tour. Where did you recruit? I'm in the Des Moines, IA Bn. I called an old soldier of mine who is now a recruiter in California one Saturday. He had to hang up after about 10 minutes on the phone because "three more people just walked in to join the Army". His badge was gold within 11 months. Anyhow, such is life. The benefits are great. Many young soldiers just piss their paychecks off from the beginning and don't think about investment or even a savings account. Then you have soldiers who fall in love with the first girl that sleeps with them and already has three kids over her own and he doesn't bother with birth control because he's in "love". My first girlfriend was like that. I didn't know about her history until I did some of my own investigating after the fact (prior to my V5 ASI). She bounced around the barracks and then broke up with me because I told her I wanted to wait until her $10,000 of credit card debt was paid off before I would marry her. She was married to an E-5(P) within 4 months. Man that guy was a loser. She was probably his first. It happens all the time and the women flock to the installation and bounce around with soldiers until she "accidentally" gets pregnant. We had a few females that were banned from our barracks by the 1st Sergeant at Ft. Lewis. "An Officer and a Gentleman" isn't so far off the mark. Maybe 13fister will grace us with an Army story of when his mother told him that he should go to church and find a nice girl there.Recruiting isnt as fun as my MOS is and the special duty pay and rent-free apartment living won't get me to convert but it sure is better than what I was doing before I joined. I drive past John Morrel every day and smell those hogs. Yes, it CAN get worse than this![This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 01-13-2002).][This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 01-13-2002).]
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  • EOD GuyEOD Guy Member Posts: 931 ✭
    edited November -1
    This story is several years old. Also, the Cindy Williams that wrote the article is not the actress, but is a newspaper writer (Washington Post??)
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    She still has a blowted face.
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