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Cry Me A River

gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
Subject: *GreenEmpire* FW: : greens usa leader not allowed to board planeSubject: INFO: greens usa leader not allowed to board plane http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=82758&group=webcast Green Party USA Coordinator Detained At Airport (english) by Louis Lingg 6:23pm Fri Nov 2 '01 (Modified on 7:55pm Fri Nov 2 '01) Prevented By Armed Military From Flying To Greens Meeting In Chicago Armed government agents grabbed Nancy Oden, Green Party USAcoordinating committee member, Thursday at Bangor International Airport inBangor Maine, as she attempted to board an American Airlines flight toChicago. "An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," ashaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes thebombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan." Oden, a long-time organicfarmer and peace activist in northern Maine, was ordered away from theplane. Military personnel with automatic weapons surrounded Oden andinstructed all airlines to deny her passage on ANY flight. "I was toldthat the airport was closed to me until further notice and that my ticketwould not be refunded," Oden said. Oden is scheduled to speak in Chicago Friday night on a panelconcerning pesticides as weapons of war. She had helped to coordinate theGreen Party USA's antiwar efforts these past few months, and was to reporton these to The Greens national committee. "Not only did they stop me atthe airport but some mysterious party had called the hotel and cancelledmy reservation," Oden said. The Greens National Committee -- the governing body of the Green PartyUSA -- is meeting in Chicago Nov. 2-4 to hammer out the details ofpesticides, genetic engineering, and the Party's involvement in theburgeoning peace movement. "I am shocked that US military prevented one of our prominent GreenParty members from attending the meeting in Chicago," said ElizabethFattah, a GPUSA representative from Pennsylvania who drove to Chicago."I am outraged at the way the Bill of Rights is being trampled upon."Chicago Green activist Lionel Trepanier concluded, "The attack on theright of association of an opposition political party is chilling. Theharassment of peace activists is reprehensible." For further information, please call 1-866-GREENS-2 (toll-free) The GREEN PARTY USA will hold press conference in CHICAGO SATURDAY, NOV.3 to discuss this matter. 10 a.m. at the J. Ira and Nicki Family Hostel24 East Congress Parkway
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks like another good special forces target. Talk about the enemy within-they are it.
    So many guns to buy. So little money.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Let her hitch to chi-town! Along the way she can see all the green she wants.
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  • landislandis Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All I can say is, THE SYSTEM IS WORKING!!!!
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    PIG, You are right sir, but it's still kinda funny ain't it? Some folks are just a bit over-zealous and when something like this happens to them I have to laugh. C'mon, they would laugh at you.
    If you run, you'll just die tired! will270win@aol.com ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How do they have the audacity to slander the U.S. military personnel that did their job they way they were directed. It wasn't the guys in green that flagged her name on that computer. They didn't know why she was flagged nor did they have any choice in the matter. Notice how they made a point to mention that they had "automatic" weapons. The media is now demonizing the weapons that our military carries! Libberal BS. Typical!
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman:They aren't liberals. They are socialists. Let's call it like it is.
    So many guns to buy. So little money.
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  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon and Idsman, I agree with both of you...she has her right to free opinion and the right to speak it, Doesn't mean that I agree with her, by any sense of the word...And It's not the soldiers fault for following orders...they would be insubordinate if they didn't, and then could not be reliable as our enlisted. So where does the finger point for this atrocity? I sure hope that I don't get flagged for expressing my thoughts in this manner...I sure would hope for someone to back me up, rather than turn their backs on me. How about it guys?
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • Walt NunleyWalt Nunley Member Posts: 228 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SAXON-PIG YOU BEAT ME TO IT,I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.ONCE WE START DOWN THAT ROAD OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE POLITICAL .......................
    Submarine Sailor,Truck Driver,and very bad typist.GO RUSTY #2
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Portland Press Herald//BANGOR - Political activist Nancy Oden missed her flight to Chicago for a Green Party USA meeting because she reportedly became uncooperative during security screening at the Bangor International Airport.The Jonesboro woman says she was singled out for extra scrutiny because of her activist past and public opposition to the current war effort.''I was treated (as) if I were guilty just because I'm a dissident and I speak out,'' she said. ''They're looking at me like I'm a terrorist and I'm just a peaceful person trying to go to a meeting in Chicago.''Oden scrapped her travel plans.Officials at the airport and American Eagle Airlines have a different account of Oden's afternoon run-in with the added security.''She was uncooperative during the screening process,'' American Eagle spokesman Kurt Iverson said. ''Obviously if they can't submit to screening, (federal) regulations require that they not be allowed to board the plane.''Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, security has been tightened at airports. In Bangor, armed National Guardsmen monitor the screening area and passenger lists are checked against an FBI terrorist watch list.At one point during Oden's security screening, a National Guardsman grabbed her by the arm and she * it away.While acknowledging that Oden was singled out for added extensive screening, authorities said it was more likely related to the manner in which she purchased her ticket than for her activist past.Without providing details, interim airport director Rebecca Hupp said that the FAA guidelines ''have more to do with the ticket than the person.'' Oden bought her nonrefundable ticket online, she said//It does sound like she was a little whacked out.
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  • Krag96Krag96 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having read the Bill of Rights at least once or twice in My life, I don't recall any law guaranteeing the right to fly. Her "right" to travel was not denied, just A seat on an airliner, private carriers have the right to deny anyone the priveledge of using their services if there is even A suggestion of possible danger to others either aboard the plane or elsewhere, too bad the authorities were not as vigilant on the eleventh of September in Boston. The rights of an individual are determined by the collective, and the collective protects the collective in times of danger, just like GB protects GB,when the individual becomes A threat to,or annoyance to the whole of GB by deleting and editing the individual, "GB", Our society in microcosm.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey mr. and mrs. green if you don't like Mycountry tie a rag on your head and get the HELL out. muy pronto!
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If she's an activist "green", she is a terrorist. Ever hit a spike from one of those ^*(^*^(s in a tree? It's no less than attempted murder. Ever hit one with a sawmill? Bye-bye to a 500 buck blade. Krag, this country is based upon individual rights. Collectivism is merely another word for communism. Study up, and think with your own mind......not a collective one . There is no such thing!
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  • Krag96Krag96 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If this was A nation founded to protect the individual, why does the preamble say:"We the People" instead of "Me the Person"? even the second amendment states that We are A "people", communism? are bee's communists? yes they are,all societies that band together to protect the whole are communists in definition but do not confuse A political party with an ideology, the individual is supposed to share equally in the protection of the collective,but as I stated above, when the collective is threatened the collective will act in the best interests of the collective, that is why the collective was formed,to self propagate so that more protection is afforded the individual, if the individual was more important than the whole, all would lose the benefits provided by the collective, we humans did not invent this practice, we only named it, fish, birds, insects and others have all practiced collectivism, it is natural. So to attack collectivism is to attack nature, are you anti-natural Timberbeast? do You believe we should protect the rights of each, individually, even to the detriment of the rest of society? are you saying that we have the right to disregard any rule that is applied to the whole because the individual does not agree? if that is your belief, check out those sites listed for the Green Party above, you would feel right at home.
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr Krag,(I'll always have a special place in my heart for the 30-40, I got my first deer with the same one that my dad got his first deer with and my grandpa got his first deer with. It's not for sale.)You are absolutely correct. This is not a constitutional issue, the carriers, being private industry, can deny their services to anyone they wish with impunity. NO business is compelled to provide me with their products or services. The military in this situation is simply the enforcement arm of the carriers decisions. Certainly the carriers are subject to federal regulation, but most private industry anymore is regulated in come way.Simply stated, Mrs. Green has no right to fly on an airline, if she is denied, then so be it. She is still permitted to travel by automobile or train, it isn't as though she was banned from traveling interstate. Flying on an airplane is not a constitutional right.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets
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  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having read further, I understand, as gruntled points out. She obviously stirred thing up unnessesarily against herself...And sure, they did their job well in preventive action. That is one of the things I like about this forum, I am being educated by the diversity of opinions, and the supply of information posted in support of opinion. I can honestly say that my life is being changed, and by being allowed to freely alter my own opinion by weighing all input and judging for myself which I feel to be valid, and which I feel to be hogwash, I am becoming more glad to be Here.
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To DEFEND collectivism is unnatural, as it is against human nature to NOT have inalienable individual rights, which are granted by our creator, not by our government. Our government exists as a servant of the populace, and, yes, it is elected by the majority. But the majority cannot remove an individual's rights. If one person disagrees with the "collective" he or she has that right, unless it violates the individual rights of another, which is a crime. There is no collective stomach, there is no collective mind, and there are no collective rights. Humans are not bees. Only humans have the power of abstract thought, and can conceptualize "rights". Bees have no rights. Your individual rights do not exist in my home, if I wish to remove them, for it is my individual right to do as I please upon my property, unless it is a specific violation of an ordinance set by the state or town I live in. An airport is private property, as is an ailine terminal.Since only individuals can possess rights, the term "individual rights" is actually a contradiction in terms. A group has no rights. Mo person can acuire new rights by joining a group, nor lose the rights that he/she possesses. The principle of individual rights is the only moral base of all groups or associations. If owning a firearm is a "collective" right, that would mean that we can all use each other's guns without asking permission. If owning property is a "collective" right, that would mean that we can use each other's property at will, as the property belongs to the "collective", not to the individual.
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  • ghotie_thumperghotie_thumper Member Posts: 1,561 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think it's great how one so full of lip service finally had it bite'em in the behind. I'm only sorry she didn't have to walk all the way. I really hope her "anti-war" efforts go swell. Did she miss the events of 9/11, I guess we should just turn the other cheek. Maybe we can send her to afganistan to be our ambassadeur to Oswami Been drinkin and gettin louden. I'd bet she'd feel a little different about the Good Old USA after spending time on the other side, where a woman wouldn't even be allowed to speak, let alone lead a political/bowel movement.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I do not care how green they are, they are all a bunch of Terroist!
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Did sombody say somethin` about bees??.218
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    These are same people that cheer and support those that pound bolts and nails into trees that have been designated for harvesting from the forest by lumber companies, so that when crews show up to cut these down their equipment will become entangled in and in some cases have caused serious damage to the saw operators.At Pacific Lumber Co. in northern KA a few years back a young man was practically sawen in half by a bandsaw blade which broke after hitting a buried bolt in a a timber that was being processed.No doubt, the (green) parties meeting mentioned herein is to discuss, ways to prevent or disrupt, genetic hybrid farming of fruits and vegetables, farmed in this country and abroad.We import a lot of vegetables and fruits from other countries that presently are using these genetically altered products, which enhance the fruit or vegetable and give it certain resistance qualities to insects and diseases.One wonders what these liberal bed wetters are up to, in this conferences.Today, by creating incidents, these groups can get attention f0r their causes.If they were really interested in living their concerns, they should walk to their destinations, to save the environment, and quit supporting and cheering those that would endanger the lives of people for the sake of advancing their extremists views. Hey, I am entitled to my extremist views against extremists, ain't I.
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