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REPARATIONS??????

n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
Did any one else see O"Reilly,s segment on this subject, where the guy he was interviewing stated "You Owe US" when is it going to stop.

I had nothing to do with what happened 200 yrs ago, so why should I pay ?

Another thing, where is my money for the 10,000 acres that the Federal Government took from my Great Grandfather??

"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"

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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    >Mr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
    >Chairman, Afro-American Studies
    >Harvard University
    >
    >Mr. Gates:
    >
    >On the internet, I find that you are demanding that whites pay reparations
    >to blacks. It's because of slavery, see. You are
    >joined in this endeavor by a gaggle of other professional blacks.
    >
    >I guess you'll send me a bill for my share, huh?
    >
    >I feel like saying, "Let me get this straight, Hank. I'm slow. Be
    >patient. You want free money because of slavery, right"?
    >
    >I don't blame you. I'd like free money too. Tell you what. I believe in
    >justice. I'll give you $1,000,000 for every slave I own, and another
    >million for every year you were a slave. Fair enough?
    >
    >But tell me, how many slaves do you suppose I have? In round numbers, I
    >mean. Say to the nearest dozen. And how long were you a slave? Oh? You
    >never were?
    >
    >In other words, I owe you reparations for something that I didn't do and
    >didn't happen to you. That makes sense. Like lug nuts on a birthday cake.
    >
    >Personally, I think you owe me reparations for things you didn't do and
    >never happened to me. I've never been coated in Dutch chocolate and thrown
    >from the top of the Eiffel Tower. I'll bet you've never done it to anyone.
    >
    >I want reparations. Well, that does make just as much sense, doesn't it?
    >
    >But if we're going to talk about reparations, that's a street that
    >runs in two directions. You want money from me for what some other whites
    >did to some other blacks in another century.
    >
    >How about you guys paying whites reparations for current expenses caused by
    >blacks? Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles, a city in my
    >country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see
    >what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You
    >can send me a check.
    >
    >Now, yes, I know you burned LA because you didn't like the verdict in the
    >trial of those police officers. Well, I didn't
    > like the verdict in the O.J. Simpson trial. But I didn't burn my
    > house and loot Korean grocery stores.
    >
    >Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark,
    >Detroit, Miami LA, on and on. Now add in the fantastic cost over the years
    >of welfare in all its forms, of large police forces and jails and security
    >systems in department stores. I can't live in the capital city of my own
    >country because of crime committed by blacks. Washington, DC is almost 100%
    >black. It has the highest murder rate of any American city of any size.
    >Highest rate of rape, robbery, burglary, battery, carjacking, dope-dealing.
    >Highest everything. I'd like to take my kids there to see our national
    >heritage, but I'm afraid to. DC has the strictest gun laws as well, so I am
    >not able to protect myself or my family.
    >
    >Toss in the cultural cost of lowering standards in hiring and education for
    >the benefit of blacks. It's the 'dumbing down' of America. A rising tide
    >raises all boats; a falling tide lowers all boats of all colors.
    >
    >Now, I'd view things differently if you said, "Blacks can't get anywhere in
    >a modern country without education. We know that. We need better schools,
    >smarter teachers, harder courses, books with smaller pictures and bigger
    >words. Can you help us"?
    >
    >I'd say, "Hallelujah! Hoo-ahh! Not just yes, but heck yes.
    >Let's sell an aircraft carrier and get these folks some real schools and get
    >them into the economic mainstream.
    >I'd say it partly because it would be the right thing to do, and
    > > > partly, because I'd like see more people added to the tax base, not
    >endlessly devour its resources.
    >
    >The current custodial state is expensive. I'd just love for
    >blacks to study and learn to compete and stop burning places.
    >
    >But is it going to happen?
    >
    >But, Hank, what am I supposed to do about it? I can't do your
    >children's homework. At some point, people have to do things for
    >themselves, or they don't get done.
    >
    >Maybe now is time.
    >
    >I'll tell you what I see out in the world, Hank. I think blacks
    >are too accustomed to getting anything they want by just demanding it. True,
    >it has worked for over half a century. Get a few hundred people in the
    >street, threaten to loot and burn, holler about slavery, and the Great White
    >Cash Spigot turns on. Thing is, whites don't much buy it any longer. Most
    >recognize
    >that what once was a civil-rights movement has become a shake-down game.
    >Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Con men. Period.
    >
    >Few white people still feel responsible for the failings and
    >inadequacies of blacks. Political correctness keeps the lid on--
    >but everyone knows the score.
    >
    >Most people are quietly growing wearier and wearier of it.
    >
    >Not good.
    >
    >On the third hand (allow me three hands, for rhetorical convenience), blacks
    >keep demanding things of whites, as if we have an unending supply of money.
    >As I write, you demand reparations for slavery in the 19th Century. Blacks
    >in Tulsa, Oklahoma want money for a race riot that took place in the 1920's.
    >No one involved in that riot is still alive today.
    >
    >Through the federal equal-opportunity apparatus -- which means blacks --
    >wants to sue Silicon Valley for not hiring nonexistent black computer
    >engineers.
    >
    >That's a lot of demanding for one month, Hank. What happens
    >if whites ever say, "No"?
    >
    >Now, how about you? You've got a cushy job up there at
    >Harvard, and you can hoot and holler about what swine and
    >bandits whites are. I guess it's lots of fun, and you get a salary for it.
    >But don't you think you might do blacks more good if
    >you told them to complain less and study more? For example,
    >if you want blacks to work in Silicon Gulch, the best approach
    >might be to find some really smart black guys, and get them to
    >study digital design, not Black Studies. That's how everybody else does it.
    >It works. Then blacks wouldn't feel left out, and racial tension would
    >decline.
    >
    >Sound like a plan?
    >
    >Just out of curiosity, how many hours a week do professors of
    >Afro-American Studies spend in the projects, encouraging poor
    >black kids to study REAL subjects, Hank?




    The Almighty Himself Entrusted the Future of All Living Creatures to a Wooden Boat.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"Audemus jura nostra defendere"
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WELL SPOKEN IM WITH YOU.


    WILL IT EVER END?

    Rugster
  • dhdh Member Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That was very nice. I wish I had that much restraint.
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only thing I can say is I dont pay anybody elses debts.I dont owe any minority one damn thing for things done not to them and not done by me.If blacks consider thereselves brothers then they owe me a car stereo some black guy stole from me 2 years ago.This is rediculous logic.And another thing one of the things blacks hate for s to do is stereotype themand put them in one clump together,to tell me I owe them money for something other whites did isnt that the same thing.NO FREE RIDES!Work for a living and use that hand for something other than sticking it out.

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/13/2002 16:58:29
  • 101AIRBORNE101AIRBORNE Member Posts: 1,252 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    PELICAN-RIGHT ON!
  • Seth K. PerumeonySeth K. Perumeony Member Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You're directing your hostility in the wrong direction.
    In general, blacks aren't asking for a free hand out.
    Just because someone claims to speak for a majority doesn't mean they do. How would you like to be grouped in with Al Gore or Janet Reno just because they happen to be white?


    Guns are good, Guns are great... please don't throw them in the lake.

    Edited by - Seth K. Perumeony on 08/13/2002 17:21:05
  • Seth K. PerumeonySeth K. Perumeony Member Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Eric,
    There are begging hands of all different colors.
    Eventually you'll realize that ALL races have their bottom feeders.


    Guns are good, Guns are great... please don't throw them in the lake.
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am speaking of the ones who have their hands out and here it is not some other race it is blacks.I understand every race has their lower levels so I have a firm grasp on the concept and I work with black guys who work for everything they have.My point is I dont owe someone who I have not wronged.We have had discussions at work before about this topic and all but one black guy there said if I didnt steal from them or borrow money I dont owe them anything.So Im not attacking all blacks here just the ones who say I owe them something when I do not.A concept I like if you want to fork it over be my guest.

    Eric S. Williams
  • maggiethecatmaggiethecat Member Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I for one agree. Lets all pull out our wallets and pay our last penny. Then I will demand reperations for all the people that cant get jobs because illegals have them. Then I want justice for the Irish potato famine, and the Loch Ness Monster,and that time in third grade when Jimmy was mean to me. Oh wait, there's nothing we can do about those. And paying "reperations" to a man who probably isnt even related to any slaves will fix it how? But hey, he is free to speak his mind, rediculous(sp?) and stupid as it is.

    For the first time a nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more effecient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.-A. Hitler

    must have been a democrat
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pelican, you are a piker! I'll give him $1 million for every slave my family ever owned (they arrived here circa 1630). Oooops, that works out to the grand sum of, let's see, figuring compound interest, *zero* . . . . Nah, I don't think I want to contribute to this welfare fraud.
  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MAn will i piss the black folks off where i work with this lol

    Hell they get mad because i have a rebel flag on my arm

    Harleeman1030@aol.com
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Before our country's civil war, many African nations sent large diplomatic delegations to lobby before our congress.
    These diplomatic missions increased to a feverish pace DURING the War between the States.
    These diplomats, all black gentlemen, were here to plead with our lawmakers NOT TO END SLAVERY!
    It seems the economies of these African nations was heavily dependant upon the slave trade.
    Apparently selling their black brothers and sisters into bondage was extremely lucrative.
    In spite of the Africans' pleas, our United States Congress saw fit to bring about the end of slavery. In so doing they virtually destroyed the economy of several of these African nations.
    Since that time, this country has likely sent TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid to the continent of Africa. Who knows how many more billions have been sent by private charitable orginizations?

    I believe that any black american citizen that calls for reparations should be put on a slow boat to Zimbabwe. There, they can stand in line for hours to partake of their share of overcooked, watered down rice as it spills out of the back of the 700 Club Mercy Vehicle, and THAT shall be their REPARATIONS!!

    FAIR ENOUGH??
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    The first Africans to come to this country came as endentured servants not slaves. Why don't they collect reperations from the Africans that sold them into slavery?

    AlleninAlaska

    He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
    -- Thomas Paine
  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    I should point out that shake down artists like the Reverends Sharptalon and Hijackson don't really speak for the majority of black americans.
    But if they are successful in their quest for reparations, how many citizens of ANY color would turn down an offer of free money??
    If it happens, I'll put all my money into Cadillac stock!
  • blazeblaze Member Posts: 233 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    well said Pelican.
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Neat historical tidbit: Blacks owned white slaves in Virginia (not for long, but it did happen). Who pay reparations to them?

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No one seems to consider the possibility that the vast majority of Blacks might not be educable in a useful skill or to function in a civilized society of laws. We dont have a contingency plan to deal with that, other than jail or welfare payments to buy peace.
    As their more plausible excuses are used up, newer excuses for failure are becoming more far fetched, yet we keep honoring these excuses instead of calling them - all in the name of keeping the peace.
    Given the history of this problem, we should be well beyond handwringing by now.
    Europeans who have long pointed their fingers at the U.S.s' Black race problem are now experiencing it from Italy to the north countries of Norway and Sweden and the British Isles including Ireland.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good one, Pelican. I am of Welsh and Scotch ancestry. Starting in 65 BC Rome began a series of invasions of my homeland. The tyrant Julius Caesar, so notorious he was eventually murdered by his own people, waged a campaign of destruction and murder against my forefathers. Many Celts were taken as slaves and sent back to Rome. Thus for 2,000 years the bootheel of racism has.... well, I guess it wasn't racism, everyone was white. Anyway, I have proven my point and I want reparations.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    I want reparations for illegal taxes, mandatory insurance, overpaid doctors and corrupt politicians. I want reparations for diaper rash, the common cold, moldy bread and wasted time at stop lights. I want reparations for invasion of privacy, redistribution of personal wealth, gun control and personal freedom. Piss on the people who say I owe them. I dont owe them anything. The only people I owe are those who I am responsible for in my own home. The rest can collectivly kiss my hairy a--....

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pelican......YOU DA MAN!!!
    I'm not gonna' make any comments here. The last time I made a comment about blacks, I was cursed like you won't believe. The thread got poofed real quick but a friend saved it for me to read.

    Mudge the timid

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!

    Edited by - mudge on 08/14/2002 19:20:46
  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Black conservatives where ever they present common sense issues as outlined in pelicans essay, are accused of uncle toms, as was Jesse Lee Petersen.

    Mr. Petersen who was invited to debate this very subject at the National Association of Black Journalists.

    It's a disgrace that these black journalists members who consider themselves elite and exclusive enough to form such an organization, would allow this to happen without so much as raising an objection to such treatment to one who they invited, especially to a black.


    The entire story.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60284,00.html

    These blacks, not only don't have a backbone but can't even realize they are unable to be neutral if ever any of them report or even write about the subject.

    How can they, they are all BLACK and for reparations!

    These National Black Journalists have no CREDILBILITY.

    "The great object is that every man.... everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry
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