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Mudge, Lowrider and you other V-Twiners

Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
This past weekend I went and picked up my new regisration for the year to be put on my MOTORCYCLE. I went to my friends house where the bike has been stored all winter, hooked up the battery charger, placed the new sticker on the plate and did a little inspection of the lights and such. When The charger said the battery was a full charge I hit the starter and heard a loud clunk. I tried it again, clunk. I unhooked the charger, turned the bike around and pushed it out into the driveway, gave it a running push, jumped on and attempted to clutch start it. Motor locked up. I'm not sure why it did it but that thing is tight. Checked the oil again only paying more attention to the contents on the stick and did not see any signs of moisture. My YZF has gone to the big Rice Paddy in the sky.

I'm gonna put it on E-Barf Motors and sell it for parts. I had it down to the shop and the Yamaha tech dude said a new engine would be pricey, I could have that one rebuilt but it may cost more than it's worth and may never run the same.

So if Y'all don't see me post for awhile it is because I'm depressed, I feel as if my best friend has commited suicide, I feel lonely and hurt. I freaking SAD. So while you guys are out there scaring little old ladies with those loud bikes, think of me will ya? I may not get another bike this year and will be without a scoot all summer. As I post this I'm getting all teared up and can no longer see what I'm typing, you guys have fun.
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Before you go junking it. Pull the spark plugs and pump the cylinders full of WD-40 and let it sit overnight. I did this once and it worked, a friend had tried to start his bike on ether after it sat for 6 months. It worked for me, it's worth a try before you junk it.

    Woods

    How big a boy are ya?
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Dont ya Know that RICE turns to glue, what do ya think they use to paste the paper on the windows in the far east.

    Buy a HARLEY!!!!!!
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    How did the engine lunch-out just sitting over the winter? Was it running OK when you parked it? Will it spin over with the spark plugs removed?

    I don't think you can very successfully push-start a motorcycle these days. Multi-cylinder, high compression engines don't turn over that easily. You'd have to get it rolling pretty fast and then use third or fourth gear to keep from just skidding the rear tire.

    What'd the shop tell you was wrong with it?

    Too bad if it's down the tubes. Summer's a crappy time to be without your scoot. Sorry to hear it.

    On the plus side, it sure gives you a good excuse to buy a new scooter.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Use MARVEL MYSTERY oil, put a couple tablespoons full in each cylinder, wait a couple days, I have used this for years, on bikes that I found in Garages, that havent been run in years.

    LR
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    We use the ol' Marvel for all kinds of things here at the wastewater plant. And taking a close look at the can is a real trip too. Lots of weird stuff on that can.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it was running or even turning over prior to being stored, it should still do so. follow the directions given above. If it doesn't work, yank the heads off, put new rings on the pistons, and polish the cylinders lightly. Slap it back together, and start it up with fresh plugs. Make sure the plugs are getting spark. I used to have an old electric start XLX Sportser that did something like this, and it was only the starter that was locked up. Harley's are easy to work on for a reason. You don't see too many 1956 fin-head rice burners running around. I will never own another electric start anything after that. It's all kick, and magnito for me!

    If all else fails, buy some insurance, and push it off a cliff!:)

    Trinity+++

    "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The garage it was in is not heated all winter, it may be sub zero in there for a week then get heated to 80 for a few hours and then freeze again. Apperently even though I could not see signs of it, it had condenstation it it and the feezing cold with condensation has in effect acted like the plague. It sat at the shop for a couple days as they tried to loosen it, I guess he took the side cover off and hit it with a big wrench and got it to turn very hard and apperently there is internal damage. he said it will need a new crank possibly and if the condensation did any pitting it will need new jugs, there is even a possibility that moisture could have gotten in between the piston and cylinder wall and cracked a piston when it froze. I know the shop owner pretty well and I doubt he would take me for a "ride" and since I am not a cycle mechanic and have no experiance with these new engines I cannot fix it myself. I guess they have extreme tolerances that if they are off by just a hair it will screw the pooch. It ran ok when I parked it but that bike has seen severe duty, it has hit the rev limiter on more than one occasion and it has been held wide open for long periods of time. Like I said, I'm pretty calm in a car or truck but when I get on a bike it's time for hell raising, when people see me coming on a bike they run! Maybe this is a sign from above?

    Anyhow, yes it is a good excuse to buy another one but the question is this, what do I get? Yes I would like to have a Harley but there is one problem, I still need a crotch rocket. A Harley would be good for social events but I need my daily fix of speed.
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    If you need a crotch rocket then buy the Harley V-ROD.


    I have seen many engines from lawn mowers to ancient IH tractors to small block chevys unstuck and ran fine by filling the cylinders with oil and getting it to turn and just keep working it over until it turns free. They run just fine. I would give that a try before junking it. What do you have to lose?

    Did it myself on a Pontiac 389 about 20 years ago and the motor still runs. I used diesel fuel but would use the Marvel Mystery Oil if I was going to do it again.

    A friend of mine just did it on an old IH super C tractor a few weeks ago. That thing had been sitting FOREVER and it is running fine.
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just got off the phone with the shop, bad news. He took the engine down and discovered that the anitfreeze was not up to snuff, it busted. It is loced up due to a cracked and warped cyl and the crankcase is busted.

    Seriously now, I want to cry.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7mm nut,

    Dude, there is your problem right there.

    It isn't air cooled!

    Man, motorcycles are not ment to have radiators:)

    The insurance situation looks better & better.

    Sorry to hear about your problems, I hope your up & running soon.

    Trinity+++

    "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh man....not cool. Sorry to hear that. I know you're a "crotch-rocket" freak but still hate to see anyone's scoot go down the tubes. It would probably be cheaper to fix it and if you know the guy at the shop he can probably have it back to where you want it.

    Please ...oh, please DON'T buy that V-rod POS. Rode one last week. It's pretty quick but it's UUUGGLLYY as sin. (Not that I believe in sin you know.)

    If you look for a H-D, The shop that works on our bikes has a 2001
    1200 Sportster for $8,500.

    Mudge the empathetic

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Right on, Mudge. That V-Rod makes my eyes bleed. If that's the future of Harley Davidson I may start riding Jappers.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • TOOLS1TOOLS1 Member Posts: 6,133
    edited November -1
    If a 105 inch Evo is not fast enough for you then you must be insane.
    I had a friend that had a 105 incher. It was the fastest bike around. The only bike faster was his Nitro burning Sportster. He is insane though.
    TOOLS
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tools, for the last several years the Jap manufacturers have ha a speed war going on. Right now Suzuki Has the lead with the Hyabusa GSXR 1300, 194MPH! Kawasaki has 2nd with 186MPH, Yamaha is 3rd with 184MPH and Honda is in the high 170s, these are factory condition no modifacation bikes, your choice for $10,000. The only V-Twin that can come close to competing with them is the Yamaha V-Max. Suziki also has the fasted quarter mile ET at 10 secs, in factory condition.

    Now I my tease Mudge and Lowrider about Harleys, but I have nothing against them at all. I think Harleys are some awsome looking bikes and they do exactly what they are supposed to do, look good and cruise. I would like to have one but I also want a crotch rocket. Now for the HD V-Twin to even think about getting close to the Jap Bikes you will have to spend as much on the motor as the entire Jap bike costs, it will need some heavy mods to even think about competing. there is a fella at the track I go to in the sumer with a FAST harley drag bike, 9 seconds NHRA class bike, he has almost $50,000 in that bike and guess what, it is only 1 second faster than a $10,000 stock japper. I have to laugh when somebody mentions about a Harley being the fastest around, unless you have tons of $$ and are truly a gear head and know your way around the V-Twin, it aint gonna happen.

    Now before you start calling me brain damaged and anyone else who drives these bikes I want to say this. I have heard it all, so don't do it. One of the biggest reasons for owning that YZF R1 was bragging rights, that is what most of the guys who have them buy them for. Sure we may jockey the throttle sometimes but just because we have bikes that will almost do 200MPH doesnt mean that is how we ride all the time. I had mine up near 160 MPH ONE TIME, that was it. Other than that I love the acceleration, the first 3 gears under full throttle is better than sex, it is an unimaginable rush, better than any intoxicant I have ever taken. Ohh and I almost forgot, a very fun thing to do is to pull up beside a couple Harleys on the highway, give them the bird, do a wheel stand and dust them! They get so freaking mad!! Twisting that throttle for all its worth trying to catch you but NO WAY!! Just call me a 32 year old teenager!

    Who needs a spoon to stir, I just used a blender!


    OK, now y'all can pick on me about it becoming a dead horse, I deserve it and I expect it.


    Edited by - 7mm nut on 06/04/2002 16:40:10
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Listen, before I start let me say I own a 2000 softy. Very LOUD, very nice. I gotta tell ya though the Yamaha 1800cc V-twin is BAD to the bone. In fact most of the 1100cc and up jap cruisers are superior to the Harleys in almost every way. The only way they cannot compete with the hogs is with legend, name recognition, resale value and the chick magnet factor. Fire away!!



    Edited by - interstatepawnllc on 06/04/2002 21:15:27
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'll be the first to say that Harleys are NOT a fast motorcycle. And stock Harleys are downright pitiful. My FXRS runs very strong for a V-twin, pushrod engined motorcycle, but I spent a lot of money getting there.

    But if you want to talk balls-to-the-wall fast, a guy I know is crew chief for a drag bike team and they had their bike on display a few weeks ago at a big motorcycle gathering. This thing is a V-twin but certainly bears no resemblence to a Harley engine. It's a nitro methane burning, 850 horsepower bomb with a seat on top. Has a rear slick probably two feet wide. This thing turns the quarter mile in the low 7 second range at well over 200 miles per hour. They fired it up and the crowd scattered. That thing is so loud that it does very little good to cover your ears. The guy that owns it also rides it. He calls himself the "pilot." He's got some brass balls to climb aboard that monster.

    If I wasn't so computer illiterate I'd post a link to their website. Anybody that's interested can see pictures of it by plugging "Flower Racing" into a search engine. The owner/builder/rider is Jim Flower of Sultan, WA.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LOL Lowrider! I can just picture everybody running from that bike!

    Kinda like me the first time I went to see the Funny Cars, like a dummy I stood at the 1/8 mile mark at the fence with NO ear plugs! The fence is only 50' from the side of the track and when those two cars came by me at full woopass I thought my head was gonna explode! last time I did that.

    Hmm, nitro methane on a bike,I WANT ONE!!!!!
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry to hear about the loss. It's hard to go without a scoot.The problem that I see here is that, you PARKED it. Where are you. I live in the Rocky Mountains and yes we get snow. I ride year round. Not everyday of course, but at least a few times a month.I ride a dresser and have done some work on it, pipes, carb, jets, cam, air filter (so it could breath), but there is no way when you drive by me and show me your bird that I would try to catch you. I would just show you mine, smile, and keep on puttin. Harleys are not made for speed, as you and others have said, they do what they are made to do. I DO miss not being able to get over 100 in third gear sometimes, mine will only do a little over 70. And pulling a wheelie is kind of tough, but you should see the looks it gets when I do it.Being the crotch-rocket junkie that you are, don't get a harley, we need the crotch-rockets, otherwise what would we do with our fly swatters. j/k. I will ride with anyone crazy enough to ride on two wheels, as long as they are not stupid, and as long as they will, Wait for Meeeeeeeeee. hahaWhen ever you get back on the road, this year or next, be crazy when you can, and safe when you have to.

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The first thing you hear from Rice Burner fans is that Harley's are not fast out of the box. Well I did the speed thing once, I even had a 1975 CB750 Honda with a 836cc Kit, & ATC Turbo Charger. This bike would run a mid 10 second 1/4 run at the drag strip. I built it because I had a 1976 superglide that I put S&S parts throughout, with a 110 stroker kit, and it was kick start only! A friend of mine back then had a stock Z903 Kawaski that would would leave me in his rice dust. So I built the Honda to beat him, and it was built with all American parts.

    Funny thing about those two bikes, the Harley is still running today, and the Honda has long since gone the way of the scrap heep. I put over $6000 in that Honda, and I could only sale it for $3000, and I was doing good to get that. The Harely cost $3500 new from Houston Harely Davidson in 1975, and it is worth 5 times that now. You would think I could talk my brother into at least letting me ride it once in a while?

    Rice is nice, but I have to have steak once in a while. Besides most speed limits are 55 MPH anyway. I'm sure no one would drive faster then that would they? :)

    Trinity+++

    "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Right on, Shootist. That's it. What a monster that thing is. My buddy Chris Marlowe is the racing crew chief on that sucker. I'm gonna go watch them race at Pacific Raceways on June 29th.

    They start the bike on methanol and after it's running smooth and warmed-up (about a minute) they open the valves and put the nitro to it. MAN! Sounds like world war three. I like to think I'm a gutty mother, but I'm afraid if I was offered the chance to ride it I'd have to pass. You know, in the interest of living a few more days.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    7MM.......ya' know....far be it from me to critisize but....."the first 3 gears under full throttle is better than sex"????
    Maybe you need to talk to Mrs. 7MM to find out what you're doing wrong.

    Mudge the marriage counselor

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • steven mobbssteven mobbs Member Posts: 234 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just got a 02 honda v twin--hahahahahh--my first new bike--sorry about your old one--have a lot of freinds who ride crotch rockets--when you start talking about them they get a funny look in there eyes--maybe they are hooked on the thrill--i am happy just putt putting around on my honda--had some extras on it and maybe next year ill graduate to something bigger nad faster--bought the shadow a.c.e.--had to get it from se mo--none with the right color in ar.---great bike for the money--shopped the harleys--almost bought one but went with the warranty---4 years for 400.00 cant beat that--hope you find another to get your thrill on
    sm
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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nut......I gotta nice twin cam 88 with your name on it. 5,600 miles 2001 FLHTC suede green and vivid black. All for just 17,500. Of course I have to suffer all summer till my new comes in Jan of 2003.
    NICE TOURING BIKE....MELLOW SOUND........Just what the doctor ordered to cure your blues. Oh by the way it shares my basement office with me and is treated like one of the kids.
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been thinking hard about a new 883 sportster. Need good reasons to talk me out of it. I know most prople will think it is too small but I have been rideing for 48 years & this would be the biggest I have ever had. Current bike is a Yamaha 750 & running fine but I have always wanted a Harley or another BMW. Trouble is all the BMWs are now too big for my taste.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gruntled,


    Like my died in the wool OMG for life, brother would say. A mini-bike is a mini-bike, no matter what brand.

    It's a harley true enough, but the 883cc motor is just craving for a 1200cc build kit. You get it, and you will want to change it. Look in the want adds at all the 883's for sale, that have 1200 kits. Hey I used to own a very quick (pre AMF)1969 XLCH 900cc Sportster, and they still made me ride in the back of the pack.

    Trinity+++

    "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Sportster: (definition) Entry level 2) Ladies bike.


    Go with the big twin!!
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gruntled;I had a sporter in the mid 70's. It was an OK bike for short distance riding. I rode it long distance only once. It almost beat me to death after only a few hours of riding, and I could not pass up a gas station, (small gas tank). If you want to just hop around town it might be OK. It also depends on how large a person you are. You really don't want to get something that is bigger than you are comfortable with.If you do get it, then decide you don't like it, and want to sell it "really" cheap, I have been looking for a good dirt bike, that I could throw some nobbies on, to do the "Brothers Fast" easter egg hunt with. LOL

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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