Your thoughts...............

Matt45

I asked the same set of questions here on this board, and then tried on another site devoted to the particular type of rifle I was enquiring about-

http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1227


Does anyone have any thoughts on how this was handled?

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aglore

I think you handled yourself quite well Matt. Kept your cool while the Morons blew their's.

AlleninAlaska

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free

Mercury

You asked some kind of dumb questions....but nothing no one else has done.

No harm done, in my opinion.........they over-reacted.

Merc



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Matt45

Merc-

Yes, I agree, some of them are dumb questions, but I don't have the answers, so I'll go at the problem in baby steps. I need some answers about the rifle "as is" before I proceed.

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E.Williams

You handled yourself better than Im sure I would have.I would have had to give a what for and how too and not gone back.You were simply asking peoples opinions and I doubt those were the ones you were looking for.Stick to GunBroker!Only thing I can figure is they were Russians..:)

Eric S. Williams

Elbesta

Way to go Matt. Some of those guys think there way of thinking is the only way.
The bad thing about M44 is there to hard to scope.

Elbesta

homer4

Your alright Matt. Other than Mkeo, the rest are rude to say the least. Bob looks like Ulyses S Grant.

"...Abby someone""Abby who"..."Abby Normal"

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Matt
You handled yourself like a true gentleman...As for the others, well most of them anyways, all I can say is the phrase "intelligence of a flea" comes to mind...I have never understood why grown, intelligent? adults will resort to name calling. It really doesnt get the point across they are trying to make, nor does it make them look superior in intellect...in fact, it tends to make them out as lacking in intellect as well as manners..
I am very happy that I was able to get answers to all my questions on this forum when I was first introduced to the sport of shooting, and was not labled stupid for asking what I thought were stupid questions.. Obviously the people in this forum have the manners, (for the most part anyways) intellect, and common human decency to take all questions as serious and show respect for the people who only want to find out everything they can...
There are no stupid questions...


One woman's opinion

martzkj@msn.com

Wow Matt, I never knew that any Americans kept Russian mosin nagant's so near and dear the their hearts.

Iconoclast

Matt, there are a few - very few - here who have made rude comments about "dumb" questions, so this venue is not 100% pure, but certainly 99.999% realize that questions phrased as your were stem from: (a) lack of knowledge, (b) genuine desire to learn & (c) are from someone with the intelligence to ask questions rather than flounder in the dark out of ego. Unfortunately, there are some with eggshell craniums and/or extreme defensiveness and/or deep insecurities out there who rejoice in attacking others for whatever reasons. I deeply respect your restraint in not responding in kind to the unjustified personal attacks which I suspect were intended to provoke just such a reaction.



Edited by - Iconoclast on 08/09/2002 12:24:36

Matt45

SaxonPig-

Ummm, sort of? What I mean to say is that wanted to know if I could perhaps ADD value to the rifle by doing certian things, and what were those certian things. I didn't realize that collectors were so stiff that it would provoke that sort of response. Like I stated, which was miised, I was exploring my options.


When I checked the site this morning, it seems that there has been a change of heart. The primary agitator has reconciled with me and we now see eye to eye. I just hope that these folks are a little more objective with newcomers in the future, or the life of that forum will be short lived.

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4GodandCountry

Sounds like the members of the other forum are a bit *. I say if its yours do as you wish with it as long as your not hurting anyone.

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He Dog

Matt at $65.00 it is your rifle and if you sporterize it you are not destroying history. It can only increase the value of other collector rifles. As to adding value to the sporterized rifle, it likely will, but no where near what it will cost to produce a nice sporter. If you do the work, assume you will get the value in use, as you will never get the costs returned in re-sale.

One note of caution, though I do not think this is what you were doing: In my business and this is probably true of Saxon as well, there is an activity known as "fishing the experts." You ask two different "experts" the same question, get somewhat different answers based on different experience and background. Instead of concluding that there is more than one way to get it done, you conclude that both experts are quacks and do whatever you want.

Clearly you will likely get very different responses on this board and a milsurp board and probably you should have expected that. Any any event, you handled your self quite well. If they fling dirt it reveals more about them than about the quality of your questions. Better you ask uninformed questions to get informed, than to proceed without any information.

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offeror

An antique, which is defined by appraisers as an item over a century old, can be diminished in value by having changes made from original condition, as we probably all know. Some appraisers will allow an item to maintain or increase its value if proper "restoration" is done, and some believe "restoration" is ruination.

In any case, Mosin-Nagants have been among the most inexpensive of surplus guns, down there with a lot of the Carcanos and Mausers, in the $50 or less range. That's fine, nothing wrong with that at all, but I have a feeling that you found a nest of people who are touchy about Mosins because, well, they can't afford anything more, so "my gun is the best gun in the world." In other words, as was said above, egos getting bruised.

What you see as a nice project gun, they have convinced themselves is a pristine classic antique, and have a lot, including their pride and thin wallets, riding on believing in the Mosin-Nagant. I understand that pitfall, but have always tried to avoid it myself.

Don't worry about it. Pride (and ego) go-eth before a fall. Don't go-eth there. Best advice has already been given -- it's your gun. Do what you want with it. If you want a pristine original too, buy another one. They're bargain priced.



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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

Matt45

HeDog-

No, you have part of it right- I prefer to ask several experts what views they have on a subject are, add no "color" of my own, and then determine what is the best logic based solution, or the most effective solution. Only after I hear what they have to say do I factor in my own opinion and choose my course of action.

In this situation, I really have very, very little experiance with surplus WWII and prior weapons, and figured that a collector would best be able to shed some light on the subject. I also figured I could get some basic "do's and don't's", I expected to get some different answers, but did not figure on being antagonized in that manner. At any rate as I stated earlier, we've made nice and are continuing our exchange.......I'll keep you posted.

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lazywallrus

I'll bet those guys are alot of fun at a party.

A 65$ rifle is perfect for experimentation. I think you should post some pics overthere of yourself grinding away.

Norman Dog

Well done, Matt. I think that was a great example of diffusing a situation by remaining calm and sticking to the "high road". I think that there may be hope for those poor guys since a couple of them came around at the end. They would hate to see what I did with my $25 Mauser 95 project!

Veritas morsum, autem veritas est verus

WOOF.