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Nasty trend...defending our nation...

idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
edited September 2001 in General Discussion
I enjoy the anonymity of this forum and I hope that those who know who I am here can keep things under wrap for me with regards to what I am about to discuss. As a recruiter, I have noticed that more and more recruits and applicants are beginning to whine and turn their tails at the thought of impending conflict. This may seem normal to some but then I notice that there are many civilians calling in trying to "get in on the action" and do their part if there is a conflict. It goes to show that the shepherd who is hired and paid to tend the flock is more likely to desert when a lion visits but the one who truly values that which is precious is the one who hired that shepherd in the first place.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well spoken!
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  • Diesel DummyDiesel Dummy Member Posts: 193 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's no more than a reality check. Slick commercials and videos fade in light of current events and the reality that the reason for the Armed Forces is to protect and defend the liberties, rights and way of life that so many take for granted.I would see no harm in a period of "national service" as required by most European Nations.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well said Idsman.
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  • SP TigerSP Tiger Member Posts: 872 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I remember during the Gulf War when they activated the Reserves (and National Guard too, I think) there was bitching and complaining about having to go. Uh, hello? What the heck are the Reserves for in the first place? What did they think they would do during a time of war, go to Disneyworld?
    Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
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  • ladrladr Member Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Because we stress the wrong things.We used to stress Duty, Honor, Country and it worked. Not come and get your school fund.We used to teach and stress it during IET/BCT, and it worked.Now the Drills have to teach Sexual Sensitivity training.Do they still teach The Spirit Of the Bayonet?I retired Sept 92. I called and voluntered Friday to come back in and take a desk job if nothing else. The Army told me I was too old at 50.What is wrong with this picture?I know at my age, I am kinda old to run around a battlefield, but dam I can free up someone stateside.
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  • Walt NunleyWalt Nunley Member Posts: 228 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Im an ex submarine sailor but id be glad to return to active duty in the army put my * in the grass as they say.NO b.s. if they need me I,m gone yesterday.
    Submarine Sailor,Truck Driver,and very bad typist.GO RUSTY #2
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    I could not get in the service because of my deformed hand and arm - what, back in 76 - and no doubt would be turned down again for same and now 43. But by God I surley would love to kick some 4ss when everything we hold dear (life, liberty, persuit of happiness) is threatened. My lovely wife and children would understand to a degree. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted!
    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I went trough Basic Tng in 1993. I was taught "Spirit of the Bayonet" but my Basic Tng was a little less "touchy feely" than regular Army Basic.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    You who have been turned down may get the chance anyway. The enemy lives among us in vast numbers because of our liberal immigration policy. No one knows where they will attack next. The easiest target is simply the family home and most likely the least thought of in this instance.With this in mind, your skills could be of great importance.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    My thoughts exactly Alledan. At 52 years young I'm too old for regular active service (although I'd go in a hot second if asked), but depending on how this thing shakes-out, and depending on how many of these scumsuckers are presently in our country thanks to the liberal immigration policies, we all may be called upon to defend our nation from within.I pity the ignorant terrorists who think that Americans, in general, will roll over or run and hide at the first sight of armed insurgents in our streets.Bring it on.I live less than 50 miles from the Canadian border. The crossing on Interstate 5 is unblelievably busy, much more traffic than the U.S. Customs can effectively handle. Many of these Middle Eastern radicals have entered this country from Canada. If we have a need for beefed-up security at our borders, and don't have the manpower to get it done, all of us may have to jump in and help.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    I am an American fighting in the forces that guard our county and our way of life, I am prepared to give my life in their defense.Learned that somewhere in SC, umm, Parris Island, yeah that's it!
    You can run, but you'll just die tired!Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, RELOAD!
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  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh the memories!I am in the Army Medical Corps currently stationed at Walter Reed in DC. Yup, its all high drama here.But, yes, I too has Sensitivity training and Hospitality training and a lot of other touchy-feely garbage. We all groan every time it comes up. And it does continue to come up: its one of the only topics that gets repeated at every BMAR.I bet our enemies can't wait to tackle our new, sensitive army.What I really want is to know what the "Spirit of the Bayonet" is.Also, if I do get sent off to who-knows-where, please tell me that enough of you around Maryland will be around to help protect my wife and boy.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just got back from spending 2 hours in the office. I had to turn another one away for athsma.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    This should give everyone a better idea of "well regulated militia"!This being "defending the homeland"!JMHO!
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    What is the Spirit of the Bayonet?To KILL, KILL, KILL.
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  • NEEDCOLDNEEDCOLD Member Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been in the Army for 10 years now as an engineer and a paratrooper. I'm about to get out for personal reasons, but am ready to reenlist again because I swore(3 times) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will Obey The Orders Of The President of the United States and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the uniform code of militaty justice. So Help Me God!The reservists did tend to whine back then, but you should see the active kids now! All they want is their bonus and college money. They'll tell you straight up that that is all they want. My heart has been broken for years, hoping for a light. I've busted my a** for our country, and have just been so frustrated that I've got to go foreward elsewhere (private sector) and continue to live. The standards have been lowered to get these kids to graduate BCT. They don't have to pass the PT Test, qualify with the M16,or be healthy to graduate. They leave it on the gaining unit to train them. They are sent to me out of shape, unable to shoot, and disrespectful to authority.My heart is broken.Granted, when I went to Basic, it was different, as it was different when you older guys went. But I can't believe what we have now. They're not the paratroopers I grew up with. I hope we now come together and get straight with the task at hand. To destroy our enemies, foreign and domestic!All my pro-gear was to be sold, but I'm keeping it.It will be used for you.I continue to shoot to keep my skills sharp. They will be used for you.I rehearse my battle drills in my head. I've got to be sharp for you.I hang my head out of the truck window, just as my body out of a C-130 to put paratroopers accurately on the ground for you.I keep my feet tough and rotten, my scars fresh, my muscles sore, and my heart aching for you.But let us not speculate on what is to become with this turning point in our lives.Be patient and react to the right call.Keep the anger, but let it show when it counts. And make it count;make it right; and make it fast, hard, and furious!-Your first point of performance is 'proper exit, check body position and count...JUMPERS HIT IT!!-
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    I am in the IRR after serving as an active reservist. Tuesday afternoon I started calling recruiters so that I could get active again. Finally, Friday, one returned my calls. Saturday I met with a retention NCO, weighed in, took an APFT, and filled out the paper work. I will be assigned to a unit this week. CAN'T WAIT! HOPE I GET DEPLOYED!P.S. - Idsman75, thanks for getting back with me.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dagnabbit! You could have been a contract for me! I could have done the paperwork via fax and then requested that one of the recruiters down there do a courtesy enlistment. Hey, I gotta give you crap. I told my boss about it and he gave me his usual "Saaaarge...." Right a difficult part of being a recruiter is not only turning unqualified Americans away from my door. I think that if we lined up a dozen C-130's on an airstrip in the middle of the country (say...Offut Air Base in Omaha, NE) and took volunteers that just wanted to jump and fight and possibly die without hope of returning home, we'd fill those damn C-130's with all the unqualified Americans in this country and STILL have to turn people away for lack of space. The MOST difficult part of recruiting is living with the thought of my last unit possibly going to war while I continue to reside in the United States. I was told to re-enlist to meet the 3-year requirement to be a recruiter or decline the recruiting orders and be barred from re-enlistment. I wanted to stay in because I love being a soldier and leading soldiers so I accepted the recruiting orders. Now I feel like crap because all my buddies in the 10th Mountain Division could very well be going to battle without me. I just hope that I will be spared some dignity if there is a bloody war in our future. I don't want to be viewed as the guy who stayed behind to hold down a desk.
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    idsman,We all have a station to fill!My personal thanks to you and all the other posters who are in service of the U.S.A.!!We need good men in many positions right now, whether it's behind a desk or lighting up a cave mouth in the hills of Afghanistan!I think we would all prefer the latter! My wife?..........Sure!My dog?..........Maybe!MY GUNS??........NEVER!!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    stanman-- Thanks. I'm not trying to throw a pity party here. I just want to arouse people's interests in the ethical dilemmas that unconventional warfare brings about. It is something that we will all have to deal with no matter where we, as individual Americans, will find the fronts on which we fight. It will a battle felt and fought by all.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was too young for WWII. I was in high school when the fighting in Korea was going on. I did 4 in the USAF '55-'59 (scope dope).I was too old for Nam. I'm 66 and totally out of shape now so uniformed service is not a consideraton. I can, like many guys my age, still put a very small group in the 10 ring from 300 yds. with the old Garand. Those of you who can, GO KILL THE BASTARDS! There'll be plenty of us old farts left here to pretty much watch the ranch.Mudge
    Anyone who CAN carry, SHOULD carry!Let me update that.Anyone who CAN carry, BETTER carry.
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    Mudge: I'm 62 and probably as out of shape as most people our age. I will be honored, however, to stay home with others like you and me to defend the good old USA. I can still hit a target (although now sometimes I hit it from the wrong side) and have enough weapons to do it with.
    Guns don't kill people, it's the bullets.. stupidI am the NRA, the KABA, the 2ampd..njretcop@copmail.com
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman75 - Thank you for your service, no matter the assignment. On a personal note, my Dad volunteered for & served w/ the 10th Mtn 59 years ago . . . until, to his chagrin, the Army learned of his civilian occupatiion & put him in a stateside assignment that lasted the rest of the war. His comrades never thought less of him, they remained fast friends until the end and he directed that the emblem of the 10th be engraved on his headstone (it is). We need good ppl in places besides the front lines. Again, thank *you* and all our service people.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Right on, boys.There'll be no easy time for 'em if they try something on the ground in the good ol' USA.In the words of Mr. "T", "I pity the fool..."
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