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WA tabacco tax

ysacresysacres Member Posts: 294 ✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
This great state of mine just raised the tabacco tax $1.60 per pack of smokes. Now the highest in the nation. I dont smoke but I got snuffin my lip. A can of chew now sells for $ 8.00 (EIGHT DOLLARS) HELP get me outa here.Also anyone know of a firearm's screen saver.
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  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    all I can say is...DAMN! Guess they really want everyone to Quit.
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Soon it'll be more cost-effective to grow your own tobacco....Geez.
    Gun Control Disarms Victims, NOT Criminals
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  • MNTNMANMNTNMAN Member Posts: 46 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    CALIFORNIA DID THE SAME THING. GUES WHOS NEXT, PROBABLY OREGON. THE SNUFF CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. THE DAMN PORTLANDITS WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. ID HAVE TO GET A SECOND JOB JUST TO BUT SNOOSE. A LOGGER WITHOUT SNOOSE AINT A LOGGER.CHECK OUT CIGARETTESAMERICA.COM OR ANY OTHER INTERNET TOBACCO SITE.
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    I don't use tobacco, and don't condone it, BUT this is ridiculus. There is no reason for that. If people want to smoke, dip, or chew, I say its their choice. I think they're tryin' to legislate morality, and line their pockets at the same time.
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's another one for you. They've got Copenhagen and Skoal for less than $3.00 a can. http://www.senecaselecttobacco.bigstep.com/homepage.html
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I don't smoke - never have, but I think this new tax is crap. Right along side of the article about the new tax was one about how much money the state loses every year to un-taxed sales of tobacco. Primarily Indian Tribe smokeshops. The law makes it illegal to transport un-taxed tobacco products off the reservation land but it is not enforced at all. Not once. Non-Indian people make a steady stream to the Res., buy their smokes, and head back off the Res. for home. Millions and millions of dollars lost every year by the state because nobody in State law enforcement has the balls to be politically incorrect and target the Indian shops. All they would have to do is set up a checkpoint just outside the Res. and bust everybody in possession of cigs without a tax stamp. The business at the Indian shops would dry-up in a week. But NO. Let's ignore that and just triple the tax for the law-abiding smokers. All they've done with the new tax is drive more business to the Indians. Maybe that was the plan all along.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The tax is disgusting. The next thing you know the idiots will tax ammo and reloading components. Time for some grass roots activision.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BBB:You're absolutely right. Ammunition will be next on the chopping block. Why go to all the trouble of risking a revolution by banning firearms when you can jump the price on a box of 9mm up to $399.95, which they're still trying to do. The same goes for reloading components, so don't think your Dillon press is going to save you. Our Forefather's started the Revolutionary War over FAR less taxes than the ones we face each day.
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    I buy my tobacco online from tobaccobymail.comStraight from the Indian rez in upstate NY.I buy 4 cartons of Senecas for $51.00 including shipping.
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  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's greed. Weak opposition.Find something unpopular, then sue or tax the hell out of it! Our great attorney general (WA), after the big tobacco lawsuit, campaigned on the claim that her office made money for the state.
    "They that would give up liberty to obtain safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"Benj. Franklin, 1759
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just got word that my best friend died of lung cancer. I've had other friends die from the same disease. If any of you want to pollute your lungs with that stuff that's your business, but don't blow your smoke my way. I don't want want to breathe your second hand lung cancer.I smoked two packs a day for years, then finally wised up. With present day knowledge only a fool would use tobacco.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once again, sorry for your loss BBB.With the youngin' around now, my wife is really harping on me to quit smoking. I figure I've got 1 or 2 more months before she makes me quit for good.
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  • ysacresysacres Member Posts: 294 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two rolls (20 cans) In WA State = $160Same # on the Rez = $52
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  • DaRoostaDaRoosta Member Posts: 270 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Washington State voters really dropped the ball on that. I can tell you guys more about it, but this isn't the right place. I'm employed, in Oregon, by that (in)famous moist smokeless tobacco company you all have been talking about. I have to deal with the Washington, Oregon, and California issues ya'll are talking about. Not very fun. I'll just let you know that our company is going to try to do everything we can to help the adult consumer with the retail prices in Washington State. We were successful with the California issue, even though all three states in question have tax rates out of this world. Here's how it breaks down:California = (was 129%, now back down to 53%)Oregon = 65%Washington = (was 75%, now 130%)
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    simonbs--it's not about legislating morality. It's about big tobacco $$$. Everyone wants a piece of it because it's a huge business. The "Just Eliminate Lies" ad campaign isn't designed to get people to quit smoking (although it appears that way). It is designed to demonize tobacco companies so that the public will be softened and the government and special interest groups will get more of the pie. Did you know that some child somewhere is getting free medical care because Americans use tobacco? Gee whiz I just don't feel right if I don't smoke a pack a day. These groups demonize tobacco companies for using addictions to create profit. They are lining their own pockets by exploiting nicotine addiction themselves. Typical liberal hypocricy.
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  • ElbestaElbesta Member Posts: 334 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just come over to Idaho where you can still get it cheaper. Reading the paper, watch out for the tobacco cops, there now having sting operations to catch these tax evading bad guys! LOL I'm in Lewiston if your still thinking of a summer party.The Beast
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  • ysacresysacres Member Posts: 294 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ELBestaYa I could have a BBQ for the PNW"s this summer.Do you work at Blount CCI Speer, Or Potlatch or maybe build jet boats.?????I just took a nice drive through your village. On my way ,I came up the river road. , lots of fishermen
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  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ELBESTA, I used to live in Lewsiston and will again soon (maybe). Great place..steel head and Salmon in the rivers and elk, ducks and geese on the golf course who could ask for more. Not to mention all the factory overruns from Blount at Lolo Sporting goods.
    "They that would give up liberty to obtain safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"Benj. Franklin, 1759
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Yeah, the cops go out of their way to set up stings and catch people transporting tobacco products across the state line from Idaho to Washington. The newspaper makes a big deal out of each and every bust, detailing all the money the state is losing through un-taxed out-of-state tobacco products. Yet there are dozens, if not hundreds, of Indian smoke shops doing business in the state and they won't make one move to stop the transportation of un-taxed tobacco from those locations. Terrified somebody might accuse them of RACISM.This state's liberal govt. makes me puke.Tim Eyman for Governor.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • deceedecee Member Posts: 456 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't smoke. I spend too much on booze to be able to afford both.To answer your other question, Browning and Winchester both have excellent screensavers or wallpaper. Here is Brownings: http://www.browning.com/wallpapr/wallpapr.htm
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'm with ya on the cigs, Dano. Never smoked one in my life either.There is, however, something seriously wrong with a guy who has never drank a cup of coffee. Whatta ya trying to do? Undermine the American way of life?
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never have smoked? Ya right. Wink, Wink,To clarify this, I'm not saying I know for a fact whether anyone has or hasn't smoked, but I can safely say, WE ALL have smoked second hand smoke. And that's what I'm implying, If some of you have never smoked on your own,Icommend you, for using commen sense.Clinton can make that argument since he never inhaled.As for the taxes, you know how they're thinking in DC these days.They are trying to balance the budget, and smoking causes cancer, the government pays from the public coffers for cancer treatments, that, for the vast majority of citizens has been ineffective, those whos life is prolonged, require long term health care.I've tended to emphazyma patients, who are in their last days, who won't quit smoking, even in the face of death, oxygen catheter in nostrils and lit cigaret in hand, and trouble breathing.It's sad to see this happening to people, knowing it could have been prevented.By not starting to smoke or use this stuff in the first place.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 01-11-2002).][This message has been edited by turbo (edited 01-11-2002).]
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Never had one in my mouth. How's that? From the amount of time I've spent in the bars in my life I've probably smoked the equivalent of a million packs.I've also smoked some non-tobacco things.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • ysacresysacres Member Posts: 294 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    DeceeThanks. Winchester is coolI guess i did'nt look very hard.
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lowrider,Reservation cigarette and gasoline sales are one of my pet peeves. The reservations are supposed to be Independent Sovereign Nations.So they don't fall under state and federal laws. Thats wonderful, smoke the untaxed cigarettes and burn up that untaxed gasoline in that nation and don't bring it out on the roads my nation paid for. I think we ought to build a fence around the reservations and put border patrol on the gates. Then people could declare their purchases and pay tax on them.Letting Indian stores sell items like that is unfair competition to other business'es in the area.If this is politically incorrect, so be it. Equal should be equal.
    "If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
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  • ysacresysacres Member Posts: 294 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    WundudneeWhere would we get all the neat fireworks.LowriderSmokim big peace pipe, best way to make friends on the rez.DanoYou must catch your buzzzz on gun powder.Last year WA passed I-165 to reduce the vechicel licence fee to a flat rate of $30 a year. My theory is The State is now attempting to gain that lost income back with this tax on tabacco. WELL TAX THIS !!|!!
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  • Washington HunterWashington Hunter Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't smoke so I'm all for the high tax on tobacco. I figure that's less money they're gonna get out of me with another tax. If you guys don't like paying it, quit smoking and/or chewing. You'll live a longer and healthier life.
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  • DaRoostaDaRoosta Member Posts: 270 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know if anyone realizes this or it's just being overlooked, but just because taxes are raised doesn't mean increased state revenue. As a matter of fact, in this particular instance it means a HUGE decrease in state revenue.As mentioned earlier, there are a bunch of places to buy these products non-taxed, or at a lower tax rate. The normal adult consumer is now trying to figure out their options so they can buy their tobacco products cheaper. They're probably not going to quit. The state doesn't really want them to quit because too many budgets depend on revenue generated from the tax on tobacco products. As far as that goes, the fed's are in the same boat. It's a big catch-22 because they want to look like they're doing the right thing to the majority, but they can't lose all this income because their budgets depend on that money. Most likely, the budget is based on a certain number of units sold multiplied by the tax revenue per unit. Unit sales go down dramatically, so does the overall revenue.Instead of putting up with the high taxes, adult consumers will go elsewhere and, hence, not be paying these taxes to the state.I could go on and on about this, but it is my opinion that raising the tax to 130% in Washington state will decrease the revenue, budgets will suffer and they'll have to make it up somewhere else. The tough part is the law can't be appealed or repealed because it went to a popular vote, not a board as was the case in California.
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My fater died from emphysema caused by smoking. When I called my mother to tellher she said she had just come back from the hospital after my uncle had died. (Throatcancer from smoking.) My father & uncle died 2000 miles apart & at almost the same time.There is a hard to miss message in that somewhere.
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  • COWBOYKIDDCOWBOYKIDD Member Posts: 239 ✭
    edited November -1
    I have family across the river and they buy their groceries and what have ya here in Or so they dont have the tax.Its a 3 (three) piece suit thing, Never trust a politician,lawyer or a doctor. All they are is liars in three piece suits. Period
    Politicians Love Gun Control / China Has Gun Control
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Just what I said, Roosta. All this new tax will do is drive more people to the untaxed sales locations.Once again: I don't smoke but I think the tax stinks.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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