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Bush and Kennedy, a political odd couple

hyperspacehyperspace Member Posts: 91 ✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
An odd couple, indeed . . .
Bush and Kennedy, a political odd couple"The folks at the Crawford coffee shop would be somewhat in shock when I told them I actually like the fellow," Bush said to big laughs from a crowd in Hamilton, Ohio, his first stop of the day. Laughing along right behind him was Kennedy. Then Bush got serious. "He is a fabulous United States senator," Bush said. "When he's against you, it's tough. When he's with you, it is a great experience." http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/08/bush.kennedy/index.html
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  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pure politics. It's how things get done.
    "They that would give up liberty to obtain safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"Benj. Franklin, 1759
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You couldn't have said it any better. Both sides get kudos from taxpayers from this "odd couple" grandstanding.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you've ever watched C-Span you'll see enough to make you barf.It's always "My esteemed colleague from the other side of the chamber" this and "My good friend from across the aisle" that. It's so obviously phony that you wonder how it's gets past their lips. I guess when you consider the source, it's not too difficult after all.Mudge the retcher
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  • hyperspacehyperspace Member Posts: 91 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    yep, I know its just politics as usual, but it is disgusting as heck.
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think it is disgusting. Would you rather they bicker incessantly and not accomplish anything? I think they both did a good job protecting the interests of the people who voted for them. It sounds like they worked well together and agreed. Remember that Kennedy and Orrin Hatch are good friends...
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think they are two peas in a pod. After this education bill was signed, I do not see how anyone would even think that George Bush is a "less federal government" type of guy.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Well, I haven't read the specifics of the Education Bill, but if it holds public schools more accountable for the students actually learning something then it can't be all bad.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    thebutcher. Yes I think it would be much better if the congress did nothing. That way our few remaining freedoms would be assured.I would like to see a Constitiunal ammendment that limited the congress to meeting 90 days a year.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    TRIPLE X-RING BADBOYBOB! Though they could do a lot of things in niney days. How about thirty days?
    Happiness is a warm gun[This message has been edited by salzo (edited 01-09-2002).]
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo....I know what you're saying, but the bill can't be all bad,the NEA (National Education Association) is screaming bloody murder about it...besides, if the schools can't produce results in 4 years, they loose their funding....accountability, about time!
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rembrandt- The details are unimportant. What is important, is the Federal government has once again decided to increase their influence where it does not belong. I do not want the Federal government dictating how states and local governments should be running their schools. The feds have been meddling in education, and sticking their noses where they do not belong for as long as anyone can remember. Education should be a state/local issue.More and more, the feds have been dictating to the states what should be taught, how it should be taught, who should teach it, etc.. and they continue to use more and more tax dollars for this encroachment. Have things gotten better? Hell no!! They have gotten worse. And now, an increase of 20% is going to fix everything. Why not increase educational spending by 100%? Get the feds out of the education business, and allow the states to handle it-that is the way it is supposed to be.I dont care if it is going to hold people accountable, hold schools accountable, hold teachers accountable, hold states accountable!! Accountable to who!! The federal government??!! I just wish the states would thumb their noses to the feds and tell them to get their noses out of where they do not belong!
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo....I normally agree with alot of what you have to say. And I normally agree that we don't need a lot on invasive expensive federal "help". But on the other hand I don't see the NEA going out of their way to raise the standards of those in the teaching profession. I don't see the NEA lobbying hard for year round schools to permit better learning for our students. I don't see the NEA lobbying to mandate increases in the performance of individual school districts. What I see every day is about half the teachers working hard for their students, about a quarter just cruising to get by with the minimum performance and about a quarter who have absolutely NO business in teaching who in fact hurt our children's opportunity to gain an education. That quarter of worthless teachers are protected by the NEA at any cost...much like a pimp protects his working girls. What truly irks me is those teachers who are worthless KNOW they are bullet-proof. I don't know of any easy solution but I think anything that takes power away from the NEA, even if that means giving it to the federal("we're here to help!!") government might not be a bad thing. One thing is for certain, Tomorrow I'm going to school and 75% of the classes the kids get in my school will be just adequate or better. 25% of them will be terrible. Beach
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did anyone hear about the NYC teachers that were reprimanded by staying after school (when they weren't being paid) to help kids that were dedicated enough to put in the time to do some extra work so that they could keep up with the class? They were reprimanded by the teachers' unions because the dedicated students were receiving more than their fair share of attention! Also, gridlock is good IMHO. Congress does best when nothing is done at all. What does Congress do? It makes and passes laws. There are already too many laws on the books. Think about it. Every time another law is passed, more freedom is curtailed. Congress works best when it is not in session.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    We are in agreement that the NEA has not done ANYTHING to better the educational system.But the Federal government has done nothing but make the NEA stronger, and I think it is naive to believe that this new education "package" that our illustrious federal government has dreamed up will do anything to curb the ills of the NEA. I do not think that the Federal government should be the police force that should go in and correct the ills of the educational system-This "policing" of the educational systems of the states is more responsible for the demise of public education than anything. This "policing" has and will continue to make the NEA stronger. The Feds have pandered to the NEA, and will continue to do so. Take the Feds out of the Education equation, and the NEA-FED and FED-NEA pandering will no longer be an issue.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo maybe you are right. Beach
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The cost of educating special needs children is astronomical. So are the costs of advanced technology. Would you prefer an increase in your local property tax to pay for it? Or should we leave the retarded kids home and have the other kids use an abacus? Education is the single most important thing for our country. I am not saying throwing money at it is a good idea, but an educated populace leads to a more productive and intelligent workforce.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Butcher- Would I want to see my local property taxes go up in order to pay for special needy students? Yup, I sure would. I would much rather pay more money to local government and less money to the Federal government, than the other way around.And I certainly recognize the need for an educated populace,but I think the states can handle educating their young without big brother telling them how to go about doing it.Why would you assume, that without the Feds in the education business, that people would not be educated. Do you really believe that the states are inept in educating their young? Do you really believe, that without federal intervention, the states would not be able, or want to educate those with special needs? Are the states that evil?
    Happiness is a warm gun[This message has been edited by salzo (edited 01-10-2002).]
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Butcher: I couldn't agree more about the need for an educated populace. The problem is, public education is in the crapper these days. They've changed educational priotities around, lowered standards, instituted such absurd policies as "social promotion", and the end result is that Johnny can't read.When I started fooling around on the internet a couple of years ago I was flabbergasted at the atrocious writing skills of so many people who frequent these message boards. I can pretty-much guess the ages of the people posting messages by looking at their spelling, sentence structure and punctuation. The younger they are the less proficient they are with the written word.I graduated from high school in 1966 and back then, if you didn't grasp the material, you repeated the grade over again until you DID have the skills to move on. Today, they're more concerned about the student's self-esteem than they are about their education.Sorry for the rambling. What I'm trying to say is that I think public education today is in very poor shape and I'm in favor of anything the Govt. can do to better the situation.
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lowrider, I am with you. I agree wholeheartedly (though I graduated high school years after you and hope I write well). I think that what has happened is that it is inevitable that money will be thrown at the problem. Too many pols get elected on that platform. Now people want to connect that money to accountability and I don't have one problem with that.
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know what the answer is or how to correct the problem. But, I can tell you without a doubt the U.S. is falling further behind every day. I got a letter from a family friend in Austria this morning. She used perfect sentence structure, grammer and spelling in her letter to me (written in English). This girl can also read/write/speak her native language, German and is proficient in Spanish and French. She can "get by" with her skills in about 3 other languages too. This is just the beginning. She knows more about American History than almost all of the people with whom I hang out and she can point out any country in the world on a globe. She is 16 years old.The education system in the United States is absolutely terrible. And, I don't think it's entirely the teachers' fault either. When I was young my father wouldn't accept anything but A's. Many of my friends were rewarded for getting C's or better. Lower your expectation, lower your results.I almost find it funny how so many of my peers complain that there are "too many Indians or Asians" taking away jobs from us. Well, wanna know why? It's because they are much more highly educated. Have you heard about some of today's kids who can't even read an analog clock?It's enough to make you shake your head and wonder what the hell happened....
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I've experienced the time-telling thing first hand. Several months ago as I was walking into the grocery store, a kid waiting at the bus stop asked me for the time. I told him it was "twenty 'till three." He looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. I then said, "two forty", and he mumbled his thanks and slinked off. I couldn't believe it. If it ain't a digital read-out it makes no sense to today's kids.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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