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beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
OK.....just a simple question for a yes or no vote. Do you believe you will lose the right to firearm ownership in your lifetime? Felons need not answer...you already have.

I don't believe I will. Beach
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Interesting question Beach.
    I wonder how the Brits would have answered 35 years ago.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well stanman....I have to give you an X-Ring on that one. Beach
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  • nitrouznitrouz Member Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, I already have.


    I'm a U.S. Military member sworn to protect the nation. The State of California will not allow me to bring some of my personal firearms into the State for personal and national defense.



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    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
    - Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
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  • shooter4shooter4 Member Posts: 4,457
    edited November -1
    Here in PRNJ I have already lost some of my gun rights, and I think we will lose more rights than we already did.

    I don't think we will lose all gun rights in our lifetime, but we will lose more. Maybe all semis, etc.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Most definately! I think for us all it will be in short order!
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  • chuckchuck Member Posts: 4,911
    edited November -1
    Yes, I am 66 years old and the first to go will be the simi auto, Pistols, Rifles, Shot guns. Their goes our 22 autos 1911 45s and 1100 Remington shot guns. KalRussia will be the FIRST state to take them, then the rest of the States will follow.[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe there is a very good chance of Americans losing the rights in my lifetime. If the worst case scenario happens, I believe that in addition to losing the right to guns, we will have a full blown government overthrow, because there are a lot of individuals who will not stand for it. What a lot of people are forgetting is that you dont need weapons to overthrow the government. IF/WHEN, indeed an overthrow of the government is attempted, it wont take weapons to do it, at least not those that shoots bullets, so when we lose our gun rights, it'll only be for a short time. Once the new government is set up, or rather the old members of it are replaced after they've resigned out of fear for their lives, we will have our guns back. Our country has already shown its extreme weakness to terrorism in more than one instance, its weakness to ticked off citizens desiring to restore their full rights is 100 times greater. Up till now, our citizens which have the intestinal fortitude to do such a thing have been complacent, but I assure you, they wont be when this worst case scenario occurs. It'll be something to see, or participate in, depending on your personal decision. Lets hope everyone who is in favor of gun control realizes what will happen before that day comes.

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    "Lets hope everyone who is in favor of gun control realizes what will happen before that day comes"

    I ferverantly hope they don't.

    The answer,of course...is of course.
    The reason it will happen,Beachmaster,is because good folks like you refuse to believe the evidence of your own eyes..the inroads made on guns in the last 30 years.

    We already have lost the 'Rights' to certain firearms..haven't we ?

    So good folks like you run around telling people.." trust your government...after all,I work for it.."

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    Yes, I can see it happening like robsguns said.





    Get the job done and come home safe guys.

    I rush in where others flee.
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rob-- Unfortunately, the worse case scenerio will not happen all at once. Rights and freedoms will erode gradually, like they have the past 40 years. Someday we will wake up to find that everything is gone...and even then, some won't wake up. No, I think we will go like bleating sheep.

    My humble opinion,
    Rafter-S

    "What is truth? No wonder jesting Pilate turned away. The truth, it has a thousand faces -- show only one of them, and the whole truth flies away! But how to show the whole? That is the question."
    --Thomas Wolfe, "You Can't Go Home Again" (1934)
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  • Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    I'm 60 and don't believe I'll see it in my lifetime.. But some will, I'm sure.. We need to take a lesson from Europe...

    Thats the reason we have to stay active in writing our elected officials..

    Do not give up any rights without a fight.. [B)]

    www.texasminutemen.org
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    I'm 45 - I think we are closer than 40 years ago - and the semi-autos will be going soon. If we do not wake these idiots up and take our rights back now - we are the sheep of which you refer...... Just say nooooooo to gun bans

    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We have already lost our right, gun ownership is now a privelege. When the idea of making us apply for CCWs the right was lost. When certain guns was banned, the right was lost.
    Gun laws are not wrote to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they are wrote to keep them out of our hands.
    Politicians are like diapers, every so often you need to change them, for obvious reasons.
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seeing that it's a god given right, NO, I won't ever lose the right to bear arms. The government may decide to stop recognizing that right, That doesn't mean I will no longer have it. And, it doesn't mean I will stop exercising it unless I stop breathing at the same moment.

    Woods
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  • elect1mikeelect1mike Member Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it happens I won't see it I would only give up my rights at the cost of my life I fear the way things are going but if the people are stupid enough to vote people in to do this to us then I am stupid enough to fight so I don't loose them. Didn't are fathers and grand fathers fight to keep this nation the way it was set up?

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    col elect1mike Illinois
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    O give me a home where no democrats roam
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  • LightningLightning Member Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just a matter of time.
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Beachmaster73...
    Do you begin to get the picture,reading through the commonsense replies herein ?
    You are going to have to think your position over...or just blindly reject the replies as being from idiots.

    I realize you have spent most of your life wrapped in the security of the fedgov..the rest of us have had to live with insane laws,perpetrated by people who hate and fear freedom for the average citizen.

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Beach: I honestly believe I will lose my rights to own handguns and semiautomatic rifles in my life time. Or at the very, very least there will be so many laws and restrictions I will be in such fear of accidently violating one of them and going to prison that I will just give up and get rid of all of them. Many here seem quite comfortable with having to thread their way through an excessive number of gun laws and restrictions. I don't have enough time to become a "firearms attorney" just so I can keep out of trouble and own guns. So what I have just described is one way the anti-gun crowd can and probably will get rid on one more gun owner. And this will probably include myself, my daughter, grandson, wife, mother and sister.

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • RhondaRhonda Member Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife came from Australia in 95, when handguns were regulated but you could own them. since then they have banned semi auto's (her son who is licensed CCW security in Oz lost his) and the government is now buying up all handguns, semi's, revolovers, ever T/C Contenders, along with reloading equiptment, ammo, leather, etc. How long will it take here, I'mm 55 and see the day coming, again semi's and 50 cal stuff first, then handguns, remaining rifles, and then the shotguns. Remember the gun of choice during the "roaring 20's"? Uses a lot of shtguns then as now (check your local crime statistics-shotguns will rpoblably be number 1) but the government can't afford to take on DU, NWTF, QU, etc just yet. To politically incorrect, get all the other stuff then convince the scattergunners the bad guys started using their precious shotguns so in the name of public safety, ya gotta turn them in.
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  • glynglyn Member Posts: 5,698 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think it will take a long time but it will happen.When I was a kid in the UK back in the 50s it was fairly common for some one to own a gun.Now of course we all know what has happened there.I think Kalifornia will get worse very fast,I have now started the process of moving out of here,cant wait for that day to come.

    Those who live by the sword will be killed by those who dont. Glyn
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It astounds me that the far from subtle paradigm shift from prescriptive to preemptive legislation in this country has escaped so many. By analogy, in the old days there was a maximum posted speed limit which, if exceeded, could result in a citation (prescriptive law). Now, automobiles capable of exceeding that speed limit can no longer be manufactured, and those legacy examples that can either are subject to special registration or banned entirely (preemptive law).

    This paradigm shift certainly is not limited to laws involving guns; Patriot Acts I & II are full of preemptive laws which no longer require commission of a specific violation, merely the real or suspected potential for it. Q: When does a pair of scissors stop being a household tool and start becoming a terrorist weapon? A: When the government says so.

    That we're in danger of losing our guns goes without saying; but the shift in the very nature of the preponderance of laws now being enacted is a threat to the most basic rights of us all.
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  • kissgoodnightkissgoodnight Member Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I move continually to other states as each state outlaws guns, I may out live the gun ban and keep my guns to my death. But I do not believe private ownership of guns will continue much past 2025.
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    DWS: I agree with you about the "preemptive" part. If laws actually worked to protect innocent citizens and to control criminal activity, there would be no need to physically limit the capacity of new mags. to only 10 rounds. It would only be necessary to pass a law making it illegal to be caught with a mag loaded with more than 10 rounds. (Hey Mark, got any gallows humor for me on this one? He, he, only kidding)

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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