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FBI fired as victim unbuckled, lawyer says (FOLLOWUP)

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
FBI fired as victim unbuckled, lawyer saysAgents ordered man from car at gunpoint
By Gail Gibson and Laura BarnhardtSun StaffOriginally published March 5, 2002, 10:03 AM ESTJoseph Charles Schultz, the Anne Arundel County man shot Friday after being mistaken for a bank robbery suspect, was reaching to unfasten his seat belt to comply with an FBI agent's order when the agent opened fire, an attorney for Schultz's family said yesterday."They told him to get out of the car, and he was trying to comply with that," attorney Joseph C. Asensio said.A single bullet from an M-14 assault rifle struck Schultz, 20, in the face, shattering his right cheek and jaw.His condition was downgraded to critical but stable this morning at Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore, where relatives and his girlfriend, Krissy Harkum, 16, were at his bedside yesterday.FBI officials, meanwhile, said police had arrested the man federal agents were searching for when agents mistakenly stopped Schultz.Michael J. Blottenberger Jr., 32, of the 1600 block of Locust St. in Baltimore, was charged with bank robbery and made an initial appearance yesterday before a federal magistrate.Schultz and Harkum, both of Pasadena, were returning home in her red Pontiac Grand Am after a shopping trip about 6 p.m. Friday when FBI agents in plain clothes and an unmarked car pulled the couple over on Fort Smallwood Road in Pasadena.The agents were looking for Blottenberger, who was wanted in connection with the Feb. 20 robbery of an Allfirst Bank branch and who was believed to be driving in a red sedan Friday.Asensio, a Glen Burnie attorney, said yesterday that two agents carrying assault-style rifles approached the car that Harkum was driving and ordered her and Schultz to put their hands in the air.After the couple complied, Asensio said, the agents ordered them to get out of the car.Schultz was shot when he reached over to unbuckle his seat belt, said Asensio, who met with Schultz, Harkum and their families at the shock trauma center Sunday.FBI officials have acknowledged that Schultz had no connection to the crime or to the suspect.Special Agent Barry A. Maddox, a spokesman for the FBI's Baltimore field office, said yesterday that he could not comment on Asensio's version of events. Citing bureau policy, Maddox said he could not provide any details of the shooting investigation or names of the agents involved in the incident."It's an ongoing investigation, so we're very limited about what we can say about it," he said.For the first time, however, the FBI indicated that the agent who fired the weapon Friday has been temporarily reassigned. "The agent involved in the shooting has been assigned to duties that will likely not involve armed confrontation," Maddox said.A team of FBI investigators was dispatched from bureau headquarters in Washington over the weekend to investigate the shooting. The FBI's findings will be reviewed by the Justice Department's civil rights division, which could bring charges in the case.Anne Arundel County police are conducting their own investigation; its results will be forwarded to county prosecutors. Two Anne Arundel County detectives were helping the FBI search for Blottenberger on Friday, but were not at the scene of the shooting, said Officer Charles Ravenell, a county police spokesman.An arrest warrant charged Blottenberger with robbing the Allfirst Bank branch in the 8400 block of Fort Smallwood Road in Pasadena on Feb. 20. A criminal complaint filed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Baltimore charged that Blottenberger took $26,324 in the armed robbery.Witnesses told police at the time that the robber left in a green pickup truck, and officers later recovered such a vehicle behind a nearby video store. Witnesses described the robber as a white male, 5 feet 7 inches to 6 feet tall and weighing 160 to 200 pounds, according to police reports.During an initial appearance yesterday before U.S. Magistrate Judge James K. Bredar, Blottenberger had short-cropped, light brown hair and wore wire-rimmed eyeglasses. He had a large tattoo on the back of his neck.Blottenberger, who has previous addresses in Essex and Glen Burnie, has a lengthy arrest record for charges including burglary, theft, drug possession and assault, state court records show.In court yesterday, Blottenberger acknowledged the bank robbery charge against him but did not enter a plea. Bredar ordered him held without bail after Blottenberger did not request a detention hearing.Blottenberger was arrested late Sunday after a chase that lasted nearly three hours and involved at least a dozen officers, canine and helicopter units, Anne Arundel County police said yesterday.Police first spotted him about 8 p.m. Sunday, driving a gold-colored Ford Escort at a Pasadena gas station. Officers in marked police cars tried to pull over Blottenberger, but he wouldn't stop, Ravenell said.Blottenberger abandoned the Escort at Oakwood Road and Fifth Avenue in Glen Burnie and was eventually captured in a fenced area of Evergreen Gene's Glen Burnie Garden Center in the 400 block of Crain Highway.County police immediately turned Blottenberger over to the FBI.Schultz, who is expected to recover, remained at the shock trauma center today. He was attached to a ventilator, making it impossible for him to speak, and his face was covered by bandages. Asensio said that Schultz is conscious and able to communicate."He can nod his head. I spoke to him a little bit, and he can understand," Asensio said.Schultz, an Eagle Scout, graduated from Northeast High School in Pasadena in 2000. Asensio said that Schultz was laid off in December from his most recent job, working with fiber optics at a local medical company.As a result of Friday's shooting, Schultz had a shattered right cheekbone and jaw, as well as damage to his nasal passages, the attorney said. The bullet had lodged in his left cheek, and it was unclear whether or when doctors would try to remove it."There's certainly going to be some extensive reconstructive surgery that's needed," Asensio said.Agents pulled Harkum from the car and threw her to the ground after the shooting, but she was not injured in the incident, Asensio said.At the hospital, Harkum and Schultz's relatives declined to comment yesterday.Asensio said: "Right now with regard to the family, they're just interested in finding the best medical treatment at the time and will go from there."This article was updated by SunSpot staff with information from the Associated Press. Sun staff writer Jackie Powder also contributed to this article. http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-shooting05.story

Comments

  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    w/m 5'7" to 6'0", 160 to 200lbs. Wow, that narrows it right down. No way it could've been mistaken identity. Especially since they knew it was a red sedan.
  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Give the Feeb's enough time and they will convert that seatbelt buckle into a full-auto 50 BMG so they can than claim that the shot was taken in self-defence, give the guy a medal and promote him to FBI director, they may have to tell a few lies to congress but that won't be anything new for them.Rant over
  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The trigger happy bastards will get away with it again.
    PC=BS
  • YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How many of you know who Joseph Solivit is? The FBI framed him for a crime that an informant did. He, Joseph, spent 30 years in jail. Think about that when people are praising the FBI. And think of your farher, brother or friend sitting there for 30 years and the people knowing he is inosent.
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    SPig, that's called sarcasm. Sorry I didn't make it more clear.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    That wasnt a typo, Saxon. Its just proof that both sides play this silly-* gun catch-phrase PR game.First of all: an M-14 is not an assault rifle. The Marines, who still use it for riflemen, categorize it as an infantry rifle. An M-16 is an assault rifle. There is a difference.Secondly: I can just picture some prim FBI agent with his calfskin gloves and his two piece suit carrying a huge M-14 when he inspects cars.Besides, a 7.62 NATO round would have blown the guy's head off his shoulders, not "lodged in his cheekbone".Maybe a Glock Model-14? It would make more sense.With that said, I'm willing to bet the agent probably made a major *. However, I refuse to make any concrete judgements based on an article full of purposeful PR inaccuracies.Show me real facts and I'll judge.
  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Supposedly these LE supermen receive the finest training (our) money can buy. One emphasis is on observation. So the clown orders the victim out of the car & then shoots him when he reaches for . . . his seatbelt??!! In other words, the feeb didn't notice the seatbelt or factor it into his "thinking"? And the feeb fired w/o seeing a weapon or anything like a weapon? This is training? This is the best money can buy? Give me a break. Saxon, sorry, this incompetent sack of fecal matter has - allegedly - received the finest possible training after being selected for the job as being better qualified than most that apply. What does that say about the selection and training? And we are supposed to trust and respect them? The average small town, part-time auxiliary officer has better discipline than this! Small wonder al-Quaida cells have operated w/ impunity in this country . . . the feebs are too busy shooting up / burning kids.
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bullzeye, I have a short video that I can send to you. It is an actual shooting at close range with an ak47 using 7.62x39. Without getting into to much detail here I will tell you that the shot to the face did leave a very noticable wound but his head is still intact and he survived that shot plus 4 more to the torso. If you want to see it let me know and I'll send it to you. Caution, very graphic.
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    The 7.62 X 51 (.308) M-14 round has a helluva lot more horsepower than the 7.62 X 39 round.But, it doesn't sound like anyone was carrying an M-14 anyway.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I missed the nato in his post lowrider. oops. Besides I would like for some of the die hard ak lovers to see it.
  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would anyone else like to hear opinions on this issue from our friends who are in law enforcement? I'm sure they must have interesting observations. Gentlemen?
  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another good reason why one should never, ever, ever pull-over for a "unmarked" law enforcement car.Put on your hazzard lights, dial 911 with your cell-phone, continue driving until a marked police car is behind you.(This is especially important for a woman alone to remember. Law enforcement in unmarked cars attempting to stop other drivers demonstrate that they are NOT professionals--the professionals use their radios and call a marked vehicle to intitiate the stop. Too many women have been abducted by creeps with flashing lights in their cars; professional law enforcement know this, and won't use the technique.)
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    The M4 doesnt make a lot of sense either.A 5.56mm round should have gone right through the guy's jaw, out the other side, through and car door and through the telephone pole on the other side.I just cant fathom it getting lodged in his jawbone.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    See, this is why I dont like to support any article that cant get it's facts straight.We've gone from M-14, to M-4, and later we'll probably go something altogether different.Maybe a Barret M82A1 .50BMG?Since this news source seems only interested in furthering their anti-gun agenda, it wouldnt surprise me.
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am outraged that the agent was reassigned instead of being suspended without pay pending criminal investigation. He should be terminated without pension rights at the very least. As to the other agent who slammed the girl onto the ground without cause, he needs to be seriously disciplined.Making the right judgement under the stress of a dangerous situation or coming apart altogether and losing it may not be just a matter of training but of personality and character. I question whether these traits can be tested for.
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Hey guys ever hear of the Mini-14 Some were bought by the Feeb's a couble of years ago. As for the bullet not drilling through the bone or blowing his head off Think about it He was in a car and it probably had to go through the back or side window if it didn't clip any metal or the seat back
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Oh and guys if you think a 5.56 is so great on penetrating cars find an old junker and put a couple of rounds through the door and see what it will do to a cardboard target in the front seat.. It will send you looking for an FN or HK or another 7.62 Nato weapon
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    As a member of law enforcement, I would first like to strongly agree with the advise of Competentone. NEVER pull over for an unmarked car.........Second, I believe this was a horrible mistake by the FBI (both the shooting and the procedure of using an unmarked car with plaincloths officers) and someone should lose their job over it.
    It's the stuff dreams are made of AngelNRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe the FBI uses a M-4 with a 9mm or .45 pistol caliber conversion.
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    "...someone should lose their job over it...?"Someone should go to prison over it. Just like the rest of us would if we'd done the shooting.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    I was refering to the supervisor of the agents involved. Of course the agent, if found guilty in a jury trial (the same right everyone has), should do serious prison time.Sorry I was not more clear in my post.
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