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Undercover Message Board......Was it?

RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
Recently many of the "Posters" on this forum became angry for having been used......., but I think for the wrong reasons! Some thought it to be a "College Prank" while others just thought it was a "sick" person with some personal agenda unknown to us. There were some other "reasons" for this behavior offered also, but I feel NONE of these were the true motive for what happened over the summer. Here's what I think actually occurred.

I believe this whole thing was a "TEST" to determine if a Forum such as this could be used for someone's clandestine purposes. These purposes may include such things as propaganda, or disseminating false information, or even for the purpose of providing a "Message Center" with which to post "coded messages" for such a Group's communication needs. The "Personals" column of a newspaper has long been famous for such uses! Why not this Forum?

Am I being paranoid about this? NO! I think I am only being very realistic as to the real possibilities of such a scenario. Why would such effort be put into such an event over the time this event occurred, if the person or persons behind it was only perpetrating a "hoax" for the purpose of doing so, or making a practical joke or experiment for a College course? Such a "TEST" as we experienced did a lot of things for the Posters on this board, but it also showed the Perps a lot of things also. They would have learned where and how they made their mistakes and what to do that worked and what not to do that didn't work or work well. This education was invaluable! I believe they learned a lot from their ruse and endeavor! I doubt we will ever know exactly what we really did experience. But, I also feel we learned enough to know and spot such activities in the future! Whether or not this should be, or is being investigated by some authorities is unknown to me, but I would think the interest of prudence would dictate that it should be. I would definitely encourage such an investigation of this. What do you think about this? I don't want to be "right" or "wrong" on this, just want to share my thoughts regarding such a possibility.





Edited by - RancheroPaul on 09/05/2002 11:22:49
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Posing" on boards of all types has been around since the beginning of the Internet. Dating boards especially are notorious for inviting such behavior. Why should our board be any different? That people can present themselves any way they like is understandable in its own right, without the need of introducing the possibility of some coordinated agenda or unsavory infiltration. Your frequentation of old posts and the fact that you feel the way you do is the poser's greatest accomplishment.

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DARN! and NOW you notice go to . http://www.ou-research.com

    An then ... TURN REALY PARANOID !!!!!!!

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the invitation to the lunatic fringe website Dread, think I will pass.

    A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think 'we', as in 'I' learned anything. I was skeptical from day 1 and didn't believe any of it. Getting shot and leaving the hospital the same day? Relative sending a message to a forum member then coming onto the board to see what everyone was saying? I'm not personally faulting anyone but I like to think I'm a little smarter than that to fall for such fiction.

    GL

    BTW, this was my other $.01
  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Being the first to "voice" my skepticism I "learned" what an idiot I was from some.......but still proved to be correct. But, I really think there was more to it than actually ended up meeting the eye. I would like it better if there wasn't! As you say, I know there were quite a few skeptics, some who said so and some who didn't. It did "Stink" from the very beginning! The diversity of the subsequent posts about so many things really started me to thinking this way, though.

    It could be I need to explore the possibility of "joining up with Dread" as he seems to have "cornered the market" so to speak! Hahahaha!!
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok, would everyone who stated some skepticism about a troll before he was discovered please step forward to receive your pat on the back so we can get this over with?

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There's no way you're going to keep people from using this or other boards to post messages and pass along intel. You're wasting brain power trying to prevent it or worry about it.

    For example, if one of my people gets tossed in the klink unjustly and we're trying to decide whether or not to go get him out, I could make "Benelli Shotgun" the Go word and Beretta 92FS the Belay word.

    So, if Evil were to post a thread about the Benelli Shotgun (That'd be part of the title), then the guys would know to meet at "the spot" and be ready to do the deed.

    If I were to post a "Beretta" thread, then they know to stand down and wait for further instruction.

    See how easy it'd be? Nobody would be the wiser, either. All you'd think is that Evil is asking for opinions on a certain firearm...Hmmmm....

    Se how crazy you'd drive yourself? There's a million possible variations of that very situation, so don't put your brain into ovedrive trying to figure it all out.

    Focus on more inportant things like political activism in your home state and neighborhood.

    When was the last time you printed up some flyers and handed them out at the mall....

    Stand And Be Counted
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    John has a long mustache-The chair is in the corner-John has a long mustache-The chair is in the corner...



    Well...I thought it was funny.
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Txs: Milius is still laughing about that.

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Has anybody considered that, the situation in question was done by some liberal POS in order to get us suspicious of each other?
    Or to sour us on this board, and get so dejected that we will stop posting, and therefore stop communicating with each other,therefore fracturing 2nd amendment support?(sorry about the long run-on sentence,I think faster than I can type.)
    Just a thought.

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wouldn't it be funny if the Williams deal was something cooked up by the owners of this board to truly locate the posters?

    Everyone responded, and now they have all the information..........


    Dread said it was going to happen!
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My opinion is that,and only that.But you have to admit these jerks were good.I first scratched my head when the alleged wife made a post.Quote(something really bad happened to my husband last night and he is really down I would like to buy him a gun to cheer him up can you suggest something?)Unquote.If I had to take a human life I would not want a firearm for an award or buy a new one to toy with.And did anyone notice the large amount of guns he was claiming to buy?I just hate the thought of a group or etc,useing a firearms forum to do what ever.Something else to be used against us.Of course it worked out good,everyone came together and our wise Owls figured it out quickly so we came out way ahead.We know who had the last laugh.

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    It'a water under the bridge gentleman!! why keep dwelling on it?
  • TOOLS1TOOLS1 Member Posts: 6,133
    edited November -1
    Evil I'm confused. Are we suposed to meet at the asinged location, or are we suposed to wait?
    TOOLS

    When I was a child, I thought as a child. But now that I am growen, I just wish I could act like a child and get away with it.
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Hey Txs!-

    PBR Streetgang, this is Almighty..over.

    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Evil, I thought you said Ruger 77, and and Oly Arms Wolverine?

    Now I am not sure if I should go there or wait. Maybe I will go there and wait there. Why couldn't you just say, "get Blackie and the boys and meet me at the hideout."

    A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand

    Edited by - He Dog on 09/05/2002 18:39:51
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The weasel is in the clock Bushobi and the beaver is on the wheel. 0111 hrs.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Can I go mambo dog face in the banana patch?

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
  • treedawgtreedawg Member Posts: 321 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think it was just some pathetic acne farmer getting his jollies by story-telling between sessions of five knuckle shuffle and hitch-hiking under the covers

    Bartman
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Obviously the person has no self respect or they would have been so insulted about all these very bright people's assumptions about them by now that they would have been compelled to confess just to make themselves appear slightly less ridiculous.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • tesla85tesla85 Member Posts: 728 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You people watch to much X-files or something.


    When they come to get your GUNS, make sure to give them the AMMO first!!!
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Actually it was a hoax perpetuated by a liberal half-a-man with all the back-bone of a jelly-fish.He lurks online because he's 10' tall,and bullet-proof, online that is.IRL he's a mealy-mouthed, dignified moron, confused about his sexuality, and who, if faced with anyone on this board, would crawl into the fetal position, and beg for his life.He's more at home behind a computer, than in a social situation, because he doesn't want to be discovered for the "Hooray for Hilary" cheerleader that he REALLY is! He has never scored with women, and probably never will(after all, there are some things that even a CRACK-WHORE won't do!)He's ugly and probably has some kind of physical deformity (like a teeny-weeny!).His mother doesn't love him,
    his father doesn't claim him, and worst of all HE'S A LOUSY SHOT!!!

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
  • 10millybilly10millybilly Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been holding my tongue on this whole topic since i read about it a few months ago.At the time i admit i did think it sounded a bit strange because of just how much info he gave.Now i see everyone saying they were hurt and angered by what this dude did and i dont know why.This is the internet nothing but faceless names.Nobody here seems to be accepting the fact that this dude might really be dead.No one knows his real name nobody knows where he actually was from and nobody knows how he might have died.He could have died from a coronary while sitting on the commode and his brother wanted it to sound more dramatic than my brother died on the crapper from pushing to hard.I dont know when the last time people checked but getting shot in this country is in no way a uncommon occurence and leaving the hospital after getting shot the same day is just as common as getting shot itself is.Was he a weird individual?definately.Was he a liberal gun snatcher?i dont think so.He seemed to like and enjoy guns.Dont let the actions of one person make you bitter or untrusting of other members of this board because you will be painting everyone with one wide brush stroke for the misconduct of one person which is rather liberal in itself i think.This guy could really be deceased under different name,city,circumstances or he could have just been someone coming to bull * the bull shitters.My personal opinion is that he is dead because i dont see anyone posting as much as he did or rising to the level of posts he had just dropping off the face of the earth.I think some here are a bit to paranoid to be thinking it is secret code and liberals trying to get you.Thats just my opinion though.
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    imi shemi pek pogida

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    4GodandCountry...
    Some do understand what that means.... *LOL....Korean...and I aint going further with it ... *LOL


    Lil' Stinker's Opinion
  • txnhntrtxnhntr Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WTF!!!!!

    glen e nuinez
  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    10millybilly.......

    Did you know it is "Lurkers" that watch for months.....then decide they have something spectacular to say and "join up" to say it?

    It seems sort of like the "TROLL" might have gotten trolled out.

    You're definitely right about one thing....this is the Internet. That means your arrival and your philosphy was expected by many and by me! Welcome......we did need a replacement BullS**ter!

    Oh yes, "What the hell are Federal High Shocks?" Here we go again!



    Edited by - RancheroPaul on 09/06/2002 12:45:21
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    10millybilly,
    We've been waiting for you.....

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.

    Edited by - thesoundguy1 on 09/06/2002 13:59:32
  • 10millybilly10millybilly Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess you need to buy a turban and team up with miss cleo than since you expected me to arrive.Thats phsychic if you ask me.I didnt sign up to comment on this i signed up to ask for opinions on the other forum and so what if i have been reading before posting i saw before where you said you have been coming here for a long time and you dont have many posts seems like you have doing alot of it yourself.If this board does need a replacement bullshitter let me be the first to say.I hate to see you go.
  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You seem to have read an awful lot into what I said. I'm not going anywhere, that is unless what I'm hearing here is a threat. I was kind enough to welcome your "BullS**t" so you will just have to put up with mine.......or not join my posts.

    Trust me, there are a lot others who have your number, also! Your own comments state you've watched for months......now suddenly you are overcome by your own need to spout great thoughts and philosophy....so you join up and begin......Hahahahaha! That is Beautiful!

    You're right....I don't have a lot of posts for having been around a couple of years.......not just a day like you. Pisses me off too! But, you seem to know a lot about me for only having been around for less than 48 hours......but I have a life which doesn't let me wallow in "bullsh**" 24 hours a day like you seem to have. Now you just go ahead and post your little brain to death.....I can't hardly wait for more of your "intelligent bullsh**!"



    Do you know why they say a leopard doesn't change his spots? Habits are hard to break! Now, I'll just sit back and watch the Professional weave his/her tangled web of deceit!



    Edited by - RancheroPaul on 09/06/2002 13:03:21
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Sorry 10 millybilly,
    But the type of person that would perpetuate a bad "joke" like the one that ran on this board, is exactly the way I described him in my earlier post on this thread.I've faced down gutless punks like him in the past and I'll do it again,if this mush-brained, man-b!+(#, had the nads to meet me IRL.But, alas that will never happen, because the scumbag is the type of person that likes to take cheap shots then run.
    That's why he is married to his computer!He is not man enough to stand up in a face-to-face confrontation.He doesn't take responsability for his actions. When things go wrong in his life, it's always someone else's fault.That's what makes him a liberal POS.
    This is a guy that lives off his rich, emotionally void parents, in the garage apartment, next to his parents house, and gets the attention
    he never got from mommy and daddy by doing things like this!
    In short this the kind of guy that should be out-lawed from ever
    procreating!

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
  • faldumfaldum Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ranchero---
    Just wondering....how is it possible to "spot such activities in the future?"
    Faldum
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    If EWilliams you do be,
    You should dangle from a tree.
    Your flesh should rot and skin should boil,
    And burry you not beneath the soil.
    Let demons feast upon your soul
    because you are a real as-hole!


    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes I favor registration and confirmation by a valid no record police certification and use of the real name to enter forums as this , but because some abuse of their freedoms I dont want anyone loosing their rights here as we have done in our numbered and monitored real lives... For me It stops here.....

    Lets move on OK !


    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    quote:
    Sometimes I favor registration and confirmation by a valid no record police certification and use of the real name to enter forums as this , but because some abuse of their freedoms I dont want anyone loosing their rights here as we have done in our numbered and monitored real lives... For me It stops here.....

    Lets move on OK !


    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )


    Dread.....Is that really you?

    .218
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Ya know Bee, Ol Dread is a GREATLY misunderstood individual. Colorful to boot!!
  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've noticed how most of these new lurker posters sort of appear like a vapor from a jar. Could it be reincarnation? If so, I don't believe in that middle eastern garbage anymore than I believe in CNN.
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