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Poachers caught!

RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
Found this at another chat site.....Ottumwa, Iowa Courier reports that 6 Arkansas bowhunters were arrested for poaching south of Bloomfield, Iowa 11/6. Seems they were using radios, ATV's to poach deer. They would cut off the heads and leave the carcass's lay to waste. Appears all were using resident tags acquired thru friends when they didn't get drawn for non-resident out of state tags.Another bust was made of some other southern hunters (Louisanna and some other states) who stopped at a Dairy Queen near Saint Louis. Unfortunately a Missouri Conservation Officer was there getting a cone as well. The officer started asking questions and everything began to unravel...they had 11 illegal deer, all were taken with Iowa resident licenses. They are looking at potential fines in excess of $38,000 and may also be in violation of the Lacey Act....if so these could bring additional fines as much as $10,000 per count.
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  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't matter if you can't do the time.Or you ain't got the dime.You shouldn't have done the crime!
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  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PS How's the finger?
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Glad they got caught! Folks like that ruin for everyone.
    When it absolutely, positively,has to be destroyed overnight.....U.S. MARINES. will270win@aol.com ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    sxsman, finger looks much better...well, whats left of it. Should get stitches out next week. Going bow hunting in the morning to try it out.Poachers like this really urk me, so obsessed with something to hang on the wall they pull stuff like this. I hope they confiscated all their equipment and vehicles, then fine them in bankrupcy. Really a great example to set for young hunters and the non hunting public, wouldn't you say?
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    I keep hearin` this talk about tags ,....what`s that all about???.218
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  • gunnutgunnut Member Posts: 724 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You know those antlers are hard to eat, these people make me sick...
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    BeeKeep we don't have 'em in Fl 'cause there's just to many deer to be taggin'. Would have to kill bunches of trees to tag all thet meat!
    When it absolutely, positively,has to be destroyed overnight.....U.S. MARINES. will270win@aol.com ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kept the heads and left the bodies to rot? What a bunch of #$%#$$#@%!!! Kill pests and leave 'em for the coyotes, sure, but killing a game animal and wasting it---faugh! Hope they go hungry some day! Bet they would remember those deer they killed and wasted. String 'em up by their thumbs.
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Makes me sick. I hope that they throw the whole book at them. I happen to know a few people in the north woods who poach, but in a different manner, for a different reason. They're poor, and feed their families with the meat. I have no grudge against that, espescially since they are too proud to accept welfare. The guys in the story are pigs, glad they got caught!!!!!!
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is the one & only place I would LIKE PETA to step in as those people are just scum, and give hunting a bad rap. I hope they get every fine possiable, as well as their "friends" that gave them the tags ... that would be concidered a "Straw" purchase if they were buying a gun ...
    GUN CONTROL: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • PETAPETA Member Posts: 5
    edited November -1
    See, there IS something we can agree on, it's a start...Sorry to hear about your finger...PETA LIVES...YOU KNOW THE REST..
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PETA,It may be the start, but its also the end. As I said "This is the one & only place I would LIKE PETA to step in".... Don't think you'll make a convert because the only PETA I support is "People Eating Tasty Animals" ... after all if God didn't want us to eat game animals, why did he make them taste so good?
    GUN CONTROL: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • PETAPETA Member Posts: 5
    edited November -1
    kimberkid,Stop it your scaring me...I really like all the tough talk on this board...But thats all it ever is, just talk..PETA LIVES...YOU KNOW THE REST.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PETASorry to disapoint you but I dont waste time talking tough ... I'm too slow a typest and have better things to do.
    GUN CONTROL: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • soopsoop Member Posts: 4,633
    edited November -1
    Gun deer season starts here in Michigan on the 15th. Never been bothered by the peta gang on opening day,but have been by trespassers and poachers.This year we hope to catch them on video and 35mm cameras so we can prosecute them.When you think of it ,they are every bit as bad as peta. They disrupt the hunt and chase away the deer and in general,just destroy my quiet day in the woods.
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, my brother found a antlerless buck head and the remains of a poached deer on OUR PROPERTY last weekend. Seems some * decided to shoot a deer (probably from his truck at night) and butcher it right there. There obviously wasn't a tag in the ear. I'm not really that mad about the person not tagging the deer, who knows, maybe it was one of those "poor" people feeding his family. BUT, why couldn't he do it on state land or something? I wait all year for firearm deer season and if this chump got my buck... Well, anyway, I don't like poachers much.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Tags,expensive licenses,expensive designer rifles,thousand dollor scopes,designer hunting close..this kind of bull$hit makes me angry...hunting was once a man`s way of feedin` the family,ease off into the woods with what ya got,whether it be a .22,32-20,or a shotgun.Now we "owe it to the game we kill" to kill them (deer)with something that will blow a hole in them at least 4 inches wide where it exits.Anybody who tells PETA that they are feeding there family,with that custom rifle,and all this other expensive crap is full of $h!+!!!Makes me want te kill my next deer with a .218...on somebody elses property,out of spite!!~~~~~~~~~~~~Bee Man Of Alcatraz~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  • gunnutgunnut Member Posts: 724 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    218, I agree. Just was wondering how many deer have been killed with a simple cheap 22lr? Lets face it guys you dont need a custom weatherby mag w/ a swaroski scope to do the job. But then again least its legal Stir, Stir, Stir
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My dad killed more deer with a .22LR than with any other gun. Never tasted any meat besides venison or veal until he went in the army. Personally, I use his ancient Winch 94, or a .44 Mag wheelgun.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Timberbeast- Just playing devils advocate here, but why would you think it is "ok" for someone to poach when it is to feed their family? Would it be "ok" for someone to steal food from a store, so that the thief could feed their family?
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    salzo: If you live off the land, meaning your own land, I think it is acceptable to shoot deer out of season for food. My grandparents lived off their land. There was a grocery store in town. They didn't steal from the store. Not even with food stamps!!There's a big difference, in my opinion. This was the depression, salzo.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Timberbeast- The state(who feel that they in fact own the game on your property) would feel differently. They would certainly consider it stealing.Would it be acceptable for a person who does not own land, and is unable to poach, to walk into a supermarket and steal a steak to feed his starving family?I am a part of a family trust, and we collectively own land in New York. We pay taxes on the land, but the state of New York does not feel it is appropriate for us to pay the resident fees for hunting licenses. For us to buy hunting licenses, it is ridiculously exspensive. We hunted the property for years without licenses. I never thought what we were doing was right, but I took comfort in the fact that we never took more than the limit, always obeyed the rules and regulations(well except the rule about having a license when hunting), and always ate what we killed. Two years ago we decided that the next season, we would get licenses. We did not make it to the next season-we GOT BUSTED!! We paid our fines, and now we pay for the non resident licenses. Of course we all griped about having to pay the enormous price for the license, and how it was ridiculous that we pay the taxes on the property, and still have to pay for non resident licenses,and it certainly was a hardship to shell out all of that money, but none of us EVER thought it was OK for us to hunt without licenses. Sure we tried to justify it by the fact that we felt we were being ripped off by the state, and our tax money more than paid for our right to hunt. But the fact that the state was ripping us off, did not give us an excuse to steal game.
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  • in2b8uin2b8u Member Posts: 115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I went to the state DNR office today to talk to the LEO there. We are going to place a sting op during buck and doe season on my farm and my neighbors farm starting next week w/ the states robo deer. I have had people aim their weapons at my house, my horses, and my dogs during gun season from their vehicles while road hunting. This year I decided to so something about it. They were pretty excited when they found out that we could place them in the barn and out of the weather. Ill let you know how it goes.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    And then they allow the killing of little button bucks during the season,..what kind of hunter wants to do that!!??.218[This message has been edited by 218Beekeep (edited 11-13-2001).]
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I, too, pay for a nonresident license on land that I own (160 acres) out of state. (125.00, license, 650.00 taxes), and I'm leaving tomorrow, season starts on Thursday. If I don't pay it, I'm busted, but I always have paid it. I'm not talking about people who violate for the sake of hunting. I'm talking about people who used to live off the land, and had no other means of survival, besides hunting, trapping, fishing, growing their own gardens and refused to accept a dime from the "state". Doesn't seem to me that they decimated the herd any.....huh? I'd much rather see a family kill what it needs to survive (by the way, the steaks in the store don't belong to the state, they are private property), than to pay more taxes to support them through welfare. They are at least taking care of themselves. I'd also rather have a hungry family taking game for survival, than to see "Indians" granted special rights, calling themselves a "separate nation", opening casinos, and then killing and leaving WHOLE DEER in plain sight just to shove it in someone's face, or spearing walleyes, and leaving anything "too small" floating on the water just to piss off licensed anglers, and reducing the bag limits for native Americans whose relatives didn't happen to be born here. I'd also rather see a law-abiding citizen carrying a handgun without a CCW (The Constitution gives him that right), than to see a bunch of punks with stolen guns running around. I see no gray area. The steaks in the supermarket are private property. Yhe animals in the woods belong to the PEOPLE of the state, not the DNR, or the legislators. Would you bring charges against someone who killed a deer out of season to feed his kids? Or against a man such as my late father, who watched his dad die when he was twelve, and had only a few traps and a .22 single shot to feed himself and his mother, because his mother was out of work when the logging camps shut down in the depression?
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Beast,we`re on the same page here,as I recall,you hunt with an old 94 in 32 Win. Special,and I could never see you as one of these designer types.This is what it`s all about.It seems to me we have no right to claim that we`re just feeding our family,when we`re using all this expensive stuff to do it.Paid hunts,every contraption under the sun,it all seems a bit uppidy to me.When someone gets in our face,and wants to know why we hunt,..we should just be honest,and tell them that it is the only thing that seperates us from them.That we were raised this way,and it is the right way to live.And ask them why they want to live five feet away from their neigbor!!Ol` .218 sounds like an old *!!.218[This message has been edited by 218Beekeep (edited 11-14-2001).]
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lets look at more than "the state owns the deer. If I own the land, I own the trees and ALL vegetation, therefore the state owes me for feeding the deer and for providing habitat. Hows that. I don't own hunting land but I could care less if they have a tag, as long as the meat goes on the table and not a head on a wall. Trophy killers suck. You can't eat a rack. Now if you shoot a massive buck and eat it as well, thats fine.
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beekeep, hell, I've never touched a Weatherby, can't afford one, so why bother, kinda like test driving a Porsche when my 89 F-250 suits me fine. Yep, 1940's-era model 94 in .32 Win. Spl. Sold the old 38-55 last year (dangit!!). Williams peep sights. Does anything I ask it to do, and I know what NOT to ask it to do!
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Yeah beast,I`m still usin my 82 F-150.I admit that I have an adiction to older american hunting rifles,about 27 Savages,maybe 9 Marlins ,some winchesters and othr stuff...but none cost over $500. and the average cost was ..maybe $250.Also I buy a lot of older Weaver and Redfield scopes ,for an average cost of $50.I have no use for that stuff that might shoot 1/4 inch better than my stuff at 150 yards,but cost 4 times more...what kind of bargain is that????I have my habit..and I admire guys like you,beast,and shane,who just step out with the trusty lever and knock em down,..to me this is the way...My Dad used a Win. M-12 on deer and birds,a 25-20 lever gun on gators,till he wore it out,then had his uncle bore it to 32-20(without electricity) and kept on goin..that was likely the rifle that killed more gators than any other riflethat was ever built.It should be in a museum someplace!!.218
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    .218 Bee 25-20 32-20
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