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Red Cross a fake?

guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
I am glad to see the truth come out about how the red cross is going to spend the money donated to the 9-11 fund. They say less than 50% will go to victims and families of the attacks. Did any of you guys hear about this? About two years ago, we had a tornado come thru the country and wiped out all of my neighbors farms. I spent three weeks on a bobcat and boomtruck helping clean up the debris. The only time I ever seen the red cross was when the t.v. cameras were around. They would stop once a day with water or coffee, but they acted like it was a big hassle. The Salvation Army came around All the time! They had food, water, work gloves, almost anything we needed! I am not kidding, after we got all the wooden debris on one farm in a pile to burn, the decision to burn that night was made. As dark approched and we prepared to light it up, the Salvation Army shows up with pop, chips, and hot dogs! I know who gets my donations forever. I am not trying to bad mouth the Red Cross,,, I just think the have forgotten the mission!
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  • TARZANSEALTARZANSEAL Member Posts: 27 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    5 YEARS AGO 1A.M. THE APT. COMPLEX I LIVED IN BURNED TO THE GROUND. A IDIOT IN A DIVORCE TRIED TO KILL HIS EX BY ARSON. FIRE DEPT. CALLS THE RED CROSS. THEY HANDED OUT VOUCHERS FOR A LOCAL HOTEL. THIS HOTEL WAS SO RUN DOWN AND DIRTY MY WIFE PUT TOWELS DOWN TO WALK ON. HOOKERS EVERYWHERE. I KNEW THEN HOW DONATIOS WERE SPENT.
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  • s.guns.gun Member Posts: 3,245
    edited November -1
    I have heard more than a dozen people tell things about the Red Cross that are very similar to your's. Never once in my life have I heard one thing bad said of the Salvation Army.
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  • REBJrREBJr Member Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Same here, had big flood in S. Ohio about 5 yrs back, people's homes washed away, (mine was safe) all I saw given out was a little 1 gal bucket Marked with logo of course!, that had bottle of cleaning fluid and rubber gloves. Busch, ( the beer folks) sent water and firefighters assoc. sent cots and blankets, and ditto Salvation Army sent food, and a heck of a lot of it, all flown in bt National guard. If it had been up to the red cross, we'd all have died cleaning
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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lady with RC on O'Reilly the other nite said they have received $290 MIL in donation for NYC relief. How much of it have they spent?She wouldn't say.Oh yea, she said they need at least another 200 MIL to accomplish "their goal". Of course she wouldn't elaborate on what the "goal" was.
    "Audemus jura nostra defendere"- - - - - - - - - - - - - It is useless to hold a person accountable for anything they say while in love, drunk, or running for office. [This message has been edited by Pelican (edited 10-27-2001).][This message has been edited by Pelican (edited 10-27-2001).]
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  • bradf111bradf111 Member Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The head of the Red Cross just resigned 10/26/01 because she disagreed with the Red Cross Board of Directors on how money collected for the 9/11 fund should be spent.She believed that money donated for 9/11 should and must be used for 9/11 activities and not mixed for use in any other Red Cross emergency projects.The Board of Directors didn't see it that wayThey believe it can be mixed so they "accept-ed" her resignation, effective immediately. How many, of you, and others donated $$$ to be used for 9/11 and now will be happy to hear that the Red Cross will use those funds for ANY emergency that they desire?
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    The Red Cross is nothing but a big business. Just like the United Way. I think Bob Dole's old lady was being paid around $300K when she headed-up the Red Cross. I'd be surprised if 10 cents on the dollar of money donated actually gets to the people who need it.Tired of your low-paying dead-end job?Start a charity. There's big bucks just a-waitin' to be made.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Healy resigned because of an argument over the 531 million dollars donated to the families of the wtc catastrophy. She wanted the money to be separate from the general fund so that the families could have access to it but the committee wouldn't allow it to happen.The greedy committee wants it most likely to fill their pockets via so called pay raises.This money was donated specifically for the WTC victims families and should go to them. After all, the money was asked for by the Red Cross for that purpose and anything else is FRAUD! I would be looking into a law suit to force the the red cross to send the money money where it should be sent.It wouldn't surprise me if some of the money went into the international RC and ending up feeding the taliban and asama bin laden.[This message has been edited by alledan (edited 10-27-2001).]
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Red Cross SOLD coffee and donuts in Korea whenever they came around. They didn't get much respect from the GIs who always managed to be using the piss-tubes (155mm shell containers in a pile of rocks) when Red Cross workers were about. They gave the impression it was beneath their dignity to be there.My Father told me his observations of the good work of the Salvation Army in WW1. They were there in times of need with no strings attached.In '62 or '63 there was an expose of all the charities. It showed how little was really distributed in benefits and how much was absorbed by administrative costs.Since then The Salvation Army has gotten my exclusive vote.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    SOLD! What is this SOLD s$$t? There should not have been a price on coffee or anything else for that matter. The RC is a bunch of parasitic lice!!
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gotta go with v35 on this. Back in the middle 50's there was a flood in Connecticut. I was there visiting. The Red Cross came aroundSELLING repeat SELLING coffee and doughnuts to those of us who were working to clean up.The Salvation Army was GIVING away coffee and doughnuts. I haven't given a nickel to the Red Cross since and don't plan on starting.
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When 9/11 happened I went to my local VOLUNTEER fire dept. and made a sizable donation to the fund for families of the people who gave thier lives without asking for anything in return. I know they will take care of thier own, and I know it will almost all go where it was intended to go. I also give money to the S.A. and to a homeless shelter run by a local church.I NEVER give through united way or the red cross.
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  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wasn't going to bring this up, but since there seems to be a pattern here. My grandfather once told me that during WW II the red cross would not give any blood to our GI's in France and Germany. They said it was up to the army to supply blood for the troops, and the blood they had was for the citizians. Now, I do not know if this is true, maybe someone else has been told this too. If it is true,,, they suck!
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So some of you have seen the light....Some victims from Hurricanes 5 years ago are still wating for help..... Best Charitys: Shriners,Catholic releif funds,Salvation Army (Most expenditures goto dirrect help to the people)Red cross had gone indeed "RED" with "POLITICS"
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  • rsnyder55rsnyder55 Member Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I find it interesting they are collecting blood donations. I don't think too many people needed blood.Way back when I was on leave, I had a motorcycle accident that placed me in the hospital. I gave the Red Cross money to send a telegram to my post commander to let them know I was in the hospital and would not be back when expected.When I got back to the base, I was put in the brig because I was AWOL. They had never sent the telegram!!I will never donate anything to them again.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Sorry b@$$tards.......that last one just about put me over the edge!!!!!!~Bee Man of Alcatraz~
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  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also will not give money to the rc but give blood on a regular basis and although I don't agree with how money is spent I urg you all to give blood.You may never know the life you save,but you might.Your mother or wife,or even your own.Don't discount the importance of giving blood.
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  • YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another point is the local charities are going to have a hard time this year because all the money is going to New York. So send what extra you can afford to your locals.We all have our favorites, so a little extra will be greatly appreciated.
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  • usmc2498215usmc2498215 Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What I remember of the Red Cross in Vietnam was this: When we would come back to our base from some operation, the Red Cross and Salvation Army would be there with coffee, donuts, and sometimes burgers. If you walked up to the Red Cross canteen truck, the price for coffee and a donut was about a dollar, and you were s.o.l. if you didn't have any money with you. So, then you walk over to the Salvation Army canteen truck, and the same coffee and donut, and even the burgers, were given to you, FREE!!! That was 33 years ago for me, and to this day, the Salvation Army is one of the very few organizations I donate to consistantly. The Red Cross does not get a dime from me.
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Shriner's provides hospitals and staff for children with disabilities. I had four operations on my right hand and arm, thanks to them. I have heard nothing but bad info from both RC and United Way. The refinery pushes the contractors every year to get their employees to give to the United Way. I always tear up the info in front of my foreman or Super and tell them about the corruption of UW. Why will they never learn - maybe those deductions they get from the goverment and the ease of direct deductions set up by UW. They pull in some big bucks and have no accountability.......
    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
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  • WJRWJR Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anybody have any experience with the United Way?Thanks,WJR
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The United Way was one of the "charities" cited in the expose of the early '60s whose administrative expenses absorbed a very large portion of its'contributions income. My boss, a VP, at that time asked his secretary if all his people signed up for the companies' payroll deduction plan for the United Way drive. My name was whispered. Overhearing it,I rushed over with a copy of the report. It wasn't good politics at that time to question his greater wisdom.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Seems to me if you wanted to give blood you could go to your local hospital????I sent one dozen welding gloves and two dozen socks to NY via the salvation army. I didn't want my donation sold to the people i tried to help. I am sure the gloves came in handy because they say the WTC fires are still burning at about 1000 degrees. Hopefully they helped stave off some of the heat.I will not donate to the RC or UW again!
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    All I know about United Way is they ask for pledges 2 weeks before I get my wage review.. I get told "Even though this is so close to review time , it will have no effect on your review." I've always thought it strange that it would even get mentioned. Strange also is the plaques on the bosses wall for fund raising.. I hear they give company owners & HR people a nice banquet too. Sorry I can walk one block and give my money to the Fire Dept, Ambulance corps, or the LIONS. The only administration cost is my walking it down there..Sorry, you hit one of my sore spots with this post.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As soldiers we are always told to have our families notify the Red Cross of any family emergency because our emergency leave paperwork will be expedited more quickly. I never understood that but that is what I always told my family. Now I tell my family to call my commander at home. If that doesn't get the job done, the congressional representative is probably more apt to get it done. After Sept 11th the Red Cross came out to our recruiting station for a blood drive. I was "highly encouraged" to donate so I got in line and filled out the paperwork. Then I lied about spending many evenings with women of ill-repute so that I didn't have to give my blood to those blood-sucking b@st@rds. The radio stations were announcing that blood was going to go to waste due to its short shelf-life but the Red Cross was there getting all they could get in spite of the over-supply in my area.
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've given three gallons of blood since I know that it helps people but I also knowthat the blood I give is then sold by theRed Cross. There was always a lot of pressureat work to donate to the United Way so I always designated the money to be given to the NRA legal fund.
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  • zombiedawgzombiedawg Member Posts: 21 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was forced once to give to the United Way. I certainly could not afford much and then a little later I hear the guy running the show was clearing $400K. This was in the late '80s. Never will give anything since.And by the way, someone also said Bernadine Healy may have resigned in protest of the bombing in Afghanistan. She may not be as noble as some of you have suggested.
    RANGE ME[This message has been edited by zombiedawg (edited 10-29-2001).]
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  • Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    Many years ago, I had a boss that was a chairman with the United Way and we were required to give or loose the job...Ever since then I let everyone around me know about some of the ways they get their money and how they sell what was donated..Now we give to children charities....Be it foster parenting or getting children from a home to give them a good Christmas...or any charity that benefits KIDS..
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  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never give a dime under duress to the United Way! Give DIRECTLY to any charity you like, but let the UW go empty handed.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Wasn't it about ten years ago when the National head of the United Way was prosecuted for misusing the charity's funds?Charging personal vacations and automobiles to the agency. Amazing how a big pile of virtually unregulated, unaccounted funds can make a thief out of an honest man.What's that? You don't think he was an honest man?Well, he said he was. He wouldn't lie would he?
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • HokieHeavyWeightHokieHeavyWeight Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard that United Way stopped giving money to the boy scouts because they won't let gays be scout masters? If this is so I don't think anybody should ever give money to the UW again. The boy scouts were founded on christian beliefs and to try to force them to go against there beliefs by not giving them money is wrong. I guess the currupt libs have got control of the UW too
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  • WJRWJR Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the information on the United Way. I was sort of forced to give at a previous employer and I have always wondered if the money went to any positive use. From your posts, my guess is that for the most part it did not.WJR
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