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Shooting in schools...

leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
I think it would be a wonderful idea for sport shooting to be introduced into the public school system. Its to bad federal law prevents firearms from being on campuses. I would be happy to donate money, and I'm sure plenty of other would for a skeet club at their public schools. I think it would be a valuable teacher of responsibility to kids that wouldn't learn it any other way.

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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree. However if guns are not allowed at schools, then why not sponsor a field trip to a gun range. Small manageable groups could get classroom training on firearms safety and then go in small groups to area of range to fire a hand gun, a rifle, and then to trap range for shotguns.

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  • quickslvr982quickslvr982 Member Posts: 158 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have got to be one of the stupedest adults I have ever come across. This is assuming that you are an adult. I say this with much skepticism because and many willing to pay to put a loaded firearm in the hands of iresspoinsible teens has got to be on crack. Myself being one of them[a teen who by the way is an avid target shooter] I cannot even began to picture a gun in the hands of my fellow classmates at my school. Talk about a really big %&*$ing mistake. I strongly sugest you re-think your priorities and actually think before you express your views.........On a less skeptical point of view do u really think the liberals would go for this. There trying to get rid of them[guns]not introduce them to every child across America. Honestly what are you smoking?........Just my two cents, what do I know im jsut a kid right. This is one of those circumstances were years dont nescearilly reflect knowledge.

    Edited by - quickSLVR982 on 07/08/2002 01:34:51
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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just like you said "This is one of those circumstances were years dont nescearilly reflect knowledge." Not all teens are iresspoinsible teens! Some teens are more mature than some adults. I think it is a good idea to teach kids about guns, and gun safty. If you teach them about guns most of them will respect them. Its the kids who dont respect them who do all the killings. Ever hear the saying "Teach Them Young? So shut the hell up you pot smoking liberal!
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I supprt teaching children young about firearms and safety.My father did it with me and his with him and so on.I beleive it should be in youth clubs and hunting programs and maybe certain public schools in certain areas where kids are still taught some form of respect.I think alot of these kids who shoot someone dont really understand exactly what a gun will do to someone til its too late.Because they never had anyone to teach them the danger of firearms they just hear some rapper saying get a .45 and kill your enemies.Children and guns are a touchy subject but be careful before ou go calling someone the dumbest human being because I have interacted with this man in posts and he seems to be a very knowladgable person.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And hell some would say its a bad idea.Youve never had one of those?Does that make you stupid as well?I doubt you would think so.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is a great idea. The libs would probably not go for it though. When I was in seventh grade I was required to take the Hunter Safety course, as a matter of fact, everyone was, it was part of gym. If they would have had a gun club, it would have been filled very quickly.

    Quickslvr982, you have a lot of growing up to do. I am so glad that you are the only responsible teen in your school. That kind of pressure must suck. KIDS with attitudes like yourself is what irritate people the most. If the people you associate with are that irresponsible, fine, take it upon yourself to educate them and teach them about firearms. Don't lump all teens in that group.



    Edited by - twins on 07/08/2002 05:26:02
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey twins, you didn't happen to go to school in Lumberton, TX did you?

    By the way quickslver982, I'm 21years old, I've been into firearms since I was very little, my father taught me the responsibility and life style of being a firearm owner, and I can say that its probably the one thing that has kept me out of trouble. When my friends would hear about guns in rap and start talking "smack" I was always the one to set them straight to the facts. Whenever I had a friend steel his fathers handgun, and was showing it around, I new he was in for trouble, and I set him straight, and if it weren't for my dad teaching me firearms responsibility, I probably wouldn't have been there to do that.

    I feel that youth are highly misguided about firearms, by both the media, and society. They are viewed as an instrument of death and destruction, and power. And the liberal media only influences it more. When in fact a firearm is nothing more than a tool, of pleasure, and freedom. It is the instrument that levels the playing field for all who value their lives, liberty, and property.

    I believe in positive reinforcement. I'd be willing to bet that most kids aren't aware that when a magazine is removed from a gun, there can still be a round in the chamber.

    For the same reason we take our kids to karate lessons, they should be taken shooting. For the same reasons they play football, baseball, or anyother sport.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    My 3 kids all started shooting with my supervision at 6 years old. My 9 year old has his own single shot .22.


    In South Dakota it is a state law that the school must be provided for firearms safety instruction.
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    leeblackman,

    Muscatine, IA (I wouldn't mind living in Texas though). Would have been in the early 80s. That is one of the reasons I became involved with firearms and hunting, shooting, etc... hunter safety in school.

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Some Colleges have shooting teams. West Virginia University has an excellent program and they are usually in the top three nationally ranked teams. I think they won again last year too but am not positive.

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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have found that with my two teenage sons,the introduction of gun safety (started with BB guns when they reached ten years), became and extension on what they had already learned. These days I do not worry about their handling of shotguns, at the range, or in the field hunting.

    Quick: Someone took the time and patience with you, are you not willing to extend that opportunity to someone else? Do you have so little confidence in your fellow peers that you would not support the idea?

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    Edited by - Alpine on 07/08/2002 09:01:20
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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It isn't such a bad idea, but you're talking about taking the fight deep into enemy territory, at least where I live (upstate NY). Maybe colleges are the best place to start. The 2nd Amendment Sisters, for example, have an excellent program for college-age women (and men). Boy/Girl Scouts and other outdoor groups are natural places for a riflery course. If you were to try to do it in any of the public high schools in my area, a lot of parents would make trouble and make it not worth the effort. When you do it in college or private organizations, that isn't a problem.

    The comment about irresponsible kids is well taken, but also remember that in most states, 18 year olds can buy and shoot long arms without any instruction or supervision. At least with a supervised program through the Boy Scouts etc., the adults can quickly spot potential problems as long as the kid/adult ratio isn't too high.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A school that I do some teaching at has a room called "the rifle range". It used to be a .22 rimfire range for the students-now it is a wrestling room.
    If quicksilver22 is typical of most high school students today, than I would have to agree that guns in school are a bad idea.

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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone remember the R.O.T.C.? Recruit Officer's Training Corps? Yes! Used to be at almost every High School in the nation. Military training, which by the way, included "rifle training." They had .22 caliber rifles and shot regularly on a range in the basement of our High School. Our High School had 2,200 students enrolled at that time. No "little school." The ROTC program provided safety and shooting training to many young people.....even had several "girl members." Times have changed! Not PC to know anything about firearms.......unless, that is, you can say something BAD about them.....!!! Sign of the times? Oh well, they don't have ROTC anymore, either. Maybe they can find recruits from the ranks of the "Anti's."

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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are still high schools here in PA that have shooting teams. It wasn't uncommon all that long ago, but the libs have killed all but the larger rural schools teams.

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  • trooperchintrooperchin Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As i high schooler i would love to have a skeet or weapons class...or club. HOWEVER in order to get in the class the students would need to interviewed or something....

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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    U of A Fairbanks has a Biathalon team.

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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Quick,
    The attitude you gave to leeblackman is exactly what is wrong with, and what will be the demise of this country. I can not believe that you, a teen who likes guns apparently, would not want to share the fun and comraderie with your classmates while enjoying your sport. The only way you are going to be able ensure the safety of your sport, and ensure it is there in the future is to educate your peers on guns. I for one would much rather teach a 'irresponsible' teen to shoot safely than teach one to drive. I suppose you dont mind that in most states a teen has to be 18 to drive now do you? Thats thanks to more people that labeled teens as irresponsible, and the media citing all of their so called 'facts'. Change your attitude or you'll have no guns to worry about shooting at targets with, just as you have many peers that no longer have to worry about driving until they turn 18. Your rights are being eroded right before your eyes, dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution. Educate your peers on guns, share your experiences with them, and hope they pass on the favor.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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