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idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
Oh joy. We had a Colonel, a Lieutenant Colonel, a Captain, two Command Sergeants Major and a First Sergeant in the office today. They fired the station commander who is now electing to get out of the Army in a month when his current contract runs out. The Brigade CSM informed me that I, along with the other NCO's in the office, failed our station commander so badly that he has been relieved of duty and no longer wants to be in the Army anymore. We haven't recruited enough people in the last year and it's our fault that he is burned out (and only 5 years from retirement).
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As of right now I am not set up to do any reloading. Is there any place to sell brass
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what is the brass price in va? i seen someone say in other state it was 3.50 i took my brass only got 0.15 per lbs had 26.lbs. what is it in other states.

    Michael
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What is Once Fired .223 brass going for per round?
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Found a bras case that is head stamped FNM and tha calibre as 70-25.I cannot find that calibre in the book cartridges of the world.Anyone kow this calibre.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont know about some of you mugs, but there aint no bugs on me..

    Anybody load 35 remington,, I have about 40 caseings laying around.. want em???
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    looking for 41 mag brass....up to 500ct.
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  • ghost614ghost614 Member Posts: 129 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ah, the army, a model of competence and effiency.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, * rolls down hill ...

    Ya know, if they lowered the standards to get into the Armed Forces, required able-bodided welfare reciepents to enlist, and gave some juvenile delinquents a choice of service or jail ... your quota's would be back up ... but that would mean lowering the standards in our jails too ...

    ... of course if noteable actors, preformers and Hollywood encourged service, that might help ...

    ... but declaring the Pledge of Allegiance as Unconstitutional ... that wont help ...

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    ... there are so darn many models to choose from!
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    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman, it's been pretty clear to me for some time that you are a dedicated professional and you take pride in your work. None of us here are in a position to judge how well you you've done the job. But if you can look in the mirror with a clear conscience, then don't let the brass bastids get you down. IME, when things go south, upper mgmt most always looks for someone lower down to blame. I seem to recall prior posts in which you indicated the commander was something less than the ideal boss? He may have blamed his subordinates in his 'exit interview' to salvage his own dignity or in an attempt to save his butt. Or higher commanders may have their own butts on the line for any number of reasons entirely beyond your ability to influence. Or both. Easy for me to say since I'm not in your shoes, but I'd let your conscience be your guide; your heart will tell you the truth.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Iconoclast--Yeah. I felt the need to gripe. I've been the most consistent and productive NCO in the office and I don't think the Brigade CSM even had a clue how many people I've put in the Army in the last 9 months. He probably doesn't know about the two college grads and the high school grad that I'm putting in this month. It is sad because they needed to blame someone and that someone was the Battalion CSM that retired last month. He did such a poor job of personnel assignments that we have an office that consists of 70% brand new untrained recruiters. It is the job of the Station Commander to train them. The fact is that they needed someone that they could blame who was still within their reach. The man responsible has retired so they strung up the wrong man for the sake of being able to string someone up in order to save face with the General. I'm so glad I only have two years left.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    You have been visited by intermediate management skills! This is their way of taking the blame from upper management and getting a little more productivity at the same time. Don't let them get you down, they're just trying to play you.


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every body needs somebody to blame for their own problems!!


    Best Wishes

    Rugster
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't wait until they try to convince me to convert from the MP branch to being a permanant recruiter. When they approach me I will have 13 years left until retirement. 13 years in recruiting. Hah! They basically hand you E-7 and give you a 20K bonus. It's funny. I had to re-enlist in order to meet the time-in-service requirements to be a recruiter. If I had extended my contract for just another three months I would have had a 4K bonus. 13 years of recruiting and any sane man would be at the end of a rope or postal.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    I to was a Brigade reenlistment NCO when in the army, I caught flack all the time because guys refused to reenlist, alwas told I didnt do my job in convincing people what to do with their lives,

    My requirement was to get 5 reenlistees a month, when I only got 4 the Poop hit the fan, I finally told them what they could do with the job, and went back to a combat arms outfit.

    LR
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  • loader44loader44 Member Posts: 92 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yo kimberkid, I know you dont know me, but I feel the need to reply to your comment.

    I was one of those " Delinquents " you spoke about in your post. I was given the choice of , TWO YEARS at T.Y.C. ( Texas Youth Center ), or four years in the military branch that would take me. I did TEN YEARS instead of the 4. The military was the best thing that could of happened to me. I was and am, very greatful for what the US ARMY did for me. Most of the people are TOP NOTCH. Yea, maybe the ARMY lowered the standards for me to get in, but I met their HIGH standards in the end.

    I am now: Chief Surgical Scrub Nurse in the C.V.O.R. ( Open Heart Surgery ) Don't you think that people should be given a second chance ? Have you been perfect all your life???

    loader44.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    loader44,
    Dont get down on kimberkid, because he, like many of us that are in the military, have a hard time absorbing the pieces of crap that are already good enough to meet the military recruiting standards. To tell anyone that they should maybe allow individuals of even lowere caliber to join, is absurd. If the recruiters were allowed to do the job as they see fit, they would not be sitting around and getting fat, as their superiors seem to think, they would be getting the best possible recruits, improving the military, instead of letting in the worthless trash that they have no choice but to let in, as they do now. I am not recriter material, I tell it like it is, and I'd sooner be relieved than allow some trash to corrupt my already troubled ranks. I believe kimberkid is just ticked off, as much as a lot of other individuals are, that the current state of the country is such that it allows the crap thats going on right now to occur, and worse, its flourishing.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • loader44loader44 Member Posts: 92 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    robsguns
    OK, maybe I was a little over zelous in my reply to kimberkid, I am sorry. I agree that what is comming into the military in some cases is less than good. But I sure dont like being sterotyped. Yes, when I was young, I needed guidence and I got in the military. And like I said, I am darn greatful the ARMY took me in.
    The stuff that is comming in is the reason I got out. How many get out of the military with ten years in and the rank of SSG ( E-6 ). But I was tired of all the bull.
    My son wants to join the military. He wants to fly helos, already flies fixed wing. Wants to fly medivac helos. But I am not sure about him in the military. Will he have somebody that cares for his welfare, or someone that just wants to kiss a-- and make rank.
    So, these are my thoughts about what is happening.
    Again I am sorry if I upset you or kimberkid. But I don't like being sterotyped.

    loader44.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Idsman.....When things like this happen to me, I just buy a new gun to put things in perspective.....
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had to be in Sioux Falls for part of the day so I quelled my anger by walking the aisles at Gary's Guns and picked up some gun cleaning supplies.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    loader44 - As usual, I knew what I intended to convey, however ...

    What I probably should have said, and didn't, is that I knew a couple guys when I was in High School (from 72-76), and knew OF a few more, that were given "the choice". For some, it turned their world around, gave them an understanding of the world they almost missed out on, by giving them pride in themselves, respect of others and brought out talents they didn't know they had ... and and to 2 of the guys, it was their salvation ... Unfortunately, that wasn't the case with all, and not everyone came back.

    My comment about lowering the standards in our jails was to make it tougher, make it less "comfortable". It seems that todays teen either isn't afraid, and many have already "been there-done that" and aren't afraid to do it again, and would prefer it to the unknown of military life.

    robsguns - As a P.R. & H.R. Manager, the initial interviewer of potential employees I've seen first hand what the military can do for young men and women ... and how the Jail/Prison system is almost a complete failure when it comes to rehabilitation.

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    The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
    ... there are so darn many models to choose from!
    kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Idsman,
    Get out there and buy you a new gun, you'll forget all about the retards. Always worked for me. May I suggest a Ruger Super Redhawk in .480? Seems right don't it?


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    loader44, kimberkid,
    Boy oh boy, this is a touchy subject with me. I understand both of your views, and both have merit. The only problem is that I'm seeing the lowering of standards come around full circle. The SNCOs of today are almost as bad as the recruits coming in. This didnt just start 3 years ago. This has been going on long enough that senior enlisted and officers alike are worthless. I believe in getting the job done, no whining, no crying, just the results. Complaining usually occurs because of the idiots giving stupid orders, and I mean stupid. Bad judgement runs rampant, and the results are obvious. Its not a problem confined to the military, I know that. I am seeing the ignorance (immature,unethical and immoral attitudes) of the general civilian public right here amongst my own ranks, and that not only ticks me off, it worries me. There are certain jobs that have no room for these characteristics, and the military is one of them, in my opinion. Its a direct reflection of the way society is allowing the children of today to be raised, influenced, and brain washed into thinking that half of what is going on in our country is ok. The Roman Empire was not built overnight, and it did not fall overnight either. I believe that what is occuring right now, in our very own time, in our very own country, is much like what happen in Rome. That all being said, this is not a time for weak leaders, a weak military, or weak recruits, never mind having the time to reform a social misfit into a future leader of Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, or Airmen.
    I wont beat this horse any longer.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    robsguns - I agree completely, it isn't the duty of the military to reform its recruits, to give them basic education, morals and maturity ... but I've seen the military do it. I also understand that you can't do it for every troubled teen out there ... as the first link in the hireing chain, I too have been discouraged by the "quality" of the employment pool.

    As you say, it all starts at home ... with "latch-key kids" left to their own devises with both parents working, single-parent/absent-parent familys, divorce is the norm now (unlike when I was a teen) ... then Socical Services steps in and tell you spanking is child abuse (and the kids know this) ... Teachers that keep passing students to the next grade that shouldn't be passed because the child hasn't mastered the one they are in, but there is nothing else they can do with them (teachers have my sympathy too, it is a tough job and I do understand that).

    I hope I'm not opening another "can-o-worms". Its a very complex problem, and the root is easy to find ... the fix on the otherhand, isn't ... as you say, Rome didn't fall in a day.

    kk

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    The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
    ... there are so darn many models to choose from!
    kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    kimberkid,
    You hit that nail so squarely on the head I think it passed completely through the entire tree, nice job of expressing yourself! Why didnt I say it like that? Yep, you said it very well.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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