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Took Mom and Dawnie to the shooting range yesterday. Main purpose was to make sure Mom can shoot well enough to pass her upcoming CHL renewal.
Mom liked the .32. She said it still hurt her hand, but not as bad as the .38, so it will become hers after it is cleaned.
On the Texas CHL course, Mom shot 89 and Dawnie shot 75. It was Dawnie's first time to ever shoot a handgun. She wants to do it again, of course, as long as she gets to shoot a gun that doesn't kick.
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Yesterday I had a great opportunity to go to a local indoor range. One high school friend (Rob), who's also an NRA-cert instructor, came down from Indiana, and another high school bud (Jim) and his wife came up from Tampa, FL. Fortunately I was able to arrange for my wife to join us, and the 5 of us got to shoot for a couple of hours.
My Florida friend has rarely done any shooting, and his wife had never done it before, so I was glad my other friend was there as an instructor. He brought his S&W 1911, Kahr K9 (I think that was it), and his Ruger snubby .357. I brought my S&W 686+ (another .357) and my wife brought her Taurus Judge. If I'd had any foresight whatsoever, I would have thought to bring my grandfather-in-law's Ruger Mark II. That would have been a MUCH better gun for first-time shooters.
Regardless, we still had fun, even though my friend's wife was a little timid because of the kick. She fired the Judge only once (the range doesn't allow shot to be fired, even from a Judge, so we had to use .45 Colt), and put it down. But my wife shot several rounds of it to get more familiar with her gun, and we did lots and lots of .38 Specials out of my 686 and my other friend's Ruger.
We also did several .357s, which is just amazing the difference when you "warmed up" with .38's. Just the "in your faceness" of the flash and concussion. I tend not to feel it so much when I'm concentrating on my grip/sights, so it's an awesome feeling standing next to someone firing a .357 Magnum. [8D][:D]
Shooting Rob's 1911 was a good time, too. Even though I'm a revolver guy, I still want a 1911. There's no arguing with the pure fantasticalness of that gun!!
And since most of our targets were at 7 yards, I'm happy to report that every single paper bad guy out there is DEAD!![:p]
My son and I went to the range yesterday. I gave him a Savage 30-06 from my gun cabinet as a high school graduation present. We lined it up to 150 grain rounds (I had used 180 grain) and he was shooting 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards, not bad considering the wind was gusting and irratic. I have put about 40 rounds through my Tikka 300 wsm and it has broke is fairly well it seems, I was shooting 1 1/4 inch groups and considering the wind I was very happy with that. We were using cheap (is there such a thing) ammo so like I said I was ahppy with the groups.
We aslo shot my Ruger 454. It's a nice piece and I didn't realize my son had never shot it before. He had fun with the 454 loads and suprised me with his accuracy, but then he has had a good teacher.[:D] He then proceded to have a lot of fun shooting a 50 round box of 45lc through it. The range is an open public range, in the country, with lots of plinking targets available. We had it to ourselves most of the time we were there. So he practiced drawing and firing at various targets. And I have to say with a little practice he will most likely out shoot dad. But then dad could use a little more practice myself, I will not make it easy for him.
We then took turn shooting a 22 mag rifle I brought along and we put about 120 rounds through that and called it a day.
Got to finally get some range time in and scrounged up enough .357SIG to try my Glock G32 out. All I can say to the Glock haters is you're missing out on FUN! I'd never shot that caliber before. I was expecting bad recoil...farthest thing from it. Very accurate(for me). No jams or failures of any kind with it. Definately have enough confidence to carry it. I do need to get a Lone Wolf barrel in .40 though as that ammo is cheaper and easier to get but that .357SIG is a winner of a caliber. Ammo was Hornady Critical Defense. I did experience my first factory centerfire dud. I had 1 round of .380 Hornady that would not light off. I have hundreds of rounds through the LCP with no failures til this one. Definately gets in your head that this could happen at the worst time so it pays to practice a drill where you get a dud. The .44 Special Bisley is lots of fun and thinking I may use it for deer hunting. The .22 is fun as always..and Cabelas actually had a ton of CCI Mini Mags in stock.
Took the P-38 and my old Colt 1911A1, and a LLAMA , yes I said LLama, 1911A1 to the range,, The old Colt performed perfect as usual, the P-38 works great, but not the most accurate pistol I have fired. and suprise the LLama performed flawlessly, and was very accurate..Fired a hundred rounds through each,, Only reason I took the Colt was I had to move the rear site as it was shooting about 2 inches to the left the last time I took it to the range, and didnt have the tools with me to move the rear sight,,
After the pistol range, went over to the trap range and Phoooey ran 71 and then missed one, so I quit at 75, as it was getting downright cold out, 39 degrees..BRRRRRRR[:0]
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Those who can make you believe absurdities
can make you commit atrocities.
Do I give my friends advice? NO, . They wouldn't take advice from me. Nobody should take advice from me. I haven't got a clue about anything..
Went out today for the first time in years and shot some guns my old 8mm Mauser and my brand new S&W MP40 I shot the 40 from 15 and 20yds didnt group where I wanted it to but Id bet that groups measuring 1-2 inches at that range should be possible (I never was very good with handguns) The 8mm needed to be sighted in first I sighted it in at 55 yds and I was able to get it to bullseye with every round after 8 rounds of tweaking then I moved to 150 yds and changed ammunition to get it fine tuned for deer season later on this year. Note I was using remington 170 grain round nose soft points to get on paper then I used winchester 170 grain soft points at 150yds. with the 40 I was using american eagle federal 180 grain fmj's ended up shooting 49 rounds with the 40 and 18 with the 8mm by then my shoulder just couldnt take any more of a pounding lol.
A friend of mine went on a buying spree and today was a good day for a hike so we headed out to our closest BLM site to hike and shoot.
We brought nine fire-arms:
S&W 686-6 revolver
Ruger MKIII Hunter
Springfield XD **
FN 5.7 **
Colt Commander 1911A1 *
H&K (some .45ACP thing; I never did figure out the model)**
Ruger Standard Model .22 pistol*
Ruger 10-22 Carbine
22-250 rifle that was somebody else's project gun...a total frankenstein.
* My friend's gun
** My friend's NIB gun
My guns all performed like they usually do except that the 10-22 was having some cycling/feeding issues. I've been messing with that one so it might be my fault.
My friend's guns were more interesting because they were mostly new to us. We both really liked the Colt. We both really, really like the FN. It's got a nice little pop to it without too much kick, the trigger's decent and it is, in the end, just a damn fun gun. I'm not sure how practical it is, but then who needs a good reason to buy a fun gun?
And we both pretty much hated the Springfield and the H&K. The FN is a plastic gun, so it's not about the plastic because we both loved that one. But the Springfield just had a cheap feel to it and even though the H&K did not have the cheap feel to it, it wasn't fun to shoot. For starts: WAAAAAY too much pre-travel on the triggers both of the H&K and of the Springfield. Those enormous trigger guards don't sit well with me, either. When not ready to shoot, I like my finger on the guard and that's tough to do when the guard is two inches long.
I'm glad I got to try them out. Now I know that I just don't like those two guns. And I also know that if I find myself a little flush, the amusing thing might be to obtain the FN 5.7.
FINALLY had some nice weather to take the PA-63 out and do some testing since I did the repairs. MAN I forgot how fun she was to shoot!!!!
Gonna take some time to get used to the recoil again, but all in all... I kept it inside a 5 inch mark at 25ft near dusk.
Gonna have to do some daylight shooting on my next day off to get back in the swing.
Report 2:
I just could not ever find ammo for that Walther P-22. Great little gun, but finding .22lr ammo around here is like hunting for the Holy Grail. I lucked out today when I stopped in at my local shop. 9 boxes!!! at $4.95 a box.. I cleaned em out. hehehehe....Was about to walk out the door when .... she....caught my eye. I looked her over. Nice, and pretty, and felt so good in my hands....and then I saw the price.........
I said goodbye to the Walther and walked out with a brand new Ruger 10/22, mount, and scope rings!!! Now to get a beeter scope because the one I have won't focus worth a darn.. lol
Finally took my DPMS AR out today and put about 200 rounds through it.I sighted it in so it was hitting about an inch low at 25 meters and with out any other adjustments to the sights, I was hitting propane cylinder gongs at 150 yards off hand. I say it performed well. A co worker of mine was there as well and I let him shoot it. He liked it better than his M-4 style AR. Definitely a good purchase.
Took out the Remington 1911 I purchased awhile ago. I think this one might be a good one. Only one failure while my nephew was shooting it. Ran about 60 rounds through it. It was nice. Have I finally found a 1911 that performs well out of the box[?]
Went to the range this morning, and shot a few rounds of trap..Had to go to the SKEET/TRAP range, as the small trap range wasnt open.. I was the only trap shooter there. There was 6 Skeet shooters, and we were setting around talking before we got started, and I guess they didnt know I was a Trap shooter, and they were gripeing about Trap shooters coming in and interupting their Skeet Shooting, So I politely ask,, Hey why dont you guys shoot a round of trap and see what its all about, or are you afraid you cant hit em?? They took the challenge, Guess what, the best any of em did, was 17 of 25. I was pretty well on and got a 25 and a 24. Two packed up and left..and the other 4 insisted on shooting more TRAP, What a Fun Day...I may have converted a couple of Skeeters To Trappers..[:D]
"when you see the enemy, you attack and shoot him down, anything less is just bull shi*
Baron Von Richthofen (RED BARON)
Well got the urge bad and had to hit the range. Had several Pistols
I had never even fired.
Targets were a 5" target with 5 per sheet. All shot a 7 yards.
Para WartHog, Kick was not near as bad as I had been told. While its not a target Pistol I now have enough confidance in it to use it as my CCW pistol. No Jams and checking all Brass none from any pistol had any extra dents of dings in them. Also after about 100 rounds thru it my hands are just a little bit sore. But this also could be my hands are still healing from Carple Tunnel Surgery in Dec.
S&W Sigma in a 40 Was actually surprised at how it shot most bullets stayed on the target. Trigger pull is not the greatest, but that could be the other pistols all had great triggers. This also would make a good CCW piece.
Taurus 1911 SS While good the sights are very hard to see, Need to adjust the sights as all were left of the target. Trigger pull was ok but had a lot of slack to take up before you hit the real trigger. Almost like a 2 stage.
Dan Wesson 15 357 used 38P+. Great trigger pull. After shooting the 45's the kick was almost like I was shooting a 22. Sights need a little work had a hard time picking up the rear sight. May need to get a New blade or repaint mine.
Kimber Raptor Wow after shooting a couple of Mags at the target the X ring was gone. Have Houge grips and they really tame the recoil of this pistol. Fantastic trigger pull.
Took my S-I-L to the range today. He is 30 and was in the Air Force.
He loves his .40 glock, (Glock lucky for him)
He promply loaded up 2 mags with his best 9mm rounds and fired 1 it would not eject. He cleared the jam and fired again it jambed. He turned to me and said this gun is f---ed up. By then I'd picked up the first jambed round and it looked like the liberty bell. Thats when I knew what he did. He said your not able to load 9mm in a 40 mag. Well you can and he did. Talk about stove piping a round through a target, I think he's lucky he hit it. Gun was not hurt (only his pride)
Took the little 1908 Colt Pocket .380 to the range. What a Shooter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 25 yds all rounds in a 10 inch circle.. Not precision but a gaurenteed hurt on anyone on the receiving end..[:0][:0]
Zeroed in a couple of rifles today using Federal fusion ammo. I set up a 100 yard range at a buddy's place using my range finder.
One was a .243 H&R single shot youth model using 95gr rounds. After getting what I wanted I shot a 3 shot group of 7/8" center to center, I was surprised. Not the best platform and the trigger is fairly tough, But dang did it shoot good. Like I said I am surprised.
Second is my Tikka .300 WSM using 150gr rounds. The tikka shoots good and has a great trigger. After zeroing my 3 shot group with it was 3/4". I had a fair rest for both rifles but not the best and I didn't feel like I was doing them justice, but the groups were good so I'll take it.
Fusion ammo shot well, I'll hunt with it this year, see how it performs on Indiana whitetails and let you know.
My neighbor came up to the house this afternoon with a new Colt 1911 target grade pistol. I got out my sig 220 with a laser guide rod, Beretta 92fs, and a Smith 5906. He shot 3 rounds with his Colt from a sand bag sitting position. Group was tight but high and left. He adjusted windage and was hitting high. Re adjusted elevation and was on in in 9 rounds total. Then Its time for the fixed sight pistols. My sig was about dead on with a similar tight pattern. No adjustments necessary. When using the laser, it was 3" left but elevation was fine. The Beretta was close with fixed sights but not as tight a pattern. Now comes the Smith. That has to be the crappiest pistol I have ever shot. 3 round patterns were damn near 5" apart. He is a great shot and his pattern was almost as bad as mine when he fired it. We were shooting at a relatively close range of about 20 yards from a sandbag position on a picnic table. Question is why is the Smith and Wesson 5906 shooting such spratic patterns? That pistol may have been a bad investment and will leave quickly. Then the rain came and we had to quit a little early but him and I had a great time shooting. Total of about 150 rounds down range made for a fine afternoon of shooting.
Well this weekend my BOL & I went out to the Wenas shooting area to do some target shooting and I packed along my Taurus 850 for a little range work for it as well. The temp was in the low 30's & snow everywhere. The new ammo I wanted to try out was Buffalo Bore 158 grain .38 +p, they are a lead hollowpoint that supposedly go out at 1000fps/351 ft lbs.
All I can say is OUCH!!! Those things are definately not for the faint of heart or recoil shy/first time shooters or the ladies. I have been carrying 140 grain Hornady standard velocity loads and thought ok maybe I should step up the power scale. I think they had more felt recoil than some .357's. I dunno that I'm going to keep using them as powerful as they may be, I might have trouble with follow up shots if needed. Accuracy out of them is standard snubbie, which is to say they will do the job at 7 yards. I have also used the Speer Gold Dot for short barrel revolver but they had tons of muzzle flash(contrary to Speers' propaganda regarding that). We did also see some elk up on a hill and to my suprise they could have cared less that people were shooting.
There were quiet a few people, including my BOL, trying to hit a metal target that is 600 yards out and very few folks could hit it consistently. Even if they have whatever the new flavor of the month elk killer in .300 Super Ultra Short Mag or 7mm Maximum Rocket Mag which proves my point that FEW shooters should be trying to take an animal much past 300 or 400 yards unless they can consistently hit that 500-600 target more than 1 shot in 20.[:D]
i met up this morning with a guy I had worked with 6 years ago, both of us retired now, at one of the local gun ranges. targets were placed from 10 yards, 30, 50 and 100. I brought along a Saiga 308, SKS 7.62x39, Ruger Blackhawk 44 mag with 44 special and 44 mag defense loads, and my Taurus 40S&W. Mark brought a Ruger 9mm, a Rock Island 1911 45acp and a ruger 1022, not wors class. all open sights fun was had, targets were hit occasionally, sometimes even surprisingly!!!, lies were told and a sad assessment was delivered as we were packing up after a sack full of empty brass was retrieved from the grounds-ours!. neither one of us old coots need to be shooting open sights anymore with rifles. and a more restrictive coffee intake was recommended prior to our next ammo blast with our pistols.. this was only my 2nd trip shooting my pistols so I am still a fledgling with them. the Saiga 308 I was shooting pretty damn good in my opinion, but man oh man the muzzle blast from that short barreled SOB was powerful. I LOVE IT! a good all around day to get out with an old friend doing what old farts do.
Original sights. I'm looking to get a hold of a taller front sight post, but Numrich is out of stock on that one. It hits about 3" high, or there abouts.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
Thats some darn good shooting with open sights. Makes me want to get mine out and see what it will do. Good luck with your sporterizing, it sure looks to have a lot of potential.
smokinggun, Thanks for the compliment, I think you will find that with the right gun you can do better than that though, try it, you'll like it. If your gun shoots good, use it, thats what I'm going to do, just havent had time to get around to it, but I'm selling off a lot of the guns I dont use, and concentrating on my military collection. That allows me to buy stocks to sporterize, so that I may use the military guns for their intended use, but on deer. I'm just tired of having guns sitting around for no reason, but I'm not getting rid of my military guns, cause I really like 'em, so I'm getting rid of the commercial ones, so someone else can shoot them. I have a 7x57 Brazilian Mauser that will shoot tiny clover leafs, almost one hole 3 shot groups, at 50 yds., and I'm sure it would be sub MOA at 100yds. Try out that Swede, and enjoy.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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Mom liked the .32. She said it still hurt her hand, but not as bad as the .38, so it will become hers after it is cleaned.
On the Texas CHL course, Mom shot 89 and Dawnie shot 75. It was Dawnie's first time to ever shoot a handgun. She wants to do it again, of course, as long as she gets to shoot a gun that doesn't kick.
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My Florida friend has rarely done any shooting, and his wife had never done it before, so I was glad my other friend was there as an instructor. He brought his S&W 1911, Kahr K9 (I think that was it), and his Ruger snubby .357. I brought my S&W 686+ (another .357) and my wife brought her Taurus Judge. If I'd had any foresight whatsoever, I would have thought to bring my grandfather-in-law's Ruger Mark II. That would have been a MUCH better gun for first-time shooters.
Regardless, we still had fun, even though my friend's wife was a little timid because of the kick. She fired the Judge only once (the range doesn't allow shot to be fired, even from a Judge, so we had to use .45 Colt), and put it down. But my wife shot several rounds of it to get more familiar with her gun, and we did lots and lots of .38 Specials out of my 686 and my other friend's Ruger.
We also did several .357s, which is just amazing the difference when you "warmed up" with .38's. Just the "in your faceness" of the flash and concussion. I tend not to feel it so much when I'm concentrating on my grip/sights, so it's an awesome feeling standing next to someone firing a .357 Magnum. [8D][:D]
Shooting Rob's 1911 was a good time, too. Even though I'm a revolver guy, I still want a 1911. There's no arguing with the pure fantasticalness of that gun!!
And since most of our targets were at 7 yards, I'm happy to report that every single paper bad guy out there is DEAD!![:p]
Price is steep for an air gun, but the fun factor is worth it.[:D]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UbOCyMEFhyo
We aslo shot my Ruger 454. It's a nice piece and I didn't realize my son had never shot it before. He had fun with the 454 loads and suprised me with his accuracy, but then he has had a good teacher.[:D] He then proceded to have a lot of fun shooting a 50 round box of 45lc through it. The range is an open public range, in the country, with lots of plinking targets available. We had it to ourselves most of the time we were there. So he practiced drawing and firing at various targets. And I have to say with a little practice he will most likely out shoot dad. But then dad could use a little more practice myself, I will not make it easy for him.
We then took turn shooting a 22 mag rifle I brought along and we put about 120 rounds through that and called it a day.
It was a good day.
.357SIG target
After the pistol range, went over to the trap range and Phoooey ran 71 and then missed one, so I quit at 75, as it was getting downright cold out, 39 degrees..BRRRRRRR[:0]
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Those who can make you believe absurdities
can make you commit atrocities.
Do I give my friends advice? NO, . They wouldn't take advice from me. Nobody should take advice from me. I haven't got a clue about anything..
Just thought Id post a gun topic for a change.
We brought nine fire-arms:
S&W 686-6 revolver
Ruger MKIII Hunter
Springfield XD **
FN 5.7 **
Colt Commander 1911A1 *
H&K (some .45ACP thing; I never did figure out the model)**
Ruger Standard Model .22 pistol*
Ruger 10-22 Carbine
22-250 rifle that was somebody else's project gun...a total frankenstein.
* My friend's gun
** My friend's NIB gun
My guns all performed like they usually do except that the 10-22 was having some cycling/feeding issues. I've been messing with that one so it might be my fault.
My friend's guns were more interesting because they were mostly new to us. We both really liked the Colt. We both really, really like the FN. It's got a nice little pop to it without too much kick, the trigger's decent and it is, in the end, just a damn fun gun. I'm not sure how practical it is, but then who needs a good reason to buy a fun gun?
And we both pretty much hated the Springfield and the H&K. The FN is a plastic gun, so it's not about the plastic because we both loved that one. But the Springfield just had a cheap feel to it and even though the H&K did not have the cheap feel to it, it wasn't fun to shoot. For starts: WAAAAAY too much pre-travel on the triggers both of the H&K and of the Springfield. Those enormous trigger guards don't sit well with me, either. When not ready to shoot, I like my finger on the guard and that's tough to do when the guard is two inches long.
I'm glad I got to try them out. Now I know that I just don't like those two guns. And I also know that if I find myself a little flush, the amusing thing might be to obtain the FN 5.7.
many times I tried.
I could not get a 6.8 SPC
to chamber in a 223.
After I put the specs on and chambered
the right ammo both RRA's
shot just great.
We shot at 2 liter bottles with both
calibers and the 6.8 delivered a lot
more energy to the water bottles than the 223.
Bunch of fun.
Gonna take some time to get used to the recoil again, but all in all... I kept it inside a 5 inch mark at 25ft near dusk.
Gonna have to do some daylight shooting on my next day off to get back in the swing.
Report 2:
I just could not ever find ammo for that Walther P-22. Great little gun, but finding .22lr ammo around here is like hunting for the Holy Grail. I lucked out today when I stopped in at my local shop. 9 boxes!!! at $4.95 a box.. I cleaned em out. hehehehe....Was about to walk out the door when .... she....caught my eye. I looked her over. Nice, and pretty, and felt so good in my hands....and then I saw the price.........
I said goodbye to the Walther and walked out with a brand new Ruger 10/22, mount, and scope rings!!! Now to get a beeter scope because the one I have won't focus worth a darn.. lol
"when you see the enemy, you attack and shoot him down, anything less is just bull shi*
Baron Von Richthofen (RED BARON)
I had never even fired.
Targets were a 5" target with 5 per sheet. All shot a 7 yards.
Para WartHog, Kick was not near as bad as I had been told. While its not a target Pistol I now have enough confidance in it to use it as my CCW pistol. No Jams and checking all Brass none from any pistol had any extra dents of dings in them. Also after about 100 rounds thru it my hands are just a little bit sore. But this also could be my hands are still healing from Carple Tunnel Surgery in Dec.
S&W Sigma in a 40 Was actually surprised at how it shot most bullets stayed on the target. Trigger pull is not the greatest, but that could be the other pistols all had great triggers. This also would make a good CCW piece.
Taurus 1911 SS While good the sights are very hard to see, Need to adjust the sights as all were left of the target. Trigger pull was ok but had a lot of slack to take up before you hit the real trigger. Almost like a 2 stage.
Dan Wesson 15 357 used 38P+. Great trigger pull. After shooting the 45's the kick was almost like I was shooting a 22. Sights need a little work had a hard time picking up the rear sight. May need to get a New blade or repaint mine.
Kimber Raptor Wow after shooting a couple of Mags at the target the X ring was gone. Have Houge grips and they really tame the recoil of this pistol. Fantastic trigger pull.
He loves his .40 glock, (Glock lucky for him)
He promply loaded up 2 mags with his best 9mm rounds and fired 1 it would not eject. He cleared the jam and fired again it jambed. He turned to me and said this gun is f---ed up. By then I'd picked up the first jambed round and it looked like the liberty bell. Thats when I knew what he did. He said your not able to load 9mm in a 40 mag. Well you can and he did. Talk about stove piping a round through a target, I think he's lucky he hit it. Gun was not hurt (only his pride)
One was a .243 H&R single shot youth model using 95gr rounds. After getting what I wanted I shot a 3 shot group of 7/8" center to center, I was surprised. Not the best platform and the trigger is fairly tough, But dang did it shoot good. Like I said I am surprised.
Second is my Tikka .300 WSM using 150gr rounds. The tikka shoots good and has a great trigger. After zeroing my 3 shot group with it was 3/4". I had a fair rest for both rifles but not the best and I didn't feel like I was doing them justice, but the groups were good so I'll take it.
Fusion ammo shot well, I'll hunt with it this year, see how it performs on Indiana whitetails and let you know.
AWESOME!!!!!
Goodbye Ruger 22/45!
ron
All I can say is OUCH!!! Those things are definately not for the faint of heart or recoil shy/first time shooters or the ladies. I have been carrying 140 grain Hornady standard velocity loads and thought ok maybe I should step up the power scale. I think they had more felt recoil than some .357's. I dunno that I'm going to keep using them as powerful as they may be, I might have trouble with follow up shots if needed. Accuracy out of them is standard snubbie, which is to say they will do the job at 7 yards. I have also used the Speer Gold Dot for short barrel revolver but they had tons of muzzle flash(contrary to Speers' propaganda regarding that). We did also see some elk up on a hill and to my suprise they could have cared less that people were shooting.
There were quiet a few people, including my BOL, trying to hit a metal target that is 600 yards out and very few folks could hit it consistently. Even if they have whatever the new flavor of the month elk killer in .300 Super Ultra Short Mag or 7mm Maximum Rocket Mag which proves my point that FEW shooters should be trying to take an animal much past 300 or 400 yards unless they can consistently hit that 500-600 target more than 1 shot in 20.[:D]
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC