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.17 cal.

ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
If this has been addressed I missed it. Cover story of the new American Rifleman is about this cartridge. Does anyone own or have any experience with it yet? I thought some of you might have an inside track on the general public in terms of getting new products.
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  • songdogsongdog Member Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes it has been addressed but i will not be an * about it like some people tend to be when a topic is posted more than ONCE. I believe that if you scroll back a couple of pages you will find the info on it, at least a thread. Anyway, from what i have heard it is a rimfire case in 22 mag necked down to a 17 caliber. I believe that I also read that the ammo is around $10 a box and they are around 2550 fps. This is just what i have heard and do not know the worthiness of these writings. I still prefer to shoot my 17 remington that i can reload over a 22 mag or this new- fangled rifle due to the cost of ammo. I can reload for less than what i can buy a box of 50 22 mag rounds for. But in time, with all things, the patent will be released on the caliber and every manufacturer will be able to produce the ammo. That will be 17 years down the road. I would suspect the ammo to stay pretty expensive until then.songdog
    Be bold in what you stand for, careful in what you fall for.
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  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you, songdog. I appreciate your reply.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yesterday I received a letter in the mail from Cabella's letting me know my .17 HMR ammo was on backorder with no idea of when it would be shipped. This morning at 0darkthirty when I checked my email, there was a notification of shipment of my ammo yesterday. Go figure, those of you looking for your ammo, it should be on the way soon, mine is on the UPS truck!
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • dhdh Member Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ndbilly,I read up on the .17 in a magazine not long ago and unfortunatly that issue isn't on my desk here,it must be at home.Results were published from various weather conditions and so forth.To make a long story short I think I could shoot a spitball further than this shoots.I'm sure as the day goes on someone out there will have this info and post it for you.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am not a buyer as I do not shoot at things smaller than javelina. In previous threads it has been suggested that this will be a short lived cartridge, finding little market niche. I tend to agree. That has certainly be the trend with many rimfire offerings in the past.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Someone will have to explain to me what a .17HMR will do that a .222 REM will not.We're getting sucked under again by the advertising department. Wake up!Clouder..
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just so you all know, I'm not buying the gun. I'm buying an orginal box of ammo, so when it goes into the obsolete cartridge category, I will have some for old times sake.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks, all. I agree with whiteclouder about this being a flash in the pan. (Even though this is a cartridge.)
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My question is; what "niche" does it fill?I don't seem to recall ANYONE begging for a cartridge with that narrow a field of use.Mudge the doubtful
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well her I go.After reading about the remarkable research, And testing that has gone into this round.Research and new powder developments, That will improve a lot of ammunition.With Marlin,Ruger,And Anschutz chambering this round,I am going on record,And saying we will see a demise.That demise will be the .22WRM.Now jump on with all you got,Just make sure you got in four weel drive.Please dont bother to come back with writers hype.All I need is the ballistis coefficent, And the M.V..My ballistic software spits out facts,Not hype.It is here to stay.So sayth the varmit.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.[This message has been edited by varmit hunter (edited 02-22-2002).]
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    varmit:What kind of energy does it deliver at 200 yards? I can't imagine anyone wanting to shoot anything that light at a rockchuck. Maybe it will be a ground squirrel killer. Couldn't shoot tree rats with it, at 2550 there won't be anything left.And it's not reloadable is it?I still like my .222.Or, hell, even a .218..Clouder..
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did somebody say something about... Oh, sorry Beekeeper, that is your line..
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    clouder,It has 80# at 200yrds..22mag has 59#.Your .222 has 520# at 200 yrds.The mighty Bee has 260# at 200yrds.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.[This message has been edited by varmit hunter (edited 02-23-2002).]
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    Bottom line is it's gonna be new, fun to shoot and a conversation piece for months if not years to come!! I don't think you guys buying ammo and storing it will get rich like the 5mm bunch did. Too many big names involved with this one. 5mm was Remington only, this one is Ruger, Marlin, Hornady, CCI(cases), Hodgedon(Lil'Gun powder), New England, Savage(future) and I hear today some of the elites like Anshutz have jumped on this one. I know I sound like a broken record but I can't wait to season a barrel and find out what this little puppy will do!!
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Groundhog,Glad you see my point.It's not so much the new rifle,But the new developments that went into it.Powder,bullet construction,etc.That many of the big boys would not be in on it,If it wasent for real.I will stick to my statement.It will do in the .22WMR.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I disagree on it doing in the .22wmr, just as much as the .22wmr cant do in the .22lr, and for the same reasons. The .22 wmr is about double what .22lr costs for ammo, and the same holds true for the diff. between .22 wmr and .22hmr. That alone keeps the .22 wmr's future secure. The current rimfire offerings we have, have been around for longer than most of us on this board, and there are too many guns out there chambered for them, for those offerings to EVER go away. I see the .17 with a lot to prove, and it wouldnt be the first time a new caliber failed, with more than one company offering something for it. It may not fail. I just dont believe that it fills a niche, offers anything a centerfire, reloadable cartridge that already exists doesnt give, or is cheap enough to shoot. If I want a rimfire for plinking its the .22 lr, and if I want a little more oomph in a rimfire, I'll shoot the .22 magnum. If I want to do a little longer range plinking but at live targets, I'll use my .222 remington, and load it with lead bullets, and it will do what the .17 will and more, but cheaper, so I guess we will see what happens.Oh yeah, and if you're not a serious shooter, why would you buy a .17? It has a very narrow use for the average shooter, and isnt really suitable for it. Let me explain. As a novice shooter, new to the sport, or just not that frequent a shooter, what gun do I buy for plinking? The .22 lr., because it cheap and I'm only shooting cans and paper, on a limited budget usually, it is available in a large choice of weapons and in a semi, single, or bolt or pump or lever, right? Now move up a step, I shoot more than a novice, and at squirrels and maybe chucks. Is the .17 going to be used on squirrels at the price of ammo, and the potentially destructiveness of the round? No I dont think so. Now take it up another step to the guys like us. We reload, have more money to buy rifles and rounds, or load our own, and it just doesnt make economical sense to buy this ammo when we can reload our small centerfires to do the same thing, or pull out one of the .22 mags. or one of the other many guns we have. Some of us gotta have it just to have it, but I dont see it being a main stream seller to the mass public, novice shooter. Thats my take, not written so well, but I think you get my point. Just what is its niche? Where does it fit in? I dont see it. Seems like a long range fly swatter.SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC[This message has been edited by robsguns (edited 02-23-2002).]
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Uh, what robsguns said, I guess.Clouder..
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    whiteclouder, Are you making fun of my writing? I cant help it, I'm a jarhead ya know. I try so hard though .
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • dhdh Member Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Remember the .225? Now .223 takes it's place since about the early 70s.I never shot a .223 but if it's as accurate as my .225 it ought to be a shooter.HOWEVER,20 rounds is 20 dollars,if you can find them.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    robs:Not in the least. I think you express yourself quite well. My point was, I had more-or-less said the same thing.dh:The 225 Win is not in the same class as the 223 Rem. The 225 lost out to the 22-250.Clouder..
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    whiteclouder, Oh, ok, glad to hear I didnt sound like an idiot, guess I should pay closer attention to what everyone else is writing though, huh?
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dano should give me a few points for spoon work on this one.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
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  • manowar669manowar669 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with ROBSGUNS, I don't think the .17 will hang around very long, except as a curio or of interest only to micro-bore fanatics. Of interest though, I have heard several manufacturers might be producing handguns in the caliber. How this is of interest is in the idea that these small bullets at high velocity might penetrate soft body armor, similar to some soviet pistol cartridges that are not available here. I'm not a cop killer or anything, but if this round can get through vests, it may attract negative publicity possibly causing it to be pulled from production like the Black Talon ammo and the Rhino-shok bullets.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    At the risk of sounding strange, I gotta tell you something. I got my ammo today from Cabella's, and well.... its so CUUUUTTTEE!!It looks like a scaled down version, a little minature if you will, of a big rifle cartridge. I dont care if the gun makes it or not, I'm sure glad I got the ammo, its so cool to look at, I cant believe how small it is, and looks just like a big rifle cartridge, you gotta get some, just to look at!
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Clouder:You`re even cooler than I thought you were!!! .218
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rob,Begining to see the light?
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LTS--How much did the 1,000 rounds cost you? I have no intention of buying a gun chambered for this cartrige but it would be a unique conversation-piece...say...30 years from now when I'm in my 50's.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Varminthunter, Nope, no diff. in the light. I just think the round is cute. Its so small, it doesnt look capable of killing anything, not that it cant, I just wouldnt think of using it on anything I plan on killing humanely. Its too small for most anything other than gophers in my book. I cant imagine it being used for anything over about 10 pounds, like kittys. I like cats though.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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