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Just read it .......

Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
http://www.gvny.com/columns/lamb/lamb01-11-02.html
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  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO ,I aint clicking on that link. I'm not doing it. Might be something bad there.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, its not one of Judge Dread's wierd posts, its a very informative and eye opening article on homeless people in New York City. It will be extremely enlightening to all who read it. Good post Dread.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have you noticed that the homeless issue is a non-issue in the media when a Democrat is in office but then there are suddenly record numbers of homeless being reported as soon as a mean heartless incompassionate Republican is elected?
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    How about them getting a job and paying taxes instead of figuring a better way of getting a handout?
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aw gee. Poor me. I'm homeless and it ain't my fault. it's society's fault an' they owe me an' if sumbody wud jist gimme a job where I din't have to work an' could jist get a paycheck...........Horse pucky. There have always been bums and there always will be.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lowrider, Not to be smart, I think what bothers me is that they are consuming that much of our taxes. I will go with the assumption that none of them will ever become a contributing part of society, just for arguments sake, not because I believe that. Now we are spending that much money on them, when in fact what the man had to say is true, the system isnt designed to help them, its designed to prolong the problem to make the rich richer. If the system was desgigned to fix the problem they would put these homeless on the track to productivity with the money they are pouring into the program, instead of wasting it with the current program. My personal belief is that if one of the homeless is worth a minimum of 23,000 per year, that most of that money is lining someones pocket, instead of going to cure the problem, thereby easing the burden on tax payers, as well as getting the homeless a job, so that they can too pay taxes and be productive. The fact is that they are spending more on the homeless per person, than what an E-4/E-5 makes in a year. That is dead wrong. If we can provide a military member with housing and food for less than what they are spending on the homeless, then they need to do the same for the homeless, and put them to work in the process, picking up trash if nothing else. At least thats how I see it.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I agree. The taxpayers are definitely NOT getting the best bang for their buck.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whats wrong with putin them in the military? I'm sure the army needs cooks and potato peelers. I know the libs will say it is their right to be bums but I don't feel it is mandatory for all of us to support them. I don't give to the bums, I'm all the time asked for money and I tell them no. nobody GAVE me what I have. get off your lazy keasters and make something out of your selfs.
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  • OtomanOtoman Member Posts: 554 ✭
    edited November -1
    Many of the homeless are dissabled or through no fault of their own Mentally Ill,or have become alcoholics and unable to hold down a job. These people need to be evaluated and receive help. The others that are capable of working that don't have the above mentioned problems need to also be evaluated and delt with in another fashion. I don't have the answer to the problem but there are a minimum of 2 catagories of homeless people. And certainly the children have no control of what is going on in their lives and fully deserve any help that is given to them.[This message has been edited by Otoman (edited 01-13-2002).]
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The smart point is that GOVERMENT spends more tax money on keeping this people stupid and homeless,That is less expensive to buy them a home and train them to WORK than keeping them sick and destitute. Also if you see what the goverment pays in FIVE years to rent a home for a poor familyup to $75,000. the goverment is better offbuying them a NEW HOUSE for $48,000 or a trailer home for $27,000. Someone is making MORE money keeping this people IGNORANT ,LOW STEEMED and drug dependent than ENDING the problem by smartHUMAN social changes (new programs)to create self sufficiency and development, self-steem & satisfiying jobs they can be proud of,like the rest of us.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most homeless don't meet the military's qualifications to get into the military. Hell, half the people that walk in and try to volunteer are unable to do so. I had a guy in my office a few months ago that was about 2 weeks from being homeless because he couldn't hold down a steady job. He rode the system and went through Job Corps (paid for by your tax dollars) to get trained in "Culinary Arts". He couldn't even keep a job at Wendy's after that because he was always trying to set things on fire and had a bad attitude. Needless to say, there was an open warrant looming out for him on the west coast which I discovered after spending 9 hours on his enlistment packet and several more hours in the gymnasium trying to help him shed a few pounds so that he could be in basic training before he was homeless.
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Part of me says - where is your compassion, what should we do for those who really can't help themselves. I'm not talking about drug or alcohol abusers - JMHO - you or the Stupid doctors who say it is a disease seem to be in it for money or sympathy. Thats like saying I have to feel sorry for the Gay Guy who gets aids. NOT. I have had my problems with drugs and alcohol, at some point in life you need to grow up or there you are with nothing but problems. I have helped people in the past who are willing to help themselves. Other than that - I can't change all of their problems - when I have a family to provide for....
    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
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  • texasmiketexasmike Member Posts: 25 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Besides they are no longer called homeless-Now they are Urban Outdoorsmen-A much more practical name for this forum.
    Texas Mike
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Gentlemen, have you forgotten that Ronald Reagan decided that the cost of mental institutions was too high and had those patients who were not "dangerous" discharged. Many of them, unfortunately, had insufficient skills other than to ask for handouts. This is the single largest cause for homelessness in the USA. Thanks, Ronnie. (Before you flame, I voted for Bush.)
    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
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  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    back in my less sophisticated days(last year or so) i entertained the notion of hiring homeless for my own personal army. i would outfit them w/ turkish mausers and they would sleep in a warehouse space rented by me. the trouble is, i couldn't think of a good use for a hobo army. doubtlessly uncreative on my part. "homeland defense" sounds sorta good, now...but there does ocaisionally seem to be a hex on some folks, who for whatever reason- laziness or craziness blah blah blah, cant get it together. i don't really blame the govt or the do gooders or even the homeless- it just seems that in this system, people end up loosers or winners. the blessing is that most can be winners here and i sometimes forget myself why there needs to be loosers. the answer is that, ultimately, its a free country and its their right....coincidentally, i believe "gentle christian kindness" towards "less fortunate" is a good thing. remember, the meek shall inherit the earth- though not any time soon...
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All people posses an innate ability for CREATION, find it and you open the door to regeneration of the Human being.
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  • Homer J SimpsonHomer J Simpson Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Close HAIRY, but the liberals emptied the mental wards during Carter's administration. That was the cause of homelessness. FREE THE NUTS!As all results of liberalism, a bunch of people got screwed.They should have been protected and helped. Instead, I spent 3 years trying to clean up the problem. Hell, even the liberals know how the liberals caused this.This is a no brainer - but please help out the folks who don't fit in w/ society.Make it so they can get into a safe place.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Greetings HomerJ..My wife and I were going shopping a few weeks back around 4:30PM, and a homeless fellow had a sign hanging around his neck that said; "What the heck I can't lie, I need a drink" while chain smoking, smiling and waving to every car going by.I think alot of you guys don't give them enough credit, they're sly like foxes, and for sure the majority of 'em are homeless cause they want to be.I've watched them, even the so called crazies, know exactly which end of the bottle to drink out of, and which end of the cigarett to light, I've yet to see one of them lite the filter end of a cigarett. [This message has been edited by turbo (edited 01-15-2002).][This message has been edited by turbo (edited 01-15-2002).]
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    20% of all children are homeless or live under the federal poverty level. There are a lot of homeless people who are drunks. There are also a lot of homeless people who are women and children running from abuse. There are also a lot of mentally ill or otherwise disabled people who have nowhere to go.
    The definition of an "expert":An "X" is an unknown quantity and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Sometimes we have some real dorks asigned to help these folks.I had a guy working with me,who was in a shelter,he paid $50. a week for a cot,and had to attend ~AA~or ~NA~meetings each day,so he had to be in from work for the 4:00 ~AA~ meeting so I had to leave the job around 3:00 to get him there.And the real pisser was he never had an abuse problem in his life,he was 21.Why is it that everybody considers~AA~ the fr!&&in authority on alcoholism.....disease my *!!.218
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    20% of all children are homeless or live under the federal poverty level. There are a lot of homeless people who are drunks. There are also a lot of homeless people who are women and children running from abuse. There are also a lot of mentally ill or otherwise disabled people who have nowhere to go. A terror worst than 911 but they don,t die in a day by a single blow of a plane or fast by being crushed by a falling building they waste showly,abused,neglected untill they rot their lives away yet no CNN no TIME or news tell you about the MAGNITUDE of this terror ...
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  • Homer J SimpsonHomer J Simpson Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    20% of all children are under the poverty level?#1. You make up facts and defend them. 20% yeah right.But wait, this Judge man does good work.#2. I like how you offer a hand to those who are not right. I do the same. It is our duty, as human beings to help each other.Homer
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can give you some defense of the statistics I provided.From the US Dept. of Ed.: A U.S. Department of Education (DOE) report, based on state estimates, asserts that there are 220,000 homeless school-age children, about one-third of whom do not attend school on a regular basis (1989). But, the National Coalition for the Homeless estimates that there at least two times as many homeless children, and that less than half of them attend school regularly (CDF, 1988).Massachussets has about 20% while Louisiana has about 34%. If you don't believe me, ask the youth minister if you belong to a church. That's where my initial estimate comes from. Perhaps you can refute this number?
    The definition of an "expert":An "X" is an unknown quantity and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure.
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One of the best ways to combat the problem of the mentally ill homeless is to put them in an assisted living and working situation and to force them to take their medication. If forced to take medication, if supplied with small amounts of help at home and at work, and if provided with sliding-scale housing, many of the mentally ill can lead productive, tax-paying lives. There are two problems with this: (1) Forcing people who have not committed a crime to take medication goes against our laws. The courts have reasoned that living in a cardboard box and eating out of a dumpster is an acceptable way to live. (2) Such programs, even with the taxes paid by the people served, run at a slight loss. Few homeless people with mental illnesses vote, so politicans aren't compelled to look after their needs.While the civil liberties issues are somewhat troubling, I personally would be willing to pay extra to have this kind of a program in my community.
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  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    223-I like your thinking.
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like the Ritalin case? the doping of half a million kids only because they are HUNTER GATHERERS (RIGHT BRAIN DEVELOPED)"like many of us are", and force them into left brained school systems , call the problem Attention defficit disorder (SICK KIDS) ...and manufacture more COLUMBINES to hide the problem real root .....NORMAL KIDS IN a Dammed sick system that makes them EXPLODE,,alternative? ,Home schooling...
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