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Gun Control We Must Have It(They want to know what you think of this essay)

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
They want to know what you think of this essay... so tell them! http://www.bergen.org/AAST/Projects/Forum/Interactive Gun ControlWe Must Have ItMichael SienkoAmerican History and English 10 Ms. Pichinich and Ms. Wallace Tell us what you think...Outline I. Introduction A. No matter how they are looked upon, guns will be, as they always have been, dangerous. Every time a gun is fired, negative, more often than positive, effects follow. One way or another, gun use must be governed.B. Many demands exist which a law abiding citizen must meet in order to gain possession of a handheld projectile weapon. 1. The Brady Act functions as just one component of legal gun ownership. C. Gun control is a definite necessity. Saying "let's get rid of all guns," will not work; reality dictates this will never happen; in today's world it is not an option. However, problems which have been until now only monitored can be controlled. Pressure can and must be applied to all aspects of gun employment - production, ownership, and most importantly dealership.II. Opposing Viewpoints A. Proposed and implemented laws and bills are often opposed not only by individuals, but by huge organizations. The National Rifle Association (NRA) is against the Brady Bill. III. Supporting Points A. Constitutional support. The Second Amendment B. Guns in the hands of incompetent individuals (juveniles, for example). Suicide, intended and not intended homicide statistics. C. The Brady BillRequires a waiting period during which personal checks are run on a person purchasing a firearm.Bill Clinton called for its strengthening in his reelection campaign. D. Different states require one or more or all the following - a permit, gun registration, a license to own, and a permit to carry (separate ones for concealed and unconcealed). The requirement of the documents varies from state to state since it is based on a particular state's crime rate. IV. Conclusion A. Firearms and handguns must be controlled.B. As a tool of violence, the handgun must be enforced with documents and laws.C. In the wrong hands guns are a serious threat to the society. Control is required.Gun control is one of the most debatable topics today. Thirty-three million Americans own firearms for hunting (Aitkens 9). But hunting is not the sole reason for which many individuals buy firearms. Of all countries, the United States is the one which is troubled most by a large number of criminals who are in possession of guns. The U.S. has the highest firearm murder rate of any democracy in the world (Aitkens 5). Where is the country going wrong as far as gun control is concerned? An immense number of laws have been created by the legislature. All were made in order to be sure guns remain in control of the right hands, yet the problems seem to prevail. All three branches of government (judicial, legislative, and executive) are involved in desperate attempts to improve the situation. Getting rid of guns would not work; it would be an impossible task. But, if pressure was applied to all aspects of gun employment - production, ownership, and most importantly dealership - a majority of problems could be controlled. Since there are two sides to every debate, the antithesis of this position views gun control as unnecessary. This view is strongly held by the National Rifle Association, a very powerful organization, which has nearly 3 million members and an annual budget of 88 million dollars. The NRA is highly effective in motivating thousands of gun owners into action against gun control legislation. Lobbying, advertisements, letter-writing campaigns, and contributions to political candidates who oppose gun control have been some of the establishment's most effective strategies in its fight against tighter firearms laws. Most members of the NRA believe that restricting firearms to prevent gun-related deaths is ridiculous. Allen R. Hodgkins III, a spokesperson for the association, once said, "If you follow that logic, we should also ban the use of motor vehicles. More than 47,000 people die each year in motor vehicle accidents. If we ban their use, no one will ever have a motor vehicle accident and no one will ever die" (Aitkens 11). The whole idea of restricting firearms can seem absurd when contrasted with information published by the National Rifle Association which states that in reality over 99.8 percent of firearms and 99.6 percent of handguns will never be involved in criminal activity. This means that gun control laws would restrict law-abiding citizens, while doing nothing to reduce crime (Aitkens 13-15).The following twenty-seven words of the Second Amendment have caused quite a bit of confusion for the past two hundred years:A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed (Landau 44). The Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. But to whom does it guarantee the right? Everybody? Whom exactly did the people who wrote the amendment have in mind? Let's not forget, this was written over two hundred years ago when life was different. At that time hunting was a major means of getting food and guns were required to protect oneself and one's property from hostile Native Americans and other intruders. In other words, what a car is to an American today, a rifle was to an American back then - a bare necessity (Gottfried 26-31). Another problem about this Amendment is that there are many interpretations of what several of the words in the short text mean. For example, people , according to many, refers to all individual American citizens. Others believe that people is simply avoiding the use of the word militia again, but the two are used in the same sense. In other words, people , used here does not indicate a right of all individuals, but only of those selected few who belong to a militia (which at that time included almost all the males living in a colony). Also, many argue that the Amendment gives states the right to form well-regulated militias or a National Guard and that people as individuals have the right to keep and carry certain types of guns - namely, the kinds of guns used by soldiers in state militias. Those would be for no other purpose but to defend the state. All other guns, such as sawed-off shotguns (short-barrelled guns and handguns), can be regulated by the government because such guns have never been used by the military and, therefore, do not have a military purpose (Gottfried 31-33).Afore mentioned NRA statistics seem overwhelming, and, perhaps, conclusive. However, they are rather meaningless since they do not manage to explain the damages caused by those mere 0.2 percent (for firearms) and 0.4 percent (for handguns). The following are some statistics gathered by Maggi Aitkens:The number of people murdered by firearms rose 160 percent between the years 1960 and 1980, comparing to an increase of 85 percent for people who were murdered by other means.Every day in the United States, 10 children ages 18 and under are killed by handguns, mainly by accident.Another 100 children are seriously injured.A teenager intentionally takes his or her own life with the use of a handgun every three hours. In general, as the years go by, guns tend to outweigh all other methods of suicides, and this includes adults, as well. (pg. 6-7)These misfortunes are just a few examples of the power of guns to kill. Tens more can be thought of in a matter of seconds. Even though Mr. Hodgkins' opinion seems to make a lot of sense, it is not without flaw. Susan Whitmore, a spokesperson for Handgun Control, Inc., sees things a bit differently. During an interview she said, "We have laws for people who drive cars, including who can drive, how they drive, and under what circumstances. People are required to pass a test, obtain a license, and register their vehicles. They're prohibited from driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol - when most car accidents occur - and these laws are strictly enforced. We're not calling for a total ban on firearms. We're calling for national laws that stop criminal access to handguns and ensure the appropriate use of firearms - the same way laws require people to use an automobile appropriately. In a country where cars, dogs, and even bicycles must be registered in most areas, shouldn't we have at least similar laws for something as dangerous as firearms?" (Aitkens, 11-12)According to Whitmore, no one from Handgun Control, a non-profit organization, believes gun control laws alone will stop all handgun violence. She goes on to say "We're not that naive. The fact is, gun control is only part of the answer - but it's a very important part. We believe it will make a significant dent in the number of needless handgun and other firearm deaths in this country." (Aitkens, 12) Thus, Handgun Control favors what else? - gun control! Handgun Control works to pass federal legislation, to keep handguns out of the wrong hands. Claiming more than one million supporters, the organization's central goal is to establish an effective national gun policy (Aitkens 15-17). In summary, the difference between the two sides is that Handgun Control believes that enacting more gun control laws and enforcing stiffer penalties for criminals who use guns will help reduce gun-related crimes in America, while the NRA believes the solution to violent crime lies solely in the swift, sure punishment of people who use guns to commit crimes. Although both favor crime reduction, Handgun Control employs a strategy which addresses the problem of gun-related accidents, suicides, and crimes before they happen by requiring a background search. This background search is opposed by the NRA because they believe that the assumption of innocence makes this unnecessary. Although one should be assumed innocent until proven guilty, there is nothing wrong with being cautious about gun possession.In the United States, the controversy over federal gun control legislation did not really begin until the early 1900's. Since then, 20,000 plus gun control laws have been ratified at all levels - federal, state, and local. Do gun control laws actually work? This is the question most often posed in the never ending controversy. Some people believe gun control laws keep guns from falling into the wrong hands and, thus, prevent violent crimes. Others insist that criminals simply find other ways to obtain weapons, and gun control laws only prevent law-abiding citizens from exercising their right to own guns (Bender 68). In a way both statements are true, but they clash and both have flaws. And this is exactly what makes it obvious that something must be done in order to correct the situations. Since there are many laws on the books already, more laws is not the solution. So what must be done? The laws must be applied. Only by enforcing the laws can we make them useful; otherwise, government officials wasted a lot of time creating them in the first place. Enforcing means keeping very strict documentation of all actions, starting with manufacturing at the base and ending with licenses to carry at the peak. (But more about this further on.)Gun control laws are usually passed in reaction to an increase in crime. Gangsters started using sawed-off shotguns and automatic weapons in the 1920's, causing a lot of problems. People needed to somehow protect themselves against being constantly threatened of getting caught in gang-to-gang cross-fire. Laws concerned with this particular problem weren't passed until 1927 in the form of the Miller Bill. Mandatory registration of the most commonly used weapons in the previously described crimes did not follow until 1934 with the National Firearms Act. The assassinations of the '60's, including President Kennedy, civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., and presidential candidate Senator Robert Kennedy provoked further action with the Gun Control Act of 1968. A constant complaint is that gun control works against people who obey the law. This is unfortunate, but people should learn to cope with this. Why is that? Some people simply have to lose or give up what they want for the sake of the majority. Since picking a criminal out of a crowd is impossible, it should be assumed that anyone and everyone could be a criminal. Laws of prohibition or control must be set up for everybody, including those individuals who would not present any problems. Criminals have easy access to guns, and the only way of stopping them from obtaining them, is by unfortunately restricting easy access of guns for everyone.A waiting period would prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. The following historical event illustrates this need. On March 30, 1981, in Washington D.C., John Hinkley pulled a .22-caliber revolver from his pocket and opened fire on President Ronald Reagan, White House Secretary James Brady, and two security men. Although he was injured (the bullet hit only an inch from the heart), Reagan recovered. Brady was shot in the head and suffered severe brain injury that left him permanently disabled. Hinckley had done nothing more than present a valid driver's license and purchased his gun (with which he committed the crime) for twenty-nine dollars in a Dallas pawn shop. Even though he used a false address, at the time of purchase he was not a convicted felon. It has to be understood a gun is not a toy, but Hinckley had not gone through any more trouble buying the weapon than people who come into the store to buy, let's say, a newspaper. Some people believe that a waiting period is needed between the time a person applies to buy a firearm and the time when the actual purchase is made in order to do a background check on the buyer. Most gun control supporters say a waiting period and background check would prevent many shootings. Sarah Brady, a lobbyist for Handgun Control and the wife of James Brady, is one of several people who have worked to get Congress to approve a major gun control bill, commonly known as the Brady Bill, that would require a seven-day waiting period. On May 8, 1991, the Brady Bill passed by a vote of 239 to 186 in the House of Representatives. The Senate included a slightly different version in its Omnibus Anti-Crime Bill - a bill that addressed not only gun control, but many other issues as well. A compromise between the Senate and the House of Representatives also set up a program to update criminal records so dealers could eventually conduct instant checks on purchasers through centralized computer system (Aitkens 54-56). A waiting period just might have stopped Hinckley. Currently, the Brady Bill has presidential support. President Clinton called for a strengthening of the Brady Bill during the reelection campaign (Kopel 43-44).Gun control is necessary in our violent society. Gun registration, permits to purchase, license to own, and license to carry are very important safety precautions. States like New Jersey require all of these, depending on specific uses of the weapon. Vermont, however, requires none, and the minimum age is 16. The requirements are mirrored by crime rates of specific areas of the United States, and Vermont, unfortunately, is a very rare example of a state with a low crime rate. Most states are somewhere in between with requirements, and many come close or match those of New Jersey. The documentation is very important as it monitors transfers between dealer and buyer. Documentation must be enforced to such a degree that it is either unavoidable, or a person simply cannot get a gun.Although convincing statistics have been cited, they alone are not enough. It is public opinion that shapes the government. Numerous polls and surveys indicate the majority want enforcement of current legislature regarding guns and firearms.Since more gun related crimes are committed in the USA than any other country in the world, the United States needs to improve its gun policies. Keeping people on record would allow strict control of guns. "People" are all involved; manufacturers, dealer, buyers, and most importantly, users.Works Cited Aitkens, Maggi. Should We Have Gun Control? Minneapolis: Lerner Publications Company 1992.Cozic, Charles P., et al., eds. Gun Control . San Diego: Greenhaven Press, 1992.Gottfried, Ted. Gun Control; Public Safety and the Right to Bear Arms . Brookfield, CT: The Millbrook Press, 1993.Landau, Elaine. Armed America; The Status of Gun Control . Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Julian Messner, 1991.Hawkes, Nigel. Gun Control . New York: Gloucester Press/Watts, 1988."A New Round For and Against the Brady Bill." U.S. News & World Report 9 Sept. 1996: 8.Kopel, David. "Criminal Record." National Review 2 Sept. 1996: 43-44.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I cant get too upset about this essay. It was written by some tenth grader as a high school project. It is interesting to note that the sources he cited for his little essay was all anti-gun propoganda.And my favorite line was"some people have to lose or give up what they want for the sake of the majoprity since picking a criminal out of a crowd is impossible, it should be assumed that anyone and everyone could be a criminal. Laws of prohibition or control must be set up for everybody, including those individuals who would not present any problem"I see the authors history teacher has taught him well. Marx would be proud.
  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
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    Lots of bull s--t here, but the sentence in the fourth from the last paragraph sums it up perfectly, "Some people simply have to lose or give up what they want for the sake of the majority."Ahh yes....the socialist mantra!The individual must be subservient to the group!Do you want liberty? Do you want your individual rights? Do you want your property? Your life? Sorry, the "majority" has decided you have to "lose or give up" these things....for the "the sake of the majority"-- with, of course, an "all powerful" government acting on behalf of this "majority".Welcome to Totalitarian USA!
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
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    here is a copy of the response I posted. I was a VERY opinionated young man as a 10th grader. I hope it does not fall on deaf ears.C-I am responding to the essay entitled, "Gun Control, We Must Have It" by Michael Sienko.i hope that this is the correc link or that it can be transferred to him.First, I am glad to see he has attempted to adress both sides of the issue.I shall address pats of the essay in the order they appear, then some comments n general. I can only assume then, that this essay has not yet been graded, or is otherwise a work-in-progress.1.The outline is somewhat confusing. No supporting informatio should be placed in a skeleton outline (unless part of the assignment). BARE-BONES IS MUCH MORE CLEAR.2. The outline states "Firearms and handguns". Handguns are firearms. If a distinction between the control of rifles and shotguns versus handguns as regards control legislation is to be made, it should be clerly stated. If Master Sienko desires to propose that all firearms should be controlled similarly, it should be learly stated.3. paragraph 1: the author proposes an outline for the control of firerms through "production, ownership, and most importantly dealership" but veers considerably in the essay. Furthermore, the firearm industry is in fact one of the most heavily regulated industries in each of those areas already. The author would do well to address those restrictions and their subsequent failure to prevent the criminal use of firearms despite increased legislation and restrictions. this is the quandry of the firearm debate.4. regarding the second ammanedment. James madison and other writers and legal cases for the next 50 years after ratifcation of the 2nd ammendment support th right of the individual citizen to keep an bear arms. the national guard was not created for over 100 years after ratification.The militia was onsidered to be the entire populus, and such quotes to that effect can be found in numerous sources- and websites whih I will provide if time permits.5.regarding Aitkens statistics: an 18 year old is not a child. Gun-control dvocates typically inlude in accidental and criminal deaths ages up to 19 years, which is an adult and is misleading to the general public. No other agency, including the American Academy of Pediatrics includes 18 and 19 year olds in the ages considered childhood.6.regarding Handgun Control Inc: their website clearly states that their long-term goal is the eradication of ALL firearms, not merely control of them. The extent to which this will reduce cime is of course the debate.7.The author states that people should "cope" wth the loss of rights for th majority. In fact, the majority of states, 33 at this time, allow permits to carry firearms. The minority is the states that do not. In each state that allows law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm, a oted reduction in violent crime has been realised.7. The author states that "criminals have easy access to guns", then goes on to state that restricting everyone's access will help. Access is already restricted. The author's statements do not follow logically. Indeed, in Australia and England where legal ownership of a firearm has been BANNED, not just restricted, there has been a marked increase in firearms homicides and realted crimes. This effect can also be seen in Washington DC, where no firerms are allowed, yet it remains one of the cities most plagued by firearms crimes. Indeed the criminals do have access to forearms, leaving the last part of the authors proposition void. As follows these facts, vermont is not a rare example of a state which allows the carrying of a firearm and has low crime, but is the norm. Vermont also has a low-population density which some social scientists postulate that strongly influences violent crime rates independently.8.The author correctly states that the most important firerm control is the end-user. No damage will occur when a firearm is discharged is the muzzle is pointing in a safe direction. This is the basic principle of safe firearm handling.9. The authors references are solely from "gun-control" sources. Since he proposes in th introduction to do justice to both sides of the debate, he has omitted any significant factual basis for the opposing side. This is a mistake a 10th grader should learn to avoid. I is also a tool of deceit used by lawmakers, who know that the populaion generally will not check the facts, and vote with their hearts and not their brains and thus do not care for the facts. I challenge thi young man to grow to be above that.Fianlly, even if this young man an his classmates cannot be convinced in their opinion regarding gun control (and how sad to have an inflexible mind at such a young age), let me share that he should at leas NEVER be willing to give up his rights- no matter what. To quote benjamin Franklin: "He who would sacrifice essential freedom for temporary security deserves, and will hve neither freedom nor security."I hav deliberately left off my references to encourage further research on this topic by the author, and anyone else.I apologise for any (many?) typographical errors in this commentary.incerely,Carl Pileri,MD
  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Excellent arguments Doc!(And I thought I was a bad typist! I'd hate to see your handwriting...)
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    handwriting is pretty bad, always was.
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The more I think about this essay, the sadder I become.Not just because of the content.THE SINGLE FOCUS of my 9th grade english class was the perfection of the 6 paragraph essay, and essay writing in general.It was an honors course, but believe me we ALL could put together a clear, organized essay before that year was over.From a grammatical standpoint, this students essay was unclear, his essay did not follow closely his proposed outline, and his "facts" were either plainly incorrect or else subject to considerable interpretation.Even more saddening: the teacher ACCEPTED THIS WORK AS THE FINISHED PIECE AND POSTED IT FOR ALL AMERICA TO SEE.If nothing else, this essay demonstrated the failure of education in this country, or at least that community.I know Mrs.Hall, my revered high-school english teacher- a terriffic lady mind you, would have graded this "F" or at least a "do over".Of course, do they give "F"'s anymore? wouldn't that hurt a childs self-esteem? forcing him to become the next McVeigh or Dahlmer? Sorry, I digress.Carl
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's the link to reply to this essay!http://www.bergen.org/AAST/Projects/Forum/wwwboard/wwwboard.htmlI hope everyone takes the time to infl;uence the children.Carl
  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is my reply to the essay.Attn: Editor,I am writing in response to Mr. Schenko's Essay titled, "Why we need Gun Control." While I admire his heartfelt sentiment and his attempt to be fair, I must point out several shortcomings both with his conclusions and his overall grammatical style.Initially, his outline states that he intends to make the point that a single discharge of a firearm is more likely to have harmful consequences than either neutral or beneficial results. However, within the text, he apparently accepts as fact the cited NRA Statistic that more than 99.8 of firearms are never used in a criminal act. These two statements are flatly in opposition to each other, yet the author made no attempt to either address this conflict, or resolve it. Secondly, the Author sets out to show why the enaction of further gun control measures would reduce crime in America. However, the two state examples that he gives as proof of this actually show just the opposite. The author's only address of this issue is to remark that this is unfortunate. I was left to interpret that remark on my own, and came to some disturbing conclusions. Apparently, the author wishes that the good citizens of Vermont were subject to even higher crime rates than the citizens of New Jersey, so that his point about needing further gun control would be valid. It seems to me to be unreasonable to wish for horrific acts of violent crime against the peaceful citizens of Vermont in order to prove one's political point. In fact, by citing these two facts, he actually made a very strong deductive case for a lessening in the amount of restriction placed on the private ownership of firearms; which I'm certain was not his intent. Third, the author set out to prove that further restriction was needed with regard to firearms ownership, manufacture, and dealership. However, in the entire essay, he entirely fails to address either firearms manufacturing restrictions or sales restrictions. On this basis alone, he significantly failed to support his thesis. It has been six years since I wrote my last high school paper, but in the meantime I have written more college essays than I care to count. I can assure the author that at the collegiant level, failure to support one's thesis is certain to provide a low grade. Finally, Mr. Schenko makes a major error late in the paper when he states that some or all of the people in a randomly assembled crowd must be assumed to be criminals, since true criminals do not stand out from a crowd. This violates the most fundamental tenet of our entire system of justice. Our entire justice system is predicated on the premise that an individual is innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. By presupposing the guilt, rather than the innocence of any given individual, the author has entirely stripped the fourth and the fifth amendments from our Constitution. I realize that the author is only a sophomore, and may not have studied the Constitution yet, but even casually watching one of the many legal dramas on TV today quickly gives one an appreciation of the concept of a presumption of innocence.It is not my intent to attack the author with this response, rather I am hoping to assist in furthering his education, and hoping to encourage him to aspire to greater heights. I am not writing this because I am opposed to his point of view regarding gun control, but because I noticed several glaring weaknesses in his argument style. Although I do not favor additional gun control, I respect the author's right to differ with my point of view. Thank you for your time in reading this.Sincerely,Andrew AdamsMedical Student, Temple University School of Medicine.
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Andrew,Excellent argument!One minor error (which you may have already noted); our justice system is based upon the concept that one is considered innocent til proven guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt"--not "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as you wrote.Joe
  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Competone,That was a typo on my part that I didn't catch until the third reading. I also misspelled the kid's name. Oops.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This should make the little parentless moron happy. I believe in gun control and was practising it when he was running up and down his fathers backbone to keep from being shot in a $2.00 whores *. Would anyone think that it would make a strong case for the spinless wimp that fathered him and himself as a castration candidate to head off any such mental continuance. I and I alone control my guns. this will not change.
  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The author of this little essay sounds like a "LIBERAL" in training.Homework assignment; please memorize Second amendment: especially the sentence containing the following:"A well-regulated militia..State, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED...."Keep in mind guns do not kill people, people kill people.*********************************************"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people ALWAYS possess ARMS, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."Richard Henry Lee, Antifederalist, Continental Congress
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
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    P.Odle, please take it easy! Yeesh.Besides, insulting the young man and his parents will only make them all angry, indignant, and totally disregard all the thoughtful posts people have taken the time to write. Then they will not do any further research into the topic. Thus, their opinions will never change.The author is still, I pray, an open mind and not so rigid as he may seem at a young age. At his age and psychosocial development it is common to follow the mainstream (i.e. the media- unfortunately) and peer pressure may keep any deviation from showing. He and anyone to whom he shows your remarks, out of context of course, can be used as jabs against all pro-constitution/ pro-2nd ammendment folks, saying they are ALL profane and insulting- and shouldn't be trusted with potentially dangerous items.Only by being viewed as sincere and persistent professionals, and by conducting ourselves as such, will we sway the opinions of our nation.And changing opinions is indeed the point.Sure, I believe we (all on GB, not only you and I) are of one mind: pro-USA, pro-sovereignty, pro-freedom,pro-gun, and decent, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. And yes, my first reaction was a fine example of expletives as well. But our public face must be of professional demeanor.Hope I have not ruined any chance for friendship.Carl
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    The young mans short comings in both structure of the essay and support of hisargument are well documented in the posts above. I can see he was raised in a, mostlikely, liberal home and has served his parents well in reflecting the views he has beentaught. Judging from his age and his views, I can assume that his parents arenon-military, non-law enforcement persons. I am also assuming that his father is not ahunter or sport shooter, and probably has never handled or been trained in properhandling of a firearm. Furthermore, I can assume neither of his parents have been avictim of violence. This young man fortunately never had to defend himself or a family member. Hehas never served in the armed forces, nor has he seen the horrors of real war. He hasnever been forced to the psychological point of never allowing these things he has neverseen, from happening to him or one he loves. I also doubt he has ever handled a firearmor been trained in the proper use of a firearm either. These are things our fathers taughtmost of us as we grew up. He didn't interview a victim who has decided to arm himself for prevention norhas he sat with someone who has had to use deadly force, or even the threat of deadlyforce to protect himself. He has not interviewed the criminal, who with total disregard for human life, hastaken another. He has not studied the results of the countries who have had gunregistration that has turned to confiscation. He would discover that Hitler was one ofgreat leaders, and he would discover how he used it to the proliferation of evil. I agree that his view was not bipartisan, and was indeed slanted from the start. Ido not however blame him for this. Our children generally reflect what they are taught. He would find that most of the illegal uses of firearms are from persons who lack theseproper training's. I hope he is smart enough to put aside the thoughts of youth and review his stanceon this issue when he is older. I also hope he can look on it from an informed andeducated view of both rights and freedoms. Sometimes it takes something like this to remind those of us who are in advancedage just how much the American culture and views of the young have changed. Wedepend on you younger members to do much of the work defending these issue for us,but I will make sure that I spend this weekend with my grandchildren and be sure my sonis passing on the values I've taught him. This is very disturbing for me.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
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    Cpilerisorry I came down so hard as to offend a fellow member, but having sprang from loving parents,it galls the hell out 0f me to see someone that never had the opportunity to live in a much more civilized world where right was more evenly balanced with law. Our world has partially because of the lack of proper parental teachings become a place where the outlaw is seen as job security for the vast majority of law enforcement and the law abiding are just there. the young man had not been taught that he was living in a free country primarily because of the guns in the hands of law abiding people. I neverwould have come down so hard had the essay originator had parents.
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
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    Patrick Odle,Glad you aren't upset at me!You're correct, though. I worry everyday that I'll raise my son correctly. If his opinions differ, well it will heat up dinner conversation. But he will at least have an open and trained mind!C
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
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    Here's another bit to consider. I already posted it on the essayists webboard._________________________________For Those who interfere with the Amendment II of the US Constitution. The next person shot may be YOU
    I'm not a Paul Harvey fan, and don't endorse other things that hemight say, but here, he's on the mark. With just one correlationof "gun control" and genocide, it could be coincidence, but withthis many, and I'm sure there are more, the connection and itsnature becomes fairly clear. Commentary by Paul Harvey: "Are you considering backing gun control laws???" Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter? CONSIDER THIS... In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. - From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. - From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938. - From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. - From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. - From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. - From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. - From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. - The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%, Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%. In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns." It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. Take action before it's too late, write or call your delegation. Paul Harvey
  • cpilericpileri Member Posts: 447 ✭✭✭
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    has anyone who took the time to read this kids essay and write on the comment webboard gotten any kind of response from him?Just wondering if that high school cares about the commentary being blasted at one of their students.
  • gunnutgunnut Member Posts: 724 ✭✭✭✭
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    to protect oneself and one's property from hostile Native Americans and other intruders. In other words, what a car is to an American today, a rifle was to an American back then ...MY A$$THe NUT
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The right to keep and bear CARS or the right to keep and bear arms,cars are too expensiveto "shoot" vermin with em...And you have to "ride" the bullet...
    I judge Thee!, Not for what you are , but for what you say !
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