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Something has changed and it's not the guns.

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
Something has changed and it's not the guns.Updated 02/03/2002 I went to school in a different time, the late 1950's and 1960's. It was a semi-rural area, and most people in the area had guns.I was also a nerd before there was such a thing as a nerd. If I were in school today, I would have been labeled ADD and drugged into complacency. As it was, I was bored to tears because school was not a challenge. I was a target for every bully in the school from grades 1-12, including the teachers. One classmate expected me to show up every morning and accept my beating. I did it. I looked at every schoolday morning as a death-row prisoner must look at their last day on Earth, except I knew I'd have to repeat it tomorrow. Like many other kids in my school, I had easy access to guns.If any kid ever had motive, means and opportunity to blow away their teachers and classmates, I did.The LAST THING I would have dreamed of, however, would have been to shoot someone. I watched Elmer Fudd point a shotgun, point-blank at Buggs Bunny and pull the trigger. All that happened to Buggs was a soot-covered face. Somehow, however, I knew you didn't point a shotgun at a person.I knew you didn't kill. Killing a human being just wasn't a concept in my mind, or in the minds of my fellow students. A respect for life was something we knew instinctively in our souls.Most of the boys in my neighborhood had guns. Surplus 7.62mm Mausers were sold at the local department store for $12.00. Ammo was available at Robbys surplus store. You needed no I.D., permit or anything but two bucks to buy 150 rounds of surplus NATO ammunition. We spent Saturdays at the local trash dump shooting at rats and pretend Nazis. Other days we played war games, had BB battles, played cowboys and Indians and Cops and Robbers. For these, of course, we'd leave the 'Real' guns at home. We somehow knew they weren't toys.We built pipe bombs filled with our own home made black powder. We made bazookas that would shoot a dirt clod a quarter of a mile and generated hydrogen in pop bottles full of aluminum foil and lye so we could float surplus weather balloons (ordered from the back of the Sgt. York comics) high in the sky and shoot them with flare guns just to watch them burn.We knew that White Phosphorus (Willie Pete) could burn a hole in an engine block because we did it. We made rockets from steel broom handles and used them to launch our homemade fireworks.Our toys had sharp edges, things that would burn you, shock you, crush your fingers and get lodged in your throat. We had knives, hatchets, axes and other potentially harmful tools.We lived next to forests with snakes, rivers with undertow and all manner of other deadly things. We had fishhooks, spears, crossbows (mostly home made) poisons and other potentially fatal objects all around us.Based on the above, our recent 35th class reunion should have been attended by grieving parents and widows. SURPRISE, we're alive and well.The difference between then and now..?Adults, however misguided they may appear in hindsight, who cared -- really cared.My father took me hunting when I was 8 years old, but only after I demonstrated that I knew how to handle a gun and was a crack shot. When his dog Mack brought back my first kill, a little bunny rabbit, my life changed. That lovable furry little critter that I would have loved to pet and cuddle was cold, bloody and dead. Nothing teaches a child more respect for life than holding death in his hands. From that day forward I had a deeper respect not only for life, but for what a person with a gun could do to that life in an instant. I was upset for weeks, and that respect for life is with me today.We don't teach children fear of water, we teach them to swim. Are parents doing their children any favors by saying things like, "I never want my child to ever even see a real gun." We all know the lure the forbidden presents to children. Do we really want to foster this curiosity, or should we teach our children a healthy respect for the things that can hurt them, or others. Are we doing them a favor by completely insulating them from anything that could cut, bruise crush or burn? My parents had their problems, and they both passed while I was in my early teens. We were not wealthy, and my father was working most of the time. When he was there, however, he left no doubt in my mind that he cared.Could this kind of environment possibly have something to do with the fact that none of my classmates turned into serial killers. It couldn't have been the guns, because we all had them. On the first day of deer season it wasn't unusual to see a rifle or shotgun in somebody's locker when they came in at 2:00, just in time for the last class. One kid built a beautiful crossbow in metal shop using a leaf spring from a car. The thing would shoot a hardened steel rod through two layers of cinder block at 25 yards. He got an "A."Of course times were different then. WWII vets saw atrocities and had traumatic experiences. They went away as young men and returned as trained killers. These were our parents. We watched war movies, read really gross and violent comics (Sgt. York would be deemed too violent today.) As teens we grew up with the horror of the Viet Nam war on television, and for many of us, in reality. We were forced to kill, and many of us, to die. We lived with the threat of the bomb, practicing 'duck and cover' drills as if that school desktop would save us should the Russians attack. What we have to ask ourselves is not why times were different then, but how.Guns haven't changed. Guns are pretty much the same as they were at the beginning of the century. They were easier to get then, but the mechanics have pretty much remained the same.Children haven't changed. They are still born without avarice, hatred, intolerance and bigotry.Could it be the parents who have changed?Is this the same set of draft-dodging "generation ME" parents who also settle workplace disagreements with violence? No wonder the kids are screwed up!But that's another rant!T.S. Eggleston http://www.the-eggman.com/rants/guns_viol_1.html

Comments

  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Now , this guy makes sense! I like it, but you know the new national policy on common sense............not tolerated. Damn shame ain't it?
    If you can't fix it with a hammer, take it to a mechanic. will270win@aol.com ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • royc38royc38 Member Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry to say Josey you just made one of the truest statements that I have ever seen on this forum. I am still shaking my head.
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BRAVO!!!!!I had the same experiences.Mudge the impressed
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    I grew up or at least older during the late 60's in the Texas Hill Country. My experiences were very much the same. Parents have indeed changed. They changed when the social ideas changed and they did not have the strength to stand and do the right thing instead of the political thing.
  • mhansonmhanson Member Posts: 79 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BOY I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ME, BORN IN 1958 AND DID ALL THOSE THINGS TO AND SO DID ALL MY FREINDS. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON TODAY ??????????
  • DonldDonld Member Posts: 741 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wonderful line: We didn't teach our children to fear water; we taught them how to swim. It's hard to imagine a better reply to the gunphobes.
  • treedawgtreedawg Member Posts: 321 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Josey, don't know many that could have said it better. brought back many fond memories.todd
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Damn!Born in '48. Didn't much care for the education being offered as it didn't apply to my interests. I thought chemistry teach about something practical, not memorization of the periodic tables.Anyway... No money for the finer things like soda cans and aluminum foil. No access to Joe's Sporting Goods and 8mm ammo at bargain prices, though I did have both a 98 and a VZ.33.And the rest... I remember the bully experiences, I remember what seemed the life sentence of school, I remember the group of local bullies on the other side of a small river throwing rocks at me and a friend of mine. I had a .22 in hand and it crossed my mind that I could put a quick stop to the situation, but I dismissed that thought very quickly and just moved on.Looking back, I have to agree with your post. Don't live by being frightned of things that might hurt you. Learn about them, respect them, use them, and use your brain so as to protect yourself and others while doing so.As to the institutions of higher learning... Some do well in an institutional environment (school or prison). Some do well outside that environment. I'll always choose the latter. By the way - Sorry you attended a different school. I think we'd have been friends.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And we had the chemistry books,the manuals ,radios and TVs had their schematics you were able to "Upgrade" your car engine to make rockets and science projects ,its NOTthe parents (WE ARE THE PARENTS ) Its our complicity in degradin creativity and promoting consumerism in our young people, our my dog is bigger than yours atitude toward our children denying them the freedom of CHOICE we once had ...... JD
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