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What about these Romanian AK's?

mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
I have been looking at the ones with the hi caps. Are these any good or are they all junk? I find myself thinking about them alot more lately and may be in the market for something of this nature. Should I pass on these? Is there something else in this style that would be fun to shoot and just as cheap (ammo)? I appreciate any help. How accurate are these at 100 yards?

Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

IALEFI, ASLET, NRA, and proud owner of a pair of S&W revolvers.

Comments

  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well worth the cash.

    Stand And Be Counted
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Evil,
    I never really thought that I would want something like that, but it looks like it would be an awful lot of fun to shoot. I just didn't know if they were worth the money or if I would be throwing money away. I am still not sure that is what I want, but I am thinking of it real hard.

    Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

    IALEFI, ASLET, NRA, and proud owner of a pair of S&W revolvers.
  • ADfreeADfree Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have put about 3000 rounds through mine since December. It is completely reliable, more accurate than I expected, and reasonably well built.

    The only problem with them is the finish, but WHO CARES? This isn't supposed to be a "pretty" gun. Well, there is also the fact that if you get it hot enough it will fire 3-4 round bursts...

    They are one of the best rifles you can get for the money.
  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guys,
    If you buy one with hi caps, will it also take the 5 and 10 round magazines?

    Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

    IALEFI, ASLET, NRA, and proud owner of a pair of S&W revolvers.
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    mcneely77,
    I believe most Sar's come with a 30 & 10 round magazine.
    Southern Ohio Gun has them for 279, and Aim has them for 299.
    Make sure you don't pick up the WASR rifle, you want the SAR. The WASR is the single stack AK. Some of these have been converted to accept double stack magazines, however I've been told they don't always function correctly after they've been modified. I recommend the SAR-1, over the others, SAR-2, SAR-3. The SAR-2 uses the Russian caliber 5.45x39, while it's still available at reasonable prices, it isn't a very common caliber in the US so you'll probably spend a lot of time waiting on your ammo to be shipped to you. The SAR-3 uses 223, which is widely available but considerably more expensive. The SAR-1 uses 7.62x39. 7.62x39 is one of the cheapest rounds excluding 22lr, and it's relatively accurate out to a few hundred yards so it's perfect for plinking. The SAR is a perfect plinker but if you're more interested in accuracy, I would recommend that you look into an Ar15.

    ADfree,
    I don't think the heat is the sole cause of the 2 and 3 round bursts your describing. Are you using Russian or American made ammo? The American made ammo has a much thinner primer than the Russian stuff. If your rifle is slam firing, I'd try switching out your ammo, and use a smaller magazine while you're testing it. The last thing you need is to try and hold on to a full auto rifle with a 7.62x39 recoil.

    Munkey



    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • TheguncounterkidTheguncounterkid Member Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Watch the mag wells on the sar-1's. Just ordered 10 from SoG and 3 were so sloppy the mag wobbles all over. The milling job was crap, the stamped ones seem ok. $.02
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    To those who scratch at the eggs of fleas:

    The gun is reliable. Utterly so. Many, many times more reliable than any other modern assault rifle in US Army tests.

    They do have a tendency to get very hot after a couple of 30-rounders in a short time. The gun is designed to fire full-auto, and it will not be damaged by this. Unless the barrel starts to glow (seriously), I wouldnt worry about it.

    The furniture quality varies from rifle to rifle. Mine looks great. The wood is good quality, with good bright color, and the laquer topcoat has only a few minor nicks, which you have to really look for to find.

    Bottom line: The AK-47 and variants are like a K-Car. It is not terribly pretty to look at, it's not terribly expensive, and it's not terribly fast or cool. But it is 100% reliable. And when I say 100%, I mean you could not jam an otherwise mechanically sound rifle by firing it every day in the rain and cleaning it once every 2 months.

    If you're more of a person who examines the entire finish of their car every day to check for the tiniest scratch, and you're most concerned about speed, flashiness, and vanity, you might want to go buy a BMW.

    That would be an AR-15.

    And I hate to tell you, BMWs break down a lot. The pride of German engineering my *.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    I thought about saying Ford pickup truck, but then I remembered my first car was a Ford pickup. Damn thing broke down once a week.

    It was sort of a joke, but what's the matter with a K-Car anyway?
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't listen to LikeToShoot,
    He's just jealous that he can't afford one yet
    No, as said, it is not meant for shooting bottle caps at 200 yards.
    It's a battle rifle, and quite a good one at that. You shouldn't have any problems keeping your shots within a few inches at a hundred yards. I have owned 3 and have never had a malfunction caused by the rifle. Let LTS have his rocks, that just means there will be more Ak's for us!

    Theguncounterkid,
    Make sure you didn't buy a WASR modified to take hi-caps. You can tell by the dimples over the mag wells. If you don't have a recessed area about an inch long directly over the mag well, it's not a Sar. The mag should feel as solid as a rock.

    Munkey

    Here ya go... Check out this pic.
    I've never owned a WASR (WTH would you want to?) but this is what I've been told and all the pictures I've seen appear to agree.




    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Apparently, LIKTOSHOOT is sitting on a vast fortune of some sort and can afford to stock his gun-cabinets with PSG-1's and pre-ban Colt AR-15's.

    Us po' ignant' folks like our weapons to be reliable and time-tested. Silly people.
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok LikeToShoot!

    Viola!



    Whew!

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • RobinRobin Member Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I picked one up a few months ago, a SAR 1. It is pretty ugly but so far it has fired every time I have pulled the trigger. Mine came with the front sight offset slightly to the left. The front sight has a metal hood on each side of the post, something like this (.) and the right side of the hood lines up better on the target than the post. I can hit a barn with it but thats about all.

    I read a post, prior to getting mine, that suggested a way to correct this but I can't locate it. Does anyone have an idea on correcting this problem? Overall, I think they are worth the money. Quite a few boaters in my area bought them for protection while cruising in the Bahamas. LOL

    Worry is the interest humans pay on the debt of miscalculation.
  • mickthenailermickthenailer Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Robin. I think you will find that info here.

    http://linx310.nothingbutguns.com/
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Robin,
    Century was turning at some SARs with Canted front and rear sights in 1999(?) and 2000. For all the hows and whys, check here...
    http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=77

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LIKTOSHOOT ;
    Do you deny that the K-car saved Chrysler from Bankruptcy?
    Also I got my Sar-1 for $283.00 from an Auction.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for all the replys guys, but I am still wondering if the SAR 1 will take 5 round mags? My primary purpose for getting one, if I do, would be for plinking and such, but it would be nice to have it on those days when I am the only dumbA$$ deer hunting in freezing rain and the like. On those days I would like to leave my model 99 at home and maybe take the AK. In Michigan you can only use a firearm with 6 rounds or less. 5 in the magazine and one in the chamber. Does anyone know if the SAR can take a 5 round Mag?

    Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

    IALEFI, ASLET, NRA, and proud owner of a pair of S&W revolvers.
  • Sir JamesSir James Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I presently own a few of the Romaian AK47 single and double stack. I have shot thousands of rounds threw them and never had a problem yet., Some are excellent finish some rough just depends on luck in buying them. I have 5 to 55 round clips for my double stacker. The accuaracy is excellent I can put them in a 3 inch pattern at 100 to 150 yards and better with the scope. Great guns for the money and cost me as much to shoot 22 longs as it does the AK. Theres a lot of places to get realy reasonable prices on ammo as well.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you can locate a 5-round double stack AK mag, it should fit any standard double stack version of the weapon. I believe I bought a 5-rounder at a gun show for my Norinco AK-47s some time ago, but now that I think about it I wouldn't swear on a stack of Bibles that I did...

    In my opinion you should locate a source for your double-stack 5-round AK mag before you buy the Romanian AK. I think your worry is not "will it take" one, but "do they make" one.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - offeror on 06/03/2002 22:44:59
  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Guys! I do appreciate it. I think you have talked me into it. I may email one of these guys listing them on GB and see if there is such a critter for the SAR 1.

    Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

    IALEFI, ASLET, NRA, and proud owner of a pair of S&W revolvers.
  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why not take a 10 round mag and put some type of block in it? Kind of like you put a duck plug in for shotguns.
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