Should they bring back the power of the "Wooden Paddle"?

COWBOYKIDD

On 7mm's thread a couple people made me remember school days.Living on a 64 acre farm walking to the bus stop that was about a mile from the house. But did you ever get some swats with the ones that had the holes drilled in them?I remember my 2nd grade teacher who was an ex sarg a Wac I think is what they were called. Her name was Ms Hagadore .While playing kickball I kicked it right off the roof of the school house and down on her antenna of a 57 Chev. That was good for $14 AND 5 swats. I can still hear the whistle before it hit. Cant spank your kids anymore geeez thats child abuse.Kidd

5db

Yes! Bring it back and line the sweeties up for a quick refresher!

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Bullzeye

I'm sure it'd probably do some good for the nastier kids, but I cant support it simply because it has a tremendous capacity to be abused.With the teaching standards of today being as lousy as they are, I wouldnt entrust many teachers with the duty of inflicting pain in a limited and acceptable manner.

4wheeler

fifth grade,teacher held the front of my pants tight beat me good on the back of my legs. taught me a little respect i never have forgotten. for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction. by the way i needed the paddle. yes bring on the paddle.

Ms. Beast

Our kids get a paddle at home from the hand! I don't know about the teachers, some could get carried away. It really isn't their job, they should tell the parents and let the parents handle it. Or maybe call the parents and let them decide. Some parents don't punish kids and that could be why they have no respect for elders!!!Just my .02!

jltrent

To many other options that work much better than the paddle. If you ask most kids they would rather have the paddling and get it over with than have to think about their actions.

218Beekeep

I had a 2nd grade teacher who did that,she paddled the smallest little seminole girl every day,for not doing homework(not much help at home with homework I suppose).She would have tears streaming down her face...but I don`t recall much audible crying.I figured mine was inevitable(SP)so I hid under the porch,for 2 months instead of going to school..failed that grade of course.That was the beginning of a troubled youth,that and a few other setbacks that I had no control over,caused me to try and catch up,most of my life.So no..I`m not for it!Also,I found out later, that teacher`s husband had already moved off to one of the Ten Thousand Islands in the Gulf of Mexico,to be a hermit for the last 30 or so years of his life..218

COWBOYKIDD

Things have changed alright. You used to get the swats say if you missed more than 3 words on a spelling test. 1 for each word spelled incorrectly.Goofing off in class ya got it from the teacher then were sent to the principal then lord help ya when ya got home. That was the form of disipline here back some 30 yrs ago. We didnt bring guns to school,, maybe a bullfrog or a snake.I cant beleive nobody else has fallen to the wrath of the Paddle.

robsguns

Bullzeye,Read what you wrote, and read it again, then tell me how you contradicted your self in those statements. I believe in paddling by teachers and parents. I also believe in the social services keeping their stinking noses out of parents' business. I also believe a teacher that accuses someone of abusing their kid, because of a stupid state law, ought to be abused. Touchy subject with me, you bet. I've been on the wrong end of the law, falsely accused, and extremely @#!!$$ed about it. I also believe that the problem with kids these days, and think about it for a minute, young adults, yes the 19-25 yr. olds, is that the government stuck their nose in where it didnt belong, when the beginnings of latch key kids and single parents began to surface 2 decades back. Now what we have is a generation of undisciplined punks raising their kids the same way. Now it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out why kids are turning out the way they are, now does it? To paddle or not to paddle that is the question, eh? Ask it all you like, but dont tell me how to raise my child, and then %!TCH when he or she goes out and starts robbing people, doing drugs and leading an unproductive life, because the government told me not to paddle my child. I will be responsible for my childs actions, and I will be the first one the finger is pointed at when that child screws up, so....DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD UNCLE SAM!!!!!!!!! Whew, feel better now.

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COWBOYKIDD

ROB whew ok Well I have to admit most of them I got I deserved. Bullzeye. I question your statement

idsman75

I remember getting thrown out of class and being forced to stand in the hallway in 5th grade. It happened twice. The teacher had the utmost respect of his students. Getting thrown out of class and then having the teacher come out and speak to you in tones that even suggested that he thought less of you was worse than a spanking. His manner of teaching inspired in us nothing less than an intense desire to stay in line and learn. I would have rather had a paddle from someone I didn't know than to feel that I had let down one of the greatest heroes in my life.

legn4

Yes . And why limit it to just kids?

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will270win

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timberbeast

Nope.All I have to do is raise my voice and my kids do what they're told, and apologize for their wrong behavior. They aren't afraid of me, they respect me. They are old enough to be reasoned with. They feel guilty if they do wrong.My older son (18) got in some trouble a few years ago because I told him to stand up for himself if he was right. He was in the hallway between classes, and a couple of other kids were teasing a "special ed" kid, and one of the BG's went to throw a full, unopened can of soda at the slow kid's head. My son knocked the can out of the kid's hand and slammed him against the lockers, and told him that if he ever picked on that kid again, he's kick his *. Suspension. Not to the kid who may have killed someone with the can, but to my son, who prevented it. I defended his actions. The school board's position was that he should have gone and got a teacher. For what, to view the corpse or call the paramedics? From that day forward, the principal and vice-principal had a vendetta against ME, which they used my son to attempt to accomplish. Some reasons for suspensions, and I have the papers in front of me:"Ate too many pickles at lunch.""Sings too loudly in music class.""Chain on wallet too long.""QUOTED CONSTITUTION TO TEACHER.""Attempted to call father.""PICKED UP UNAUTHORIZED TRAY AFTER LUNCH (some kid left his tray on the table, and my son returned it to the proper place, but you're only responsible for your own).I had numerous meetings with the administration, and they attempted at every opportunity to anger me, with smirks and veiled threats. My father would have kicked their butts. Finally, expulsion, reason: The principal would not let him call me when he was in the office for "knocking too loudly" on a door, when his favorite teacher asked him to deliver some papers to the room. My son picked up the phone. That was considered assault. He finished the year going to school at my house (He's from a previous marriage)Re-registered with the original district for high school, and graduated early with a 3.9 GPA. The teacher on whose door he knocked too loudly, the middle school principal, and the middle school vice-principal have all left the school district. (Hmmmm......)Do I want people like this with a paddle?My kid would probably be dead.And trust me, if you met my son, you'd like him. He is very respectful and polite, if you don't prejudge him because he plays in a punk band and his hair is different than yours. I played (and sometimes still do) in a punk band and my hair is still different than yours.During this time, his band raised over 600 bucks for the leukemia foundation at a concert at school. The money (which was collected by the vice-principal), disappeared. Good role models for kids, yep!!This is not meant as an slur against teachers in general, as the final outcome proves, but I find it hard to believe that this school is the only school with these problems .Kids have been expelled for having nail clippers, or drawing pictures of guns or knives. I find it incredible to see support of martial law in public school in this forum, especially since public school is the first bastion of anti-gun and pro-socialist propaganda existent.So the best for last, my son was also suspended for saying that: "I have two guns, and me and my dad shoot a lot. I blew up a squirrel last week."Yep, hand over wooden paddles to the Marxists. All problems will be solved. Can't have kids owning guns or believing in individual rights or expressing right-wing stuff in our schools!! Congrats to the converted for buying it hook, line and sinker![This message has been edited by timberbeast (edited 01-08-2002).]

COWBOYKIDD

Timberbeast.. I think I understand what you are saying.. Not all kids are raised the same thats a fact. What it all boils down to is a respect thing. Maybe I should have wrote the subject different EX: Do you remember the paddles. I dunno. Im a single parent of an 11 almost 12 yr old daughter.She's a good kid most of the time. Pretty responsible and I love her more than "anything" She is my tomboy which Im very proud of. Guess Ill have to ask the boys who call if they would like to help me clean my guns . No my kid cant date she's grounded tillawwwwwww bout 30 lol

.250Savage

Mmmm, sobering post, Timberbeast. Yeah, the times they are a'changin'. The principle of my elementary school had a paddle, and wasn't afraid to use it. But as was posted earlier, discipline is the place of the parents, and the real problem is too many of them aren't willing to enforce it. Witness our fine John Walker. We have spent too much time expecting teachers to be surrogate parents. Our school did have a policy whereby the parents had to approve corporal punishment, but given the abuses Timberbeast cited, I wouldn't put it past those idiots to violate his trust.

gunpaq

Bring back the WOOD! Would not work today because our culture has changed too much but is what we need. Punishment used to be swift and effective - also a deterrent for the other kids in class who felt your pain. Yes, those were the days, parents didn't get an attorney when their child got paddled at school because a strap was usually waiting at home for punishment for the infraction at school.

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RUGERNUT3

You go robs...I agree. I had my butt paddled at school, often. Regular paddle by vice princp. and paddle w/holes by a wood shop teacher...one he had me make by the way!...and I deserved every one.Today? Like robs said the gov. has their nose too far into our private lives so is a very touchy subject. That said, I would say..bring it back...though there might have to be a comprimise of a parent being present.Hey if the parent was inconvienanced(wheres my d$%^ spellchecker?) enough times maybe they would then do their part at home...where it should be done any how.

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Bullzeye

You cant bring back the corporal punishment in school without bringing back the right upbringing at home.Now a days, paddling a kid at school wouldnt do most kids any good, because he's never been taught the morality at home.Like my father says, his biggest fear wasnt the paddling at school, it was the paddling he'd get when he got home.You cant have one without the other.Sex ed is the same way. If you had parents that taught their kids the moral aspect of sex at home, they wouldnt need a poor fascimilie at school.But only a very few parents bother to do that anymore.

thebutcher

I tend to agree with you bullzeye. I also think that a big problem is the idea that parents should be completely autonomous. If I acted up on the baseball field, my coach could discipline me. These days, he'd be hauled into court.

beachmaster73

Don't waste your time paddling the kid. Suspend him from school. Call his parent's work and tell them they have to leave work to escort him off school property. A few times like that and the superior at work will tire of the parents continually leaving work for their delinquent child...guess who doesn't get the next available promotion. It may not be perfect but it seems to work in this day and age. If the kid is then caught wandering around outside of the home when he is on a suspension the parents go to court for aiding truancy. Great system...punish the parents for their miserable parenting. Still not as good as paddling in our day; but better than nothing. Beach.

badboybob

Bullzeye the more I read your posts the more I like you and your parents. (from a 65 year old fart).

robsguns

beach, About the parents being at work. I'll open another can of worms now. I firmly believe that is exactly what the problem is with this country. BOTH PARENTS ARE WORKING. Its slowly taking its toll on our country. Couples have been driven to both work, even after the kids have been born. The children do not have 1 parent at home during the forming years, and the children are paying for it. Most of the problems with children these days could be alleviated if they had close parental supervision as was so common before we moved into the 'women in the work force era'. Not to imply that the woman should be the parent at home, one or the other should be though. That is my firm belief. If children had one of the parents at home, when its a 2 parent household, it would also create more jobs for those that work, the single parents, and the parents who arent at home with children, or those who dont have children, either single or married. I know it sounds kind of strange at first, but if you think about it, it makes sense. I first heard this from my very own mother, and as I tend to value her opinion, I began to think about what she said. She has a very good point. I also take a different stance on calling the parent at work. I would not stand for that. If the school puts my job at stake, now who is going to pay for it, in the long run, the entire family, the children included, when there isnt enough food on the table or gas in the car, or clothes on their backs. I would be looking for a lawyer if the school put my job at stake, when I'm busting my hump trying to provide the best I can for my child, as a single parent, or married.Bullzeye does have a valid point about having the children being taught at home, and it lends support to my theory also. If the children have someone at home teaching them right from wrong in the first place, they might not have had the problem. None of this makes any difference if we dont break the cycle of morons raising children. I firmly believe that there are a lot of adolescents(?) out there raising their children, and that is also the problem. Does the saying "The blind leading the blind" ring a bell?

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turbo

I don't remember the particulars but I thought.. a few years back a young american fellow getting his 20 lashes in Singapore for some kind of problem he got involved in.Thought he stole a car, while intoxicated.Garaunteed he won't care to visit that place again.Anyhow, hopefully that helped him mature a little.

CAndres35

I LIKE THI DISCUSSION BUT THINK WE ARE FORGETTING ALL THE GOOD KIDS OUT THERE. MORE OF THEM THAN BAD. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO A GOOD PADDELING WHEN NEEDED BUT DO DOUBT THE ADVISEABILITY OF LETTING A TEACHER DO IT IN THIS DAY And AGE. I THINK THE TEACHERS HAVE GIVEN UP ON COMUNICATIG WITH THE PARENTS BECAUSE SO LITTLE ACTION IS TAKEN AT HOME,WHERE THE DISCIPLNE NEEDS TO COME FROM. CARL

Bullzeye

badboybob:Thank you.Turbo:He got drunk and vandalized several cars with spraypaint and rocks. He got his caning alright. I wonder if he's re-offended....CAndres45:THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS LOCATED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE KEYBOARD, UNDER THE TAB KEY, ABOVE THE LEFT SHIFT KEY. TURN IT OFF!

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5db

When I said "Yes! Bring it back and line the sweeties up for a quick refresher!" I meant it! The age of "the Paddle" represents much more than swatting little pink butts. But rather all that went along with discipline during that age. Teachers 70-85% wanted to and had a desire to teach, plus they were supported from admin as well as from the home. Most parents expected and demanded that their kids go to school and be on their best behavior and learn what was being taught. Most of the kids knew this and acted accordingly. Today, the NEA and socialcrats have made Parenting something punishable by law, Teachers into Baby sitters and kids into tyrants. The kids know this and act accordingly. It's their right, just ask one. Swats from respected folks? a deterrent? You bet! Two men I highly regarded were my 6th grade teacher, a friend to my folks and 9th grade math teacher. Both let me know by the seat of my pants what form respect comes.Swats from teachers or administrators that did not have my respect still hurt the flesh, but did not have the same effect on my being.Bring back the BOE, get rid of the NEA, drop the tenureship of Teachers and give those Teachers that deserve it, a huge raise, force Parents to Parent (See robsgun for how that's done) . Heap much praise and special events on those kids that do well in school. And those kids that chose to refuse to follow the rules, refuse to apply themselves and don't respond to the above stimulation send them to a camp. Where they will be forced to learn social skills and forms of acceptable behavior. (again, see robsgun for this)

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Judge Dread

The educational system is still designed for the whip an paddle of 18 century,left brain dynamics,all they took out was the physical abuse but not the psycological one ....REMEMBER COLUMBINE .........Fast solution: Home Schooling , I have 2 Supercomputers at home, my son have his Own web Sites and Forums ,"Anime" and his videos are all over the world . He has become a windows "expert" a web-master and video-audio editor ,in a normalschool with all the Mickey Mouse Bla Bla andfalse controls it may amounted to nothing,maybe another drug or violence statistic. The bad issue is,you beat a kid,he becomes a kid beater, in the future,and that is verry dangerous,with IQ of 200+ ,he can become a BIN Laden ,an Idi Amin ,or a Clinton ! and end as his dog did.

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robsguns

JD, I hope you are teaching your kids to convey their thoughts better than you do, cause if not, he'll never be able to take over the world, his troops wont know what the heck he wants them to do.

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218Beekeep

Farout Dread,I dig what yer sayin... man!.218

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dh

I graduated in 1976 so that will gave evryone a time frame of my school years.We had paddles and they were used on a regular basis.Texas City has a large school district by the way.One shop teacher,Mr F,had a barbers strap and he knew how to use it.Mr. F also gave me a whooping with a pair of channel locks when he saw me put down a welding helmet on it's face.Our coaches and teachers didn't have to call for permission to give a paddling unless it was in a student's file to do so,and I had a good friend who had just that.I have seen Mr.F pick up 2 students by their shirt collars who were fighting and butt their heads together,a little harsh you might think,but certainly effective.By now some of you parents are thinking if some teacher did that to your kid you would be down there to that school in a flash.Mr.F owns a business in TC still today and I assure all of you that 80% of his former students still go by to say hi,and none of them regret any punishment they may have rec'd.As for my friend who dared any teacher to punish him,he came to work out here where I work and he lasted about 2 months,late,disrespectful,a no show,and when warned about missing work he would intentionally not show up the next day.A nd he had very little discipline at home,I spent many weekends at his house and none of the 6 kids had any discipline.Do I believe in the paddle,burn that butt up!A parent has a right to "almost" raise their kids as they see fit and that is perfectly fair.BUT,don't turn him/her loose on us because you lacked patience or the responsibilty of child rearing.Keep him at your house and let him burn down your house or steal from your home to get his/her spending money.TDC is full of them.

dakotashooter2

I can recall only two teachers who used a paddle. Neither, in what one would consider an abusive manor. You had to do something extremly out of line to get this punishment and it was never more than one swat,though in both cases it was one H**l of a swat. I don't think it made a lot of impact on the rough kids who were usually the recipients but it made a huge impact on the rest of us.

jet

They have replaced "wood" with "ritilen"

mudge

First grade in 1941. NEVER went to a school that used paddles. We were taught respect at HOME. My mother raised three boys from mid 1941, through the end of WWII cause my father was out playing submariner in the South Pacific. In 1941, My older brother was 9, I was 6 and younger brother was 4. At those ages were we capable of getting into trouble? NAHHH! To answer the question.....NO PADDLES. As you know, Mrs. Mudge is a teacher. She wouldn't hit a child unless her safety was threatened.You hit a child these days and you'd better be able to do one (or both) of the following:Defend yourself in court or with a gun, because, very shortly, a process server is going to show up with a subpeona or the kid will show up with a gun.Mudge the well behaved

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woodsrunner

I saw the paddle once when in shcool. I don't believe it did me any harm.Dad's belt got a bit of use too. Again I was better for it in the end.At the same time the neighbor kids got a piece of tire recap accross thier butts on a regular basis. Every one of them ended up being losers later in life.I think alot of it had to do with the attitude of the person giving the punishment. It hurt alot more to get punished by someone you respected than from someone you didn't. I'm all for limited corporal punishment. but if we're going to go that way, the people doing the punishing, better know the difference between, Commanding respect and demanding respect. WOODS